How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[MegaMan087]

Ok, I've got some questions.

1) What is the proper way to cancel Fox's jab into a grab/other attack? I know it says crouch cancel, but should the crouch be buffered or do you wait until the animation is over. I can't get it consistent.

2) Is there a comprehensive stage guide for Fox out there? I searched and couldn't find one.

If I think of anymore I will post them.

 

[Zhamy]

1) What is the proper way to cancel Fox's jab into a grab/other attack? I know it says crouch cancel, but should the crouch be buffered or do you wait until the animation is over. I can't get it consistent.

Depends. The buffer time for it is kind of small, but your crouch should come out almost instantly. That is, as soon as jab connects, CC. Practice it.

2) Is there a comprehensive stage guide for Fox out there? I searched and couldn't find one.

No, and M@v's hasn't been updated in ages. Just don't play on Lylat Cruise.

 

[MegaMan087]

Depends. The buffer time for it is kind of small, but your crouch should come out almost instantly. That is, as soon as jab connects, CC. Practice it.

Thanks! I'll get on this.

No, and M@v's hasn't been updated in ages. Just don't play on Lylat Cruise.

So I guess it wouldn't hurt to make one. I hope no one minds me trying.

 

[Flynch]

What is a flame dash!? I only found 1 terrible video of it on youtube.. Can someone give me a link or explain it in detail?

 

[Sorgens]

What is a flame dash!? I only found 1 terrible video of it on youtube.. Can someone give me a link or explain it in detail?

I really don't know what flame dash is either. However, I hear that FLAMEDASH might be better.

 

[SCOTU]

a FLAMEDASH is, simply put, the dumbest forced meme ever.

 

[Flynch]

I see.. Well thanks I guess. I was expecting something crazy, it was so built up :/

 

[SnowballBob33]

Ok, I've got some questions.

1) What is the proper way to cancel Fox's jab into a grab/other attack? I know it says crouch cancel, but should the crouch be buffered or do you wait until the animation is over. I can't get it consistent.

You don't have to crouch, you can just wait a second or so and shield grab, it does the same thing. Its just as effective and you don't have to worry about accidently down tilting.

 

[Conviction]

Actually crouch cancelling is faster.

 

[SnowballBob33]

I'm not saying that it's faster, im just saying that it works just as well.

 

[KheldarVII]

I'm not saying that it's faster, im just saying that it works just as well.

....no, it's faster.

 

[Sino]

which stages should i ban playing against a fox and which stages should i choose against a fox?

 

[KheldarVII]

which stages should i ban playing against a fox and which stages should i choose against a fox?

As a neutral you should want to pick Yoshi's Island or Lylat Cruise. With counterpicks you could probably choose between Frigate, Delfino, Luigi's Mansion (depends who you are), or Jungle Japes.

And I mean don't ban those.

 

[Zhamy]

As a neutral you should want to pick Yoshi's Island or Lylat Cruise.

He means "ban" by "choose."

With counterpicks you could probably choose between Frigate, Delfino, Luigi's Mansion (depends who you are), or Jungle Japes.

Delfino is always good, Frigate depends on matchups, Mansion is heavily dependent on matchups, Japes is also very very dependent on matchup.

 

[Tim-Tim]

have you guys tried the dair > utilt > dthrow >fair?

(i'm just putting it out there...being a noob, but yeah)
i've seen it work on mario, wolf, link, captain falcon, and ZZS.

 

[Zhamy]

Won't work if your opponent DIs correctly.

 

[SnowballBob33]

true, but it works a lot. and once ppl's DI get predictable, u can punish it easily.

 

[Sino]

thx for the answers, and which stage much i ban against a fox?

 

[Zhamy]

Corneria. Low ceiling, wall infinite.

 

[hdrevolution123]

Two Questions

1) Does Fox's shine have any invincibility frames by any chance? Cos I tested it out and it seemed like it. Or is it because any projectile in reflected and any contact causes damage? Or is his down-B known to have invincibility frames?

2) My Fox is alright and I always utilize his SUPREME agility so I always run rings around my opponent and win. However I sometimes make mistakes which leads to harsh punishment so I can lose a stock so easily. My question here is why can Foxes get punished so easily and effectively regardless of how agile he is and how can I prevent getting punished after an attack or approach?

