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How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)
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MarthFanatique
Smash Journeyman
Here's my question: I'm an original Peach mainer who seconds Shiek. I would like to make Fox my second secondary character. However, Sheik and Fox gameplay is rather similar in the base roots of playstyle. What real big aspect of gameplay/strategy/kill move strategy, etc. does Fox have that Sheik doesn't?
A ridiculously good bait and punish game, a much "faster" playstyle, an overall more useful and more situation-covering moveset (for an optimal style of play), and Usmash. It's not really easy to compare the two characters.
I usually hit 130 before I die, but it depends on matchup and skill of opponent.
MarthFanatique
Smash Journeyman
Okay what about any locks? Sheik is beast w/ ftilt lock; I'd like to know if Fox has a lock.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
Fox has an Utilt lock on most characters in the game. It lasts longer on characters with fast fall speeds (Other Spacies) and fatties (D3, Snake, DK, Ganon, etc.) Dair > Utilt is a good way to catch someone.
Conviction
Human Nature
It's not a lock a good player could perfect shield the utilt after the dair and easily DI out of the Utilt, and Marth and MK's Upb kills that string
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
lol which reminds me. Fighting marths has been easier for me =3 . I just cant handle ROBS. Any tips on this matchup since ive been reading....kind of helps but...need more info
Outcamp him, plain and simple. You can deal damage faster than he can, and ROB has much more difficulty once you shut down his camping/defensive game. After that, it's just a matter of good spacing and bait/punish. Don't get hit by Dtilt, DI out of Dsmash, watch out for Nair/Bair/Dair, and you should be okay. Don't try for gimps, except maybe weak Nair and Bair.
But really, just outcamp him and bait/punish.
But really, just outcamp him and bait/punish.
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
An other fox main friend of mine figured this out.
I don't know if this is known at all, but on certain characters you CAN have a TRUE combo from the shine.
Take bowser for example, at very low %s like 0-20% you can shine then instant dash attack, and it will be a true combo, i've tested in training mode.
this is still pretty useless since the dash attack cool down is long enough for them to counter attack,
BUT STILL.
I actually made a video on it, heres the link for those i havnt shown already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdF1lynzHE
*throws object at whoever said the shine can never combo into anything*
I don't know if this is known at all, but on certain characters you CAN have a TRUE combo from the shine.
Take bowser for example, at very low %s like 0-20% you can shine then instant dash attack, and it will be a true combo, i've tested in training mode.
this is still pretty useless since the dash attack cool down is long enough for them to counter attack,
BUT STILL.
I actually made a video on it, heres the link for those i havnt shown already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdF1lynzHE
*throws object at whoever said the shine can never combo into anything*
LuLLo
Smash Ace
Quick (and perhaps stupid, but I can't test it myself right now) question:
On the ROB boards I read that Fox can ''curve'' his up-B. I can't fully understand what they mean by this, since I've NEVER seen Firefox curve in any way. This is probably a n00b question.
On the ROB boards I read that Fox can ''curve'' his up-B. I can't fully understand what they mean by this, since I've NEVER seen Firefox curve in any way. This is probably a n00b question.
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
you can curve it slightly at a upward angle, there's a video of it in the archive thread.
LuLLo
Smash Ace
Okay, searched for it but didn't find it, thanks 
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
Please pardon my ignorance of Brawl's mechanics, but in what way is it "invincible"?
Basically, the grab has a number of frames where it'll go through any other moves. Combine this with negative frame advantage (if your attack is shielded, your opponent will be able to act before you) and the fact that the shine comes out on frame 3, and it's obvious the grab will go through the shine, if not simply come out before the shine does.
Think of it this way: Shine comes out on the same frame as Utilt. If you can't hit with an Utilt, you can't hit with a shine.
Think of it this way: Shine comes out on the same frame as Utilt. If you can't hit with an Utilt, you can't hit with a shine.
