How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

Zhamy · Feb 16, 2009

Shine barely gets a knockback increase but at higher percentages it'll knock them down on the ground. I'm not crazy enough to do it on Sudden Death so I've never looked into how far it goes at that high.

Sorry, Kheldar's right. I forgot to mention this. The change you'll "notice" in shine knockback is nearly zero, so it effectively does not change. But after a threshold, it does indeed knock down.

SpookyGhost · Feb 16, 2009

Thanks guys.
Basically, it isn't a very viable move is it?
Better off just Bairing or something, right?

Zhamy · Feb 16, 2009

Better off just Bairing or something, right?

Depends. Bair is for horizontal kills. Shine is for vertical kills.

Hydra. · Feb 16, 2009

Bair is just lazor though right? hows that a kill or are you talking about u b?

SpookyGhost · Feb 16, 2009

Heh, thanks Zhamy, and Kheldar.

Also, by Bair I meant Back-Air, the backwards aerial.

KheldarVII · Feb 16, 2009

Off the edge you should be using N-air, you can try B-air I guess if you want to look stylish. There's also F-air gimps from lower positions but I don't try those.

Zhamy · Feb 16, 2009

Off the edge you should be using N-air, you can try B-air I guess if you want to look stylish.

I disagree here, Nair is usually good for weak-hit kills, but again, those are more vertical than horizontal. Bair has quite good knockback.

Hydra. · Feb 16, 2009

SpookyGhost said:
Heh, thanks Zhamy, and Kheldar.

Also, by Bair I meant Back-Air, the backwards aerial.

Omg. T.T HAHA what was I thinking?
Sorry I was really tired. xD

And I think, Bair off the ledge deffinatly.

SCOTU · Feb 18, 2009

I have confirmed frame data.

Shine hits on Frame 3, invulnerable frame 1-3, doesn't clash.

hdrevolution123 · Feb 18, 2009

SCOTU said:
I have confirmed frame data.

Shine hits on Frame 3, invulnerable frame 1-3, doesn't clash.

Exactly what I was expecting. I asked if it has invincibility frames and you've confirmed that there are invincibility frames. Thanks SCOTU

R.T.K.O. (Rob-Totes-Kush-Often) · Feb 18, 2009

Zhamy said:
I disagree here, Nair is usually good for weak-hit kills, but again, those are more vertical than horizontal. Bair has quite good knockback.

Make sure u time it right tho...

Start-up animation can be a b****

KheldarVII · Feb 18, 2009

R.T.K.O. (Rob-Totes-Kush-Often) said:
Make sure u time it right tho...

Start-up animation can be a b****

Startup? How about that ending lag...

SpookyGhost · Feb 20, 2009

Even if you had supertiming, would it be good to use the shine invincible frames?
I mean, doesn't the shine's attack knock them away with the invincible frames if timed superbly?

Conviction · Feb 21, 2009

Now that I know more about the shine I'm gonna try using that 1-3 frames on my advantage. I usually can see when I'm about to get hit.

GwJ · Feb 21, 2009

This would only be useful in the air, right? You would just be able to powershield if you were on the ground.

§witch · Feb 21, 2009

GwJumpman said:
This would only be useful in the air, right? You would just be able to powershield if you were on the ground.

Or y'know airdodge.

SpookyGhost · Feb 22, 2009

Okay, so basically, everything that was mentioned previously is now useless.
About the shine I mean...

Conviction · Feb 22, 2009

Yea unless some one spends the time to master the 1-3 frame timing, it stays the same normal shine we have. If it was longer like wolf's and have that set knockback like his then we would have something to work with.

smash brawl player 99021 · Feb 22, 2009

any guide for fox?
not to be to random...

Orrax · Feb 22, 2009

IcyDeath said:
any guide for fox?
not to be to random...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188497

With regards to the invulnerability on the shine, couldn't shine be used to disrupt stuff like Shiek's f-tilt lock? Or is the f-tilt lock a true combo? I thought it was only at higher percents, but I really don't know much about Shiek. =/

Also, would it be possible to perfect shield->shine through the mach tornado?

Conviction · Feb 22, 2009

The Mach tornado thing yes. But you're talking about be close to frame perfect after Power shield.

