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[Watkins]

Anyone got the list of characters you can dacus out of a grab release? Can't seem to find it, I just know Meta Knight and Wario atm.

 

[stealth3654]

Anyone got the list of characters you can dacus out of a grab release? Can't seem to find it, I just know Meta Knight and Wario atm.

Squirtle, Mario, Popo, Lucas, and in some cases GaW. I'm not sure about Pikachu.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I was just wondering: how ligit is it to ftilt > jab > ftilt > jab > repeat?

Ftilt gives us enough time to grab which is slower than a jab. Also, a jab gives us enough time to grab which is slower than ftilt. Since the ftilt knocks opponents upward and jab brings them back down, the combo can continue to higher %s than just ftilt. Would this actually work, or can opponents just DI out of it?

ehhhhhhhhh.... that is very iffy.
Jab has almost no hit stun. The reason why you can grab out of jab is because you can grab a shield (which they usually bring up). I did find not to long ago that you don't have to duck cancel before the f-tilt so it can be 3 attacks right after one another very quickly. Theoretically the f-tilt> jab> f-tilt can work. I just don't trust because I have been punished in the past for trying to do it.
I also believe that there are better options.

None the less... this has potential and if it works I would learn how to be frame perfect with the jab> f-tilt.

Anyone got the list of characters you can dacus out of a grab release? Can't seem to find it, I just know Meta Knight and Wario atm.

I want this list as well. <,<

:EDIT: The list make me sad. I was hoping for a longer one.....
Owell, being able to do it against MK is good enough.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

i wish i could Dacus D:

 

[Tristan_win]

i wish i could Dacus D:

trust me if I can learn it you can learn it. Just change your controls and practice for like 8 minutes everyday until you feel confident enough to not need to anymore

 

[East]

Anyone got the list of characters you can dacus out of a grab release? Can't seem to find it, I just know Meta Knight and Wario atm.

Taken from the German Smash Boards. Unfortunately I don't speak a lick of it, so don't expect to see it in English from me. I'm sure you can figure it out though

1.) Ground Release - der Gegner wird einfach losgelassen und landet vor dir, rutscht evt. ein wenig weg.
Alle Chars, die ...
a) während sie gegrabbt werden noch auf dem Boden stehen (und keine Sprungtaste drücken, kurz bevor sie freigelassen werden)
b) mit der Grab Attacke in dem Moment geschlagen werden, in dem sie freigelassen werden
... kommen immer per Ground Release frei.


2.) Air Release - der Gegner wird losgelassen und springt dabei in die Luft, die meisten Chars weit weg von dem Grabber.
Alle Chars, die ...
a) während sie gegrabbt werden nicht mehr auf dem Boden stehen
b) eine Sprungtaste drücken, bevor sie losgelassen werden
... kommen immer per Air Release frei.

Grab Releases können nicht DI'd werden.



Liste der Grab Release Combos:


Air Release -> Dash Grab:
Meta Knight, Lucas, Schiggy

Air Release -> Dacus (Dash Attack cancelled Up Smash):
Bowser**, Captain Falcon**, Falco**

Air Release -> Tipper Dacus:
Meta Knight (!), Mario, Lucas, Schiggy, Ice Climber, Pikachu, Donkey Kong**, Diddy Kong**, Link**, Ganondorf**, Pit**, King Dedede**, Glurak**, Ike**, Snake**, Sonic**.
Yoshi, G&W, Toon Link, Ness nur auf Halberd.

Air Release -> Triple Hit Dacus (man setzt zum Dacus ein wenig später an):
Meta Knight (!), Pikachu, Zero Suit Samus**

Air Release -> Tipper Up Smash:
Wario

Air Release -> Triple Hit Up Smash:
Wario

Air Release -> Needles:
Meta Knight (!), Pikachu

Air Release -> FTilt:
Wario

Air Release -> FAir:
Ness, G&W

Ground Release -> Dash Grab:
Lucas*, Ness*

Ground Release -> FTilt:
Lucas*, Ness*

Ground Release -> Dash Attack:
Sheik**

Now Everybody say "Thank you Germany".

I haven't verified anything on this list.

 

[Ochobobo]

Thank you Germany

Also Schiggy = Squirtle and Glurak = Charizard, for those who don't know. (I just had to go look it up, lol)

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Is Luigi's Mansion a good stage for Sheik overall?

I'm planning to enter a tourny tommorrow and I'm gonna use Sheik/Zelda.

 

[<π]

this stage just magnifies sheiks killing problem. you can ftilt people forever though...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

this stage just magnifies sheiks killing problem. you can ftilt people forever though...

Really?

What's the best stage against heavyer opponents then?