Beetle Juice
Smash Journeyman
Did you know...
that when Fox does a SH shine, hitting the C-stick down will get you on the ground faster then a FF due to the inputing a dair and being cancelled out.
just wondering if the Fox boards knew thats all...
that when Fox does a SH shine, hitting the C-stick down will get you on the ground faster then a FF due to the inputing a dair and being cancelled out.
just wondering if the Fox boards knew thats all...
SpookyGhost
Smash Cadet
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Is there a video of Fox doing a boost...anything?
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
im currently making a fox tech video and I believe I have boost pivot grabs and boost smash's.
but since mine isnt out yet, just look through the video archive or youtube it.
hey why is it that like some times when you are recovering with fire fox and you go against a wall you move away from it like
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i find that to do it you have to like hit up b then like imidiatly hit right or left like the illusion attack. it looks lind like you are getting hit away by a wind box attack if that helps
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i find that to do it you have to like hit up b then like imidiatly hit right or left like the illusion attack. it looks lind like you are getting hit away by a wind box attack if that helps
You can slightly curve the start of Fire Fox.
Fox089
Smash Rookie
What is the best way to get better with fox?
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
fight better people and learn the basics.
Fox doesnt have any killer tech or super combos, hes just extremely balanced and you just have to be a good player to be good at him.
Fox doesnt have any killer tech or super combos, hes just extremely balanced and you just have to be a good player to be good at him.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
With the exception of his fall speed which gets him ***** by The Pika.
*PALADIN*
Smash Apprentice
the way i got better with fox is playing online, but thats my way personally. if you want to get good with fox, just play CPUs or friends that are better than you. i got better by fighting overswarm, whos a really good meta. but just try to focus on getting all his moves down, especially foxs utilt, up smash, grabs, fairs, nairs, etc. also look out for combo videos on you tube! i could send you one of my fights to give a good example if you like!
Careful, observed practice. Getting better is a matter of playing a lot and being able to analyze your plays and realize what you're doing wrong. It could be something technical (you can't SHDL consistently, so you practice that) or something strategical (you always roll after X, you don't know all of your options for Y, you don't understand the matchup for Z).
It's like learning anything else. Practice, practice, practice.
Chris is me
Smash Apprentice
What are Fox's advantages over Falco / Wolf / Anyone? Why should I start using him?
GwJ
Smash Hero
Not such a fail recovery, higher combo potential.
I never did get these questions answered, they might need testing.
1. Despite being near impossible to do on a human, does the Ftilt lock work? With DI.
2. SH Fair + DJ Fair gives Fox some sort of superjump. I'm positive someone already discovered this. Why is this?
1. Despite being near impossible to do on a human, does the Ftilt lock work? With DI.
2. SH Fair + DJ Fair gives Fox some sort of superjump. I'm positive someone already discovered this. Why is this?
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
1. I've seen it done before in a fight so yes.
2. it's because the fair gives a slight upward momentum boost, so even if your fast falling using a fair will slow you down just a bit. And when used with upward momentum you already have it adds together to give a super jump.
Conviction
Human Nature
Even you dont make the ture combo from Nair to Usmash/Bair to Usmash it's a good frame trap right?
Also I think you can do a three hit kill combo. Nair>Shine>Usmash I almost got it down., well I at least I think it's possible. I just haven't learned to Shine> Usmash yet.
Also I think you can do a three hit kill combo. Nair>Shine>Usmash I almost got it down., well I at least I think it's possible. I just haven't learned to Shine> Usmash yet.
NeverKnowsBest
Monochrome Like A Panda
^Iblis, where have you been? You have been MIA for like 2 months!!!
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
the nair to up-smash even if they air dodge it you can just slide the up-smash and wait for them to get out and it will combo just fine, the bair to up-smash is a little harder to hit if it isnt true combo.
Conviction
Human Nature
Ok cool but what about the Nair>Shine>Usmash? Is that a true combo?