Edgeguarding Falco is, I think, my weakest point. How do I ledgeguard him? Too often do they come back with side-B and I know not what to do, unless he does it right above/in me where I can smash him out.
Also, what if Falco is in front of me like in
0:49, WHAT DO. I never know which option to cover and how to cover it best.
EDGEGUARDING FALCO (& FOX)
ok, the first thing to keep in mind is that nothing is hard and fast. So always watch your opponent's habits and if you see them ALWAYS up-B'ing high, then start going out there and shining or bairing them out of it. If you see them ALWAYS side-B'ing as early as possible then stop going out there, and just stay on the stage and utilt, ftilt, or dsmash (if they go to the ledge)
Speaking very generally there are only 3 recoveries you need to watch out for: side-B, up-B high, and up-B low (i.e. up-B to sweetspot the ledge). Side-B is the quickest way to get back, so it's worth watching out for first - and even if they don't side-B (and up-B instead) you can often still prepare yourself to cover one of the up-B choices. You can edgeguard side-B by standing at the ledge and doing utilt (into bair, or shine, or uair at kill %s), ftilt, or dsmash. You can also shine stall between them and the ledge and jump out with a nair or bair when you see them side-B.
If you tried to cover their side-B and you see them up-B instead, you generally have enough time to try to cover one of two (or both, sometimes) up-B options. You can either grab the ledge and bair, or just grab the ledge to edgehog (like zgetto does in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlWR1UtAGk#t=2m34s). In the situation you linked to, it would've been best to just grab the ledge and bair (or just edgehog by pushing forward towards the stage) and then you could possibly still cover the high option by catching him on the way down with a bair, dsmash, or fsmash.
OR, after you hit him with uthrow bair, you could've noticed that he was far enough off the stage such that he would have had to use either side-B or up-B to recover and you could have just gone out there to shine spike him.
So we were having a discussion on the Ganon boards and found that a few are better at ledgedashing on the right hand side of the stage than on the left hand side. Is this the same for Fox players, or is it Ganon specific?
I think that's actually fairly universal - both me and Otto have an easier time hitting perfect ledgedashes on the right side. I'm pretty sure it's just because of how the human hand works. Notice that when you try to spin a control stick in circles (a la Mario Party 1) it's way easier to go clockwise than it is to go counter-clockwise? The thumb just has a more natural time rotating in that direction for whatever reason. And I think there's carryover into the ledgedash motion.
Legit Fox related question, any tips to upthrow into a shine as the fall. I upthrow and I always try to waveshine as they land.. but I also mess up the wavedash after the shine, anytips?
Yeah, make a very conscious effort to separate the shine from the wavedash. If you're getting stuck in your shine, you're moving the stick away from down (and thus turning around in your shine, preventing you from jumping out) before you input your jump. Make sure you input jump for the wavedash, THEN move the stick. It might help you to return the stick to neutral between the shine and the wavedash.
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