3) Can Fox's shine protect him from bombs and bob-ombs?

Thanks

 

[Zhamy]

1) Does Fox's shine have any invincibility frames by any chance? Cos I tested it out and it seemed like it. Or is it because any projectile in reflected and any contact causes damage? Or is his down-B known to have invincibility frames?

Shine has invincibility frames. No one knows how to abuse them yet.

2) My Fox is alright and I always utilize his SUPREME agility so I always run rings around my opponent and win. However I sometimes make mistakes which leads to harsh punishment so I can lose a stock so easily. My question here is why can Foxes get punished so easily and effectively regardless of how agile he is and how can I prevent getting punished after an attack or approach?

Because you're probably using unsafe and/or predictable approaches and getting womped for it.

 

[illinialex24]

Shine has invincibility frames. No one knows how to abuse them yet.

Yeah, unlike Wolf's who's invincibility frames on his counter are very easy to exploit.

 

[hdrevolution123]

Yeah, unlike Wolf's who's invincibility frames on his counter are very easy to exploit.

Off-topic- hehe nice sig Illinialex

On-topic- How can we exploit Fox's shine invincibility frames? If Marth perform his FS then would the shine protect Fox?

 

[Zhamy]

On-topic- How can we exploit Fox's shine invincibility frames? If Marth perform his FS then would the shine protect Fox?

1) Be a robot
2) Why does Marth's FS matter?

 

[hdrevolution123]

1) Be a robot
2) Why does Marth's FS matter?

Because when Marth does his FS it's instant so at that very moment we can see if Fox's shine will protect him

 

[Zhamy]

Because when Marth does his FS it's instant so at that very moment we can see if Fox's shine will protect him

No, it's not "instant."

 

[hdrevolution123]

No, it's not "instant."

Fast enough for us to test. We can test if Olimar's down-B has invincibility frames from this. Same with Charizard's up-B

 

[Zhamy]

Why not just use a 1 frame jab? Why would you bother with an FS?

 

[hdrevolution123]

Why not just use a 1 frame jab? Why would you bother with an FS?

How many 1 frame jabs are there? Fox's?

 

[Zhamy]

ZSS has a one frame jab.

 

[KheldarVII]

I do believe it's been tested that super armor can negate Marth's FS.

But why is this being asked?

 

[hdrevolution123]

I do believe it's been tested that super armor can negate Marth's FS.

But why is this being asked?

I wanted to reassure Fox's shine has invincibility frames or super armor. It can be useful in situations

 

[SnowballBob33]

it does have invincibility frames, but how would it be of any use on the ground. if u have the timing to use a shine to block a move, then u might as well just powershield it and have less lag.
question: can u shine to momentum cancel in any direction?

 

[hdrevolution123]

it does have invincibility frames, but how would it be of any use on the ground. if u have the timing to use a shine to block a move, then u might as well just powershield it and have less lag.
question: can u shine to momentum cancel in any direction?

What directions are you referring to? Whatever you are implying, it is possible to shine dash cancel therefore you can cancel momentum in any direction on the ground. It doesn't work as effectively in the air unless you haven't just depleted hitstun.

 

[KheldarVII]

it does have invincibility frames, but how would it be of any use on the ground. if u have the timing to use a shine to block a move, then u might as well just powershield it and have less lag.
question: can u shine to momentum cancel in any direction?

Not very well, just make sure you U-air first.

 

[SpookyGhost]

Is there even such thing as a shinespike anymore?

 

[GwJ]

There is, but at higher percents.

 

[SpookyGhost]

Around what percent would you even make the slightest attempt to use the Shine as an attack?

 

[Zhamy]

There is, but at higher percents.

No. Shine knockback is not dependent on percents. But you'll usually need to shine someone twice (offstage) before they'll die, assuming their recovery is semi-decent.

 

[KheldarVII]

Shine barely gets a knockback increase but at higher percentages it'll knock them down on the ground. I'm not crazy enough to do it on Sudden Death so I've never looked into how far it goes at that high.