 

[<π]

honestly I have no clue... FD is a good pick since you can set the pacing really well agianst big characters without projectiles but it still has pretty standard kill zones. Battlefield is always a good sheik stages the plats work well for usmash and utilt and uair. try to stay away from really small stages if you are afraid of small mistakes leading to loss off stocks and larger stages because you percent advantage means so much less on stages like these.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

honestly I have no clue... FD is a good pick since you can set the pacing really well agianst big characters without projectiles but it still has pretty standard kill zones. Battlefield is always a good sheik stages the plats work well for usmash and utilt and uair. try to stay away from really small stages if you are afraid of small mistakes leading to loss off stocks and larger stages because you percent advantage means so much less on stages like these.

Ok. Well thanks for the advice!

 

[stealth3654]

I was just wondering: how ligit is it to ftilt > jab > ftilt > jab > repeat?

Ftilt gives us enough time to grab which is slower than a jab. Also, a jab gives us enough time to grab which is slower than ftilt. Since the ftilt knocks opponents upward and jab brings them back down, the combo can continue to higher %s than just ftilt. Would this actually work, or can opponents just DI out of it?

Does anyone know if this works or not???

 

[saviorslegacy]

*Translated*

1) Ground release - the enemy is simply released and lands in front of you, maybe a little slipping away.
All Chars the ...
a) while they are being grabbed on the ground (and no jump button, just before they are released)
b) with the grave attack at the moment are beaten, where they will be released
... Comment by Ground Release always free.


2) Air release - the opponent will be released and jumps into the air, most Chars far away from the grabber.
All Chars the ...
a) while they grabbed are no longer on the ground
b) a jump button, before they are released
... Comment by Air Release always free.

Grave releases can not be DI'd.



List of grave combos Release:


Air Release -> Dash grab:
Meta Knight, Lucas, Squirtle

Air Release -> Dacus (Dash Up Smash Attack canceled):
Bowser **, ** Captain Falcon, Falco **

Air Release -> Tipper Dacus:
Meta Knight (!), Mario, Lucas, Squirtle, Ice Climber, Pikachu, Donkey Kong **, ** Diddy Kong, Link **, Ganondorf **, ** Pit, King Dedede **, ** Charazard, Ike * *, ** Snake, Sonic **.
Yoshi, G & W, Toon Link, Ness on Halberd.

Air Release -> Triple Hit Dacus (Dacus is set to a little later):
Meta Knight (!), Pikachu, Zero Suit Samus **

Air Release -> Tipper Up Smash:
Wario

Air Release -> Triple Hit Up Smash:
Wario

Air Release -> Needles:
Meta Knight (!), Pikachu

Air Release -> FTilt:
Wario

Air Release -> Fair:
Ness, G & W

Ground Release -> Dash grab:
* Lucas, Ness *

Ground Release -> FTilt:
* Lucas, Ness *

Ground Release -> Dash Attack:
Sheik **





I am 2/3 Germans. <,<
IDK what is with this triple hit crap....

:EDIT: So no one else gets angry I do not know the whole language... just very little.
:EDIT: Now that I think about it people might want to mention the 2/3's part. Well here goes:
Grandpa= 1/4 and I have German on my dads side of the family. IDK how much but I was told that I am 2/3's German, 1/5 Cherokee and the rest IDK.

Back on to the translated part....
I'm glad we have a full list of grab release!!!!! I have been wanting this for a while now!

 

[Zankoku]

Dude, you ran that **** through a translator and you know it.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Dude, you ran that **** through a translator and you know it.

I do know that, but I am German. (I never claimed I knew the language.) My Grandpa is the only one who knows the full language. I just know like some of the basic words (about 50). He came over here before WW2.

I had to Google to get half of the names though....

 

[Tristan_win]

this stage just magnifies sheiks killing problem. you can ftilt people forever though...

Luigi Manson is like one of sheik strongest counter pick especially against characters who don't have range attacks that can deal with chain camping and even if they destroy the house the field is large enough so sheik can use her speed to her advantage. Also sheik doesn't having killing problems on that stage since because of the pillers you can decay your ftilt as much as you want, when you want.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Luigi Manson is like one of sheik strongest counter pick especially against characters who don't have range attacks that can deal with chain camping and even if they destroy the house the field is large enough so sheik can use her speed to her advantage. Also sheik doesn't having killing problems on that stage since because of the pillers you can decay your ftilt as much as you want, when you want.

On top of that you can Saltus here on almost every character.
-credit goes to Tristan

You can also tech chase with u-tilt.

 

[<π]

what are the kill percents for usmash on luigi's? You know, if the second level isn't up.

 

[saviorslegacy]

what are the kill percents for usmash on luigi's? You know, if the second level isn't up.

Since Luigi is barely lighter than Mario I would have to say 90%.

 

[Frolossus]

wasnt mansion banned?

