Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Ixninjax]

You could jump cancel your shine into a grab.

 

[TresChikon]

You could jump cancel your shine into a grab.

D'oh! Why didn't I think of that? Thanks!

 

[PK Webb]

What the timing for a JC grab because half the time i try 1 fox does a jumping up air. Can any1 help me out

 

[EC_Joey]

What the timing for a JC grab because half the time i try 1 fox does a jumping up air. Can any1 help me out

It sounds like you're not doing the grab with Z. My guess is you're jumping with the control stick and grabbing with L/R and A. I always do JC grabs with Y and Z, by pushing Y with my thumb right before Z with my index finger.

 

[PK Webb]

It sounds like you're not doing the grab with Z. My guess is you're jumping with the control stick and grabbing with L/R and A. I always do JC grabs with Y and Z, by pushing Y with my thumb right before Z with my index finger.

I usually use up on the control stick and z to grab but i might try the y button but that just feels wrong lol

 

[TresChikon]

What the timing for a JC grab because half the time i try 1 fox does a jumping up air. Can any1 help me out

Grab at or before 4 frames of the jump. Fifth frame he leaves the floor and you do U-air instead.

 

[megatronprime92]

Can someone give me tips on how to waveshine? I can wavedash and do the shine, but while you're holding B and the control stick, how can you press X and then R to wavedash?

 

[PCHU]

Can someone give me tips on how to waveshine? I can wavedash and do the shine, but while you're holding B and the control stick, how can you press X and then R to wavedash?

You can let go of B, you know.

To waveshine, I slide from B to X and press L.
But you have to do it all quickly.
It shouldn't be too hard with a bit of practice.

 

[TresChikon]

Can someone give me tips on how to waveshine? I can wavedash and do the shine, but while you're holding B and the control stick, how can you press X and then R to wavedash?

Start off slow, you can cancel the shine anytime.

You can slide it over to wavedash, but that could prevent your from reverse waveshining in the future. So reset the position after shining then move over to wavedash.

Anyways...

I was playing a friendly with Peach a found another reason why C-sticking is bad!!

I couldn't c-stick aerial while holding the beam sword i pilfered from her >.<

yea yeai kno wat ur supposed to do with a beam sword

"the best thing to do with a beam sword is throw it at them because holding it takes away your grab bla bla blah balabkfsdl"

 

[megatronprime92]

How do you foxtrot, what are the advantages, and is it really faster than normal dashing?

 

[CanISmash]

Start off slow, you can cancel the shine anytime.

You can slide it over to wavedash, but that could prevent your from reverse waveshining in the future. So reset the position after shining then move over to wavedash.

Anyways...

I was playing a friendly with Peach a found another reason why C-sticking is bad!!

I couldn't c-stick aerial while holding the beam sword i pilfered from her >.<

yea yeai kno wat ur supposed to do with a beam sword

"the best thing to do with a beam sword is throw it at them because holding it takes away your grab bla bla blah balabkfsdl"

na im going to go with ur a dum (in the nices way possible). you found another reason? whats the first reason.... c-stick has everything the a button can do but better. the only instance is the time u just described that i didn't even know. so now in the case that you have an item in ur hand during a tourney, despite being like 1/70 from peach. then you catch the item. then you decide you want to aerial instead of throw, that means you press the a button.

 

[TresChikon]

na im going to go with ur a dum (in the nices way possible). you found another reason? whats the first reason.... c-stick has everything the a button can do but better. the only instance is the time u just described that i didn't even know. so now in the case that you have an item in ur hand during a tourney, despite being like 1/70 from peach. then you catch the item. then you decide you want to aerial instead of throw, that means you press the a button.

I know c-stick gives the same benefits of the button.

I'm just putting out a lame reason on why it's bad, okay?

I was just trying to be humorous, sorry i'm such a deadbeat, gee.

 

[brawlpro]

How do you foxtrot, what are the advantages, and is it really faster than normal dashing?

uh listen to treschikon's post after mine.

na im going to go with ur a dum (in the nices way possible). you found another reason? whats the first reason.... c-stick has everything the a button can do but better. the only instance is the time u just described that i didn't even know. so now in the case that you have an item in ur hand during a tourney, despite being like 1/70 from peach. then you catch the item. then you decide you want to aerial instead of throw, that means you press the a button.

 

[TresChikon]

How do you foxtrot, what are the advantages, and is it really faster than normal dashing?

Foxtrotting is a method in which you dash forward to initiate the initial animation repeatedly and cyclically. The initial animation is faster than normal dashing and is a faster method to travel across surfaces.