Orrax · Feb 22, 2009

xIblisx said:
The Mach tornado thing yes. But you're talking about be close to frame perfect after Power shield.

Ok, thank you. I just wanted to know if it was possible. =)

Uzima (Uzi) · Feb 24, 2009

Just a quick question here,
But i've been facing Pit a lot lately and have had a few times where when his arrow is close enough to me when i put on thereflector the arrow goes right through, i was wondering what these frame are called or what exactly is happening.
Cause it's not SA since the arow doest stop, and it's not the hight of fox since it goes right through his head.

GwJ · Feb 24, 2009

I'm pretty sure that if Fox is close enough that he would be touching the arrow while pit is charging it, then it would go through.

Uzima (Uzi) · Feb 24, 2009

naw not like that, fox can be a good distance away from pit and the arrow will go right through the reflector if timed right.

AvaricePanda · Feb 24, 2009

uzimakisensai said:
Just a quick question here,
But i've been facing Pit a lot lately and have had a few times where when his arrow is close enough to me when i put on thereflector the arrow goes right through, i was wondering what these frame are called or what exactly is happening.
Cause it's not SA since the arow doest stop, and it's not the hight of fox since it goes right through his head.

The early frames of shine have invincibility, if that's what you're talking about.

Uzima (Uzi) · Feb 24, 2009

AvaricePanda said:
The early frames of shine have invincibility, if that's what you're talking about.

if it was invincibility the arrow would hit fox and he wouldn't take damage, this has the arrow just going right through him as if he isn't there.

GwJ · Feb 24, 2009

Not true. Search Sonic's Usmash invincibility. Lasers go right through him. I realized my post was wrong, I forgot that they can go through with invincibility. SA is different from invincibility.

Uzima (Uzi) · Feb 25, 2009

GwJumpman said:
Not true. Search Sonic's Usmash invincibility. Lasers go right through him. I realized my post was wrong, I forgot that they can go through with invincibility. SA is different from invincibility.

O got ya, makes sence now

crifer · Feb 25, 2009

SO what do u guys think of shlc?
I think this makes fox very fast, unlike shdl,
shdl stops a lot of fos speed...

Uzima (Uzi) · Feb 25, 2009

I've been adding in the SHSL/SHLC alot lately and have been getting alot of good out of it. oyu can get alot of retreating lasers out of it, plus is just turns for around super fast, and ya might have a bit more accurace with the single laser over the 2 (usually in the same places) but hey it's all in how you use it. Also The chances of the odd standing laser are alot lower than with the double laser.
lol plus jumping around like a nut firing lasers off all the time just looks cool

soul ark · Feb 25, 2009

i want to make character match up threads for individual matchups but i dont want to supersede our current one i just want people to know that the metagame is always changing maybe i should work with the person doing the current one what do you guy's think.

Conviction · Mar 2, 2009

Pyro-planing, could we use that as an edgeguarding tech?

NeverKnowsBest · Mar 4, 2009

^ I have for quite a while and I don't really think it is too effective.

NeverKnowsBest · Mar 6, 2009

Did anyone know that you can dribble and banana pivot wave toss with Fox?

I was messing around with him today and started doing it with Diddy's bananas.

EDIT: If no one knows about this I will try to make video.

I'm also going to post this in the new AT thread just in case no one comes here lol =D

Exceladon City · Mar 6, 2009

Really now? I wish I would've known this when I was going against AvaricePanda's Diddy yesterday.

Diddyknight · Mar 11, 2009

Ive been lurking on the thread some time now. I dont get how Fox do well against Rob/D3....D3 has the range...Rob....Fair range and more aeriel priority. Any help on those two matchups?

LightAlchemist · Mar 14, 2009

I got a question.

Ive seen some Fox matches, and i noticed that Fox users use the Fair to rise while doing it, meaning they gain alot of height. Ive even seen some who were on the limit, use it to recover and miracously reach the platform. How can i do it?

A6M Zero · Mar 14, 2009

Just use your fair simultaneously as you jump.

LightAlchemist · Mar 14, 2009

Thanks Zero, ill try it.

Diddy, im not quite sure, but playing a friend who uses Dedede, i could only beat him with my Fox. I found it really easy to juggle him and interrupt his attacks.

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