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well i mean it's shield pressure, of course it has some holes lol there's no perfect or safe shield pressure in this game. technically speaking, shine OOS beats almost anything - but it's not feasible to do so on reaction.
also lovage i know you feel as though this argument has been worthless, but it provided me with a lot of entertainment so THANKS BRO
Perhaps for the direct counterattacks, but this variation of the double shine can be beaten by various standard escape options such as rolling backwards and spotdodging, waiting, grabbing, and wavedashing. Grounded double shine does better against all of these than the variation Westballz displayed in those videos.Leffen what about trying to bait punishes by using this shield pressure? I'm wondering if you can get your opponent to see this and try to punish you for being imperfect and then switch on them and punish them for trying to do so. Is that at all viable? Still kind of sounds like a gimmick but I'm curious.
I seem to have forgotten the fundamentals, I would enjoy this conversation deeply.dude you are ****ing GGRRRRROOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
this discussion really ****ing sucks too.
we should talk about camping platforms instead.
Well it is fox...this thread ***** so hard
BAKA!Doing the second shine airbourne means you can jump out in 1 frame instead of 6. Assuming that it takes 1 extra frame to land (haven't checked this but it seems reasonable), that means that you have 11 frames between of total lag after the second shine. Note that this is 5 frames faster than if you did a grounded doubleshine and wavedashed in place.
I think falco's shine has 5 frames of shield stun? 11-5=6, not enough time to grab.
I might be off by a frame or 2 in the timing of the waveland. If so, there is at most a 1 frame window to grab.
Point being, there are valid options for beating this, but shield grabbing after the waveland is (probably) not one of them.
Did you know, you can do a frame perfect double shine and jump before you land on the ground allowing you to actually be faster than non-perfect double shines? So, yes, perfect double shine is better in every single wayAnd if you do an aerial shine then that one particular option (wd down) becomes stronger. Different options have different strengths. Is this news to anyone?
When do you see fit to double shine? You yourself. I can't implement it properly.im sure there are a lot of people who can use double shine reliably lol. theres a lot more going on in melee than whats in videos.
True that. Frootloop legit quad-shine-grab shield pressured me last time we played and i quit the game on the spot.im sure there are a lot of people who can use double shine reliably lol. theres a lot more going on in melee than whats in videos.
basically what kk said. i feel that a lot of the time triple shine is better for pushing them off the ledge when theyre in shield, mainly cuz a lot of the time 2 shines is too fast and they dont do anything to leave their shield quite yet (unless theyre like right against the ledge, then 2s fine) this is how i feel about multiple shines in shield pressure as well, although ive fallen out of the habit of using multishines in pressure.When do you see fit to double shine? You yourself. I can't implement it properly.![]()
i think you can, so long as fox has a good amount of shield left. there are also other variables tho, like shield DI and where hes pointing his shield. so i guess it depends.I just read that whole argument.
About spacing falco's shine on fox's shield:
Fox's shine hitbox is bigger than falco's. You can't outspace fox's shine with his. You have to completely jump out of the way.
If you don't think you can do triple shines, you can just alter the timing on your double shine pressure.Thanks KK and SW. Appreciate it.
And I don't think I can pull off a triple shine. Well, never tried I guess.
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LMFAO wrong looks like no one knows anything about melee these daysI just read that whole argument.
About spacing falco's shine on fox's shield:
Fox's shine hitbox is bigger than falco's. You can't outspace fox's shine with his. You have to completely jump out of the way.
I had this exact issue. Then he quit playing. Now I have 1 other person(well 2 because his friend plays a bit, low tiers only) But he mains Doc. So my spacie practice is whatever I can get at tournaments.Understandable. I'll work on this, just have to practice! Practice! Practice!
I just wish I had more people to play than just one. And he only plays Falcon. Bout the only experience I get other than me just practicing technical stuff by myself. lol
dude at least explain yourselfLMFAO wrong looks like no one knows anything about melee these days
lol. Keep dreaminLMFAO wrong looks like no one knows anything about melee these days