 

[saviorslegacy]

wasnt mansion banned?

IDK




****!!!!! Snake and Yoshi has a grab release CG on us. T-T

 

[stealth3654]

****!!!!! Snake and Yoshi has a grab release CG on us. T-T

Link please.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Link please.

I didn't read on it. I just tested it because I noticed how low Sheiks grab release is.
Luckily.. we are tall enough that we don't get CG'd by a lot of people. The Snake one scares me though since he is top tier. T-T

If you don't believe me you can power up the Wii and test it yourself.

 

[Tristan_win]

sheik stuff.

Baka, don't say stupid **** that can hurt us!

 

[stealth3654]

Can someone PLEASE tell me how well this works:

I was just wondering: how ligit is it to ftilt > jab > ftilt > jab > repeat?

Ftilt gives us enough time to grab which is slower than a jab. Also, a jab gives us enough time to grab which is slower than ftilt. Since the ftilt knocks opponents upward and jab brings them back down, the combo can continue to higher %s than just ftilt. Would this actually work, or can opponents just DI out of it?

 

[saviorslegacy]

Baka, don't say stupid **** that can hurt us!

What does Baka mean?
Sorry.. it's good to know so we can watch out for it. Besides... I mine will help us out. lol

Can someone PLEASE tell me how well this works:

I already did.
*look back

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Luigi Manson is like one of sheik strongest counter pick especially against characters who don't have range attacks that can deal with chain camping and even if they destroy the house the field is large enough so sheik can use her speed to her advantage. Also sheik doesn't having killing problems on that stage since because of the pillers you can decay your ftilt as much as you want, when you want.

Thanks for that info. That helps. :D

wasnt mansion banned?

No. Not at the tourny I went to.

Also, I went there and used Sheik/Zelda and lost first match to a MK player. Oh well.

 

[Judo777]

Hey guys im not near organized enough to do this but i thought the idea was worth putting out. Light had a sheik edgeguarding game thread and i thought it might be a good idea to make a thread describing how sheik should go about trying to gimp each individual character or in some cases not try to gimp certain characters (maybe G&W or Meta). It wouldnt take too long to get through each character. Idk just a thought.

 

[SinkingHigher]

Sounds good to me.

It might be covered in the match up thread already though. Perhaps we could just add a "How to Gimp" section under each match up detail.

I wouldn't mind doing it but I won't be here much longer.

 

[thexsunrosered]

do any of you know where to get the spiderman texture? I saw it the other day on AiB and I can't find it anywhere =/

 

[JigglyZelda003]

i thought i saw it on meowmix, have you tried there?

 

[saviorslegacy]

do any of you know where to get the spiderman texture? I saw it the other day on AiB and I can't find it anywhere =/

This belongs in workshop.

 

[East]

Random Discussion Question: What are sheik's strengths and weaknesses?

 

[Zankoku]

Sheik is fast and her attacks follow up into each other well. She can punish many, many openings that most characters without such a degree of speed and mobility cannot. For the most part, she can also keep herself safe from punishment if played carefully.

However, her normal moveset has no disjoints, and her attacks that do aren't usable offensively (needles, chain). She's relatively light, making her easy to KO, and her fall-speed makes her susceptible to several combos, including her very own tilt lock. With the exception of usmash and the possible lead-in from ftilt, she has trouble getting a straight KO, especially against the higher tier characters which are either heavy and sport far-reaching recovery (Snake, Dedede) or very dangerous to edgeguard (Meta Knight).

 

[SuSa]

Snake has a grab release on you guys. We've known about it for a relatively short time.

Fun part is being that it's about as hard to time as your DACUS, otherwise we get jabbed.

However I do think we can dash attack/dacus you. Not 100% sure. I need to go re-check my grab release thread.

(we can also grab release CG a few other characters)

EDIT:
Linky to thread. we can only grab release you

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236239

 

[mountain_tiger]

I have a small question regarding Sheik's needles. If you get hit by six of her needles, does that count as one move in the Stale Move Queue, or six? Because it's be pretty sweet if it coutned for six...

 

[Tristan_win]

I have a small question regarding Sheik's needles. If you get hit by six of her needles, does that count as one move in the Stale Move Queue, or six? Because it's be pretty sweet if it coutned for six...

It counts for only one.

 

[stealth3654]

I was wondering, since an aerial chain stops horizontal momentum, could you use it to stop your momentum when hit (ex: get hit by a smash > fair to exit tumble animation > chain to stop horizontal movement)?

 

[-Mars-]

I have a question......so i've recently decided to pick up a secondary to my Sheik/Zelda. I've narrowed it down to either Marth or DK. Which one do you guys think covers Sheiks matchups better?

Marth does very well vs. G&W, Falco, ROB, and Lucario

DK does very well vs. MK and Snake.