Technically, in terms of speed, the process of "initiating the dash animation-->perfect wavedash-> re initiating the dash animation -> repeat" produces the most distance in a certain amount of time. This method can cover Battlefield in 3 Fox wavedashes and can vocer Final Destination in 4 Fox wavedashes.

Foxtrotting, comes second in speed, but has other purposes as well. Foxtrotting can serve to obscure your movement and is more unorthodox than dashing straight across the stage.

For example a regular dash towards a Marth would be risky as he could easily time a tipped F-Smash.

Spoiler

Now I'm not saying it's a bad idea, because then this goes to a whole new thinking where he would expect obscure movements of wavelanding, pulse walking, running into shield then wavedash OoS. Meaning you could then just directly run up to him and throw out an attack. This would counter his anticipation of something he would consider "unorthodox," and throw him off. (I've had many Marth's simply run past me and F-Smash me from behind.) Odd, but effective sometimes since noone expects it. However, that's a story for a different day.

So instead of just running up to a Smash happy Marth, Foxtrotting towards him then dash dancing right in front of him can make him panic and F-Smash the air. Although, nowadays, Marths are very unlikely to spam F-Smashes at the lag-punishing Foxes.

Foxtrotting basically just falls into the category of wavelands, dash dancing, pulse walking, and empty shorthops. They don't do anything to improve your combos per se like waveshining and SHFFLing does, but gives you variation in your approaches in your play style to create or exploit openings in your opponent's defense.

EDIT: Wavelands can chain combos, my mistake. But i was referring to an empty shorthop to waveland backwards or forward.

 

[megatronprime92]

Whenever I short hop with fox, my opponent always does a neutral ground attack right when I jump and follows with a combo. How does one know the best time to attempt a shffl so you don't end up dying?

 

[L__]

I know c-stick gives the same benefits of the button.

I'm just putting out a lame reason on why it's bad, okay?

I was just trying to be humorous, sorry i'm such a deadbeat, gee.

No.

C-stick allows better control over your character while you perform your aerials.

Whenever I short hop with fox, my opponent always does a neutral ground attack right when I jump and follows with a combo. How does one know the best time to attempt a shffl so you don't end up dying?

neutral ground attack?

...

Okay, about the SHFFL thing, you just need to play more. Over time you'll gain the wisdom to know how/when to bait people with empty shorthops, or using DD to bring up their shield, etc.

 

[EC_Joey]

Whenever I short hop with fox, my opponent always does a neutral ground attack right when I jump and follows with a combo. How does one know the best time to attempt a shffl so you don't end up dying?

What's your opponent's character? What's this "neutral ground attack"? A jab? What do you do during the short hop? Nair?

 

[megatronprime92]

What's your opponent's character? What's this "neutral ground attack"? A jab? What do you do during the short hop? Nair?

I'm referring to all characters, since I play the CPU randomly. Yes, I mean a jab. Yes, I mean the Nair. I dash towards them, short hop, and get punched in the face...

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i assume you are playing lvl 9's and they just jab you out of everything.

 

[megatronprime92]

i assume you are playing lvl 9's and they just jab you out of everything.

Yeah. What should I do about that? I can't set up really good combos.

 

[Meneks]

Play lvl 1's, increase your tech skill and play your friends.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yeah dont play level 9's they dont help you at all.

 

[megatronprime92]

When I watch some Fox videos, I see that Fox knocks the opponent far off the edge, and edge hogs. Then, when the opponent looks like he'll be able to make it to the stage, Fox jumps straight up off the edge and does a Bair. I know you jump up by pressing down off the edge and jumping up, but when I do the Bair, I can never keep from dying. I just fall and Fire fox doesn't make it back. Am I missing something?

 

[thumbswayup]

DI back onto the stage, so use c-stick for the aerial and hold the control stick in the opposite direction while you jump. You'll bair WHILE jumping BACK ONTO the stage. The timing isn't very hard, just tricky. Practice it and soonyou'll get the hang of it.

But if you're referring to when they bair far off the stage because it wouldn't hit anyway, then that's even easier. Just bair AS SOON as you use your jump. Drop off the ledge and immediately jump backwards and bair at the same time. Then mash up b and you'll make it back with no trouble.

 

[EC_Joey]

DI back onto the stage, so use c-stick for the aerial and hold the control stick in the opposite direction while you jump. You'll bair WHILE jumping BACK ONTO the stage. The timing isn't very hard, just tricky. Practice it and soonyou'll get the hang of it.

