Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[RaynEX]

^ that's if they don't SDI the drill though right?

If they SDI the dair, the last hit (which is the hit which stuns your opponent slightly) won't connect. SDI the dair gets you out of drillshines/drill grabs and is extremely useful at high levels. But unless they SDI, its a true combo.

Walk towards the edge -> momentum -> turnaround just before you fall of the edge

^ What he said. Get your character to walk full speed in the direction of the ledge; then use that momentum to carry yourself off. Turn around once you get to the edge and momentum you had from full speed walking will make you slide and fall off the stage, like I.B. said.

 

[Binx]

If notice people SDIing out of the drill, do you just insert more nairs in their place? I usually just do a second drill

which catches them offguard, without a shine its not always easy to see coming.

 

[chize]

thanx raynex. if thats the case, would it be possible to do sort of a pseudo chain grab against characters like ganon, link, etc. via upthrow>sh or fh dair>grab>upthrow>repeat? or maybe even upthrow>dair>waveshine>grab>upthrow>repeat? i was trying it out on the computer not considering sdi or anything but im just trying to be creative and innovate some combo ideas with dair.

EDIT: nevermind i just realized they could do something before you dair

 

[Da Shuffla]

how do i beat pc's fox? lol

Break his thumbs.

 

[SpaceFalcon]

^^That's so disturbing^^

 

[Binx]

how do i beat pc's fox? lol

Break his thumbs.

He'd just beat you with his feet, I think the answer is to temporarily blind him.

 

[Da Shuffla]

Then he would just 4-stock me on his last life when he gets his sight back. Lol.

 

[Binx]

Well, its settled then, PC can't be beaten.

By anyone ever, and any video proof you may or may not have is fake.

 

[Binx]

also odds are good you wouldn't hit with the entire dair

 

[halcyon.days]

Well, its settled then, PC can't be beaten.

By anyone ever, and any video proof you may or may not have is fake.

Unplug his controller.

Or do something like this: (except to him)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YNlRb0jutlw&feature=channel_page

 

[X- Sylar -X]

needz moar help with pc dropping. Read the advice while practicing.... and havent been able to do a single one in 20 mins.... and so i post........

Ne more tips besides walk off and turn around, or is that really just it...?

 

[Da Shuffla]

Sylar? Nice. Do you mean the PC walkoff? I've only done it once. That's enough for me to want to do it again. It looks way too good.

 

[EWC]

It's cool to do PC drop->bair off of platforms.

 

[P.c. Chris]

Break his thumbs.

i broke my thumb on my right hand terribly when i was like 15/16 when i used to skateboard all the time. It was bent all the way to my wrist . haha i started playing melee soon after that my thumb gets so sore after tournaments so don't fux with my thumbs

also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D69v30mgrI&feature=channel_page
my fox is getting less rusty (combo at the end). Don't judge that sheik he's usually really good (consistently gets my fox down to 1 stock usually) it was his first match of the day on my favorite stage vs sheik
I'm back baby

 

[soap]

that mental picture is grossin me out

 

[Da Shuffla]

*Cringes* That sounds nasty. Great to have you back.

 

[ArcNatural]

It's cool to do PC drop->bair off of platforms.

Isn't this the same as Isai dropping except he fastfalls too? He does it both ways, isai dropping and l-canceling to double tap down aerial l-canceling again.

The only thing I thought that PC did was he was really good at dropping off the platform and nairing/bairing really quickly. I can barely get the attacks out before I hit the ground if I fastfall it.

 

[ArcNatural]

PC when are you going to come to Boston (or just Mass Madness) and continue to beat me by 1 stock in friendlies with Falcon for 15 minutes straight. Even if I get you off the edge with Marth and fsmash with you 3 times at like 100%.

 

[EWC]

Isn't this the same as Isai dropping except he fastfalls too? He does it both ways, isai dropping and l-canceling to double tap down aerial l-canceling again.

The only thing I thought that PC did was he was really good at dropping off the platform and nairing/bairing really quickly. I can barely get the attacks out before I hit the ground if I fastfall it.

No, PC drop is where you walk toward the edge, then turn around, and let your momentum carry you off. It's normally used to grab the edge.

 

[ArcNatural]

Ah, I know exactly what that is. Shame, I think PC's platform dropping skills deserve more fame. It's one of the really technically sound things he does that no one seems to notice. He does it perfectly whether he hits someone or not. It amazes me.

 

[EWC]

People should pay more attention to platform tricks in general.

 

[Timcanpy]

raynex, when can be performed the u-throw> nair > re-grab vs fastfallers?

 

[JonaDiaper]

pc when are you gonna find time to play me since im soo far away

 

[I.B]

probably around 15 - 20%, any higher than that should be di-able

 

[G1G4 G0N0RRH34]

@sylar:
for the pc drop for fox
i find it easier to try to moonwalk
cuz sometimes it does the pc walk off if you walk too close to the edge
and other times, you'll still get off the edge cuz of the moonwalk

lol i dunno =D

hey berny
go do a combo with fox involving moonwalking
i know you can do it LOL

 

[Stos]

perdictions.
bernard is gonna make top 5 in the rochester tourney or where ever it is.

yeah im starting to get the PC drop with fox now.
i need to practise it more.

 

[soap]

ya i wanna come to the next PC truelife smashfest lol

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Yay PC Chris is back and ****** **** up!!
If you have time to answer this PC: What's the secret behind ****** marth as hard as you do?

 

[Falcinho]

when they suck di survivial DI the nair

edit: @at the uthrow nair regrab thingy

 

[SpaceFalcon]

If you moonwalk and shield drop you get some momentum in the air when your falling.

It's good for spacing stretchy long bairs.

 

[Da Shuffla]

Yes! I have a certain Marth whom I wish to embarass. Do tell.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

yea yea, i too wish know!
lol

 

[chize]

pc, you are too good, seeing you play your fox like that is just scary considering its still rusty, its great to have you back, your the best

 

[Doggalina]

RaynEX, I used your advice on approaching against the Marth I play yesterday, and it worked. I was more patient and I was actively thinking about all my options and which one would take him by surprise. Running shield got me a few shieldgrabs. I also took somebody's advice (I swear it was PC's, but I can't find the post) to delay your attack and attack where you think they'll move. I tried running in and just crouching randomly (that worked). I also tried running through my opponent and dash canceled fsmash him. Both of those would take him by surprise because I'd use them sparingly.

Now for some questions:

What do I do against a ledge camping Marth at a high percent? I know that I should laser him, but if he already has a stock lead I'm forced to approach eventually. The problem is that if I get grabbed/sent of the ledge I'm dead more often than not.

What should I do against a Marth who has the ledge. At the moment, I get right outside fair/getup attack range and punish how he gets up. The only problem is that if he gets up normally I don't have any options.

Any general tips against spacies? The only time I'll ever get to fight a competent spacy is at a tourney, so I'd like to know some bread and butter things to do. The only thing that I really know is upthrow to upsmash (and Thunder's combo, but that's giving me trouble for some reason. Maybe I don't WD far enough)

EDIT: I can't seem to uthrow uair Jiggs. She always jumps out. Do I just suck?

 

[Tero.]

Any general tips against spacies? The only time I'll ever get to fight a competent spacy is at a tourney, so I'd like to know some bread and butter things to do. The only thing that I really know is upthrow to upsmash (and Thunder's combo, but that's giving me trouble for some reason. Maybe I don't WD far enough)

Uhtrow to regrab =)

 

[I.B]

Now for some questions:

1. What do I do against a ledge camping Marth at a high percent? I know that I should laser him, but if he already has a stock lead I'm forced to approach eventually. The problem is that if I get grabbed/sent of the ledge I'm dead more often than not.

2. What should I do against a Marth who has the ledge. At the moment, I get right outside fair/getup attack range and punish how he gets up. The only problem is that if he gets up normally I don't have any options.

3. Any general tips against spacies? The only time I'll ever get to fight a competent spacy is at a tourney, so I'd like to know some bread and butter things to do. The only thing that I really know is upthrow to upsmash (and Thunder's combo, but that's giving me trouble for some reason. Maybe I don't WD far enough)

EDIT: 4. I can't seem to uthrow uair Jiggs. She always jumps out. Do I just suck?

1. Usually waiting it out at a safe range works. Position yourself far enough not to get hit by any ledge attempts, but close enough to punish them. Watch out for normal get-up to buffer roll, or nair/fair to buffer roll/side step, these are common ways of getting up from the ledge as Marth.

2. This would basically test your ability to react. Some people charge an up-smash to punish this, some go in to pressure with nair/dair, some grab. It all depends on what % they're at. You could even do the Cactus and just stare at them, lol.

3. Shine is your friend vs. spacies. One of your major ways of keeping on top of the game should be through shine -> tech chase. Work on your sh nair timing and spacing to beat them out on approaches, and follow up with shine. If they start CCing, dair to shine.

Against Fox, CG to up-smash combos hurt him. Up-throw to bair near the ledge to set up for easy edgeguards. Keep the pressure on.

Against Falco, shine is sex. Knock him down and **** him for it. Be careful with how you place nairs cuz a Falco that CCs will do it and cause you any from 40% to a stock depending on how good they are. Stay in his face all the time.

4. It's all a matter of timing, work on it.

 

[Tomacawk]

jman/raynex, i have 6 new fox videos, a set against dk, and a set against pika (it's against by far the best player in the area)
this is the last practice i have until SMYM9
so if you have the time and are willing, let me know what you think
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6525422#post6525422
if you critique, you can reply here or in my thread, it doesn't matter to me

 

[Snowmanthatknows]

also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D69v30mgrI&feature=channel_page

I'm back baby

Very sexy combo at the end!
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Fox moon walk anyone? How is that done?


Thanks.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

EDIT: I can't seem to uthrow uair Jiggs. She always jumps out. Do I just suck?

What's important to remember for this is that since Jiggs is so light, you throw her up faster. This means that you can actually jump sooner than against most characters, which can mess up your timing a bit.

 

[Roman.]

What are effective ways to bait for grabs? I seem to have some trouble grabbing as much as I'd like.