But if you're referring to when they bair far off the stage because it wouldn't hit anyway, then that's even easier. Just bair AS SOON as you use your jump. Drop off the ledge and immediately jump backwards and bair at the same time. Then mash up b and you'll make it back with no trouble.

In summary: Down on control stick > Up on control stick > c-stick away from stage > control stick towards stage.

 

[TresChikon]

No.

C-stick allows better control over your character while you perform your aerials.

Gosh, the next time I want to be funny I'll just keep my mouth shut.

 

[RaynEX]

If you think you might die from an edge-hop just up+b sooner. : /

You can also edge-hop with down+X or Y (then hold forward on the control stick to land on the stage while bairing with the cstick).

 

[Miggz]

yeah dont play level 9's they dont help you at all.

We need to preach this on so many levels...its unreal. lol

 

[Meneks]

Okay if your just now picking up the game like RIGHT NOW...
Playing level 9s isnt that bad of an idea but if your playing this game going on for like a year and a half lvl 9s will not help you at all. back in mid 07 when i picked up the game i played level 9s so i could get better and play my friends who were better then me.. Yeah that helped me a bit it helped me get a better understanding of the game and allowed me to practice wavedashing(note this is when i FIRST started) ingame and stuff like that. After a while level 9s got insanely easy to play against and i wasn't really learning much from practicing with them. Once you reach this point playing lvl 9s can mess up your mindset and can change how you play against people in a bad way. After i realized that, I began to play level 1s which didn't really change the way i played people other then the fact that it helped me to increase techskill.

So basically if your new to the game, just learned L canceling and wavedashing playing lvl 9s for a little while can be good, but eventually you won't learn anything so in order to maintain what you learned from playing REAL people, playing lvl 1s is your best bet since they don't do anything so you won't lose anything.

 

[x After Dawn x]

Yeah, one example of this could be how lvl 9s always punish you if you tech into them, so then you get used to always teching away, and then you become predictable vs human opponents.

 

[TresChikon]

Lv 9 Fox taught me how to D-throw upsmash

 

[knightpraetor]

heh, lvl 9s; those were the good ol' days. I particularly remember that at one point I could only beat lvl 9s using a strategy designed to punish their bad habits..but nowadays level 9s are too weak to even watch the screen while playing. I seriously doubt that veteran players will develop bad habits while playing against a lvl 9..i can pretty much spam any tech skill i wish and kill them...

However, i play lvl 1s; after all, it's pointless to turn on the system for 10min intending to practice tech skill when the comp keeps jabbing you out of some of your moves, or keeps running at you and interfering so you have to hit him away.

 

[TresChikon]

I had to spam Roy's F-smash to hell to win all star mode, I wanted the trophies so badly.

Lv 9s are tough stuff with their jabs and precise grabs. They grabbed me in the middle of Marth's F-smash, with Ness!

 

[Miggz]

From what I remember, lvl 9 Marth uses jabs like a pro. =P

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

From what I remember, lvl 9 Marth uses jabs like a pro. =P

and then grabs from a mile away. i think marth is the 2nd best lvl 9 computer.

 

[RaynEX]

Try setting a cpu lvl 9 Marth on FD with no items. Pick Fox or Falco. Start from one side of the stage and run directly at him. Before you reach him, dash attack early and try to space the hit so that it connects around Fox's knee. If you space it too much (the tip of his foot), this trick won't work.

Marth should grab you clean out of your dash attack even while your hitbox is already active. Its one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Oh, and he immediately bthrows you too. So its like grab throw in a split second out of your active move. Looks sooo funny.

 

[unknown522]

Try setting a cpu lvl 9 Marth on FD with no items. Pick Fox or Falco. Start from one side of the stage and run directly at him. Before you reach him, dash attack early and try to space the hit so that it connects around Fox's knee. If you space it too much (the tip of his foot), this trick won't work.

Marth should grab you clean out of your dash attack even while your hitbox is already active. Its one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Oh, and he immediately bthrows you too. So its like grab throw in a split second out of your active move. Looks sooo funny.

LOL marth. Jiggs and sheik can do it really easily too.

where are you btw?

 

[TresChikon]

and then grabs from a mile away. i think marth is the 2nd best lvl 9 computer.

Ganon is the tuffest in town. Up+B. HAH!

 

[Milos]

LOL lvl 9 ganon is the hardest **** to beat

those jabs are WAY too goot

 

[RaynEX]

Its all about lvl 7 DK. No lie.