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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
- Thread starter otg
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I saw somebody, I'm guessing shroomed, beat some peach. That was pretty comical.
I also laughed cause I went to watch a random stream, and apparently P plays like me now. That's hilarious. Dunno who'd make that random comparison. Actually, yeah I do. XD
That stream was pretty hilarious, though.
I also laughed cause I went to watch a random stream, and apparently P plays like me now. That's hilarious. Dunno who'd make that random comparison. Actually, yeah I do. XD
That stream was pretty hilarious, though.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Shroomed got 4-stocked by Lucky.
Shroomed
Smash Master
Today was the first time I thought about switching mains to a better character
i lost to two foxes that know how to space that amazing backair of theirs
after lucky 4 stocked me, I talked to HMW and we came to the conclusion that his playstyle would work better on lucky
so the following matches I slowed down and thought **** out
fox is a stupid character
i lost to two foxes that know how to space that amazing backair of theirs
after lucky 4 stocked me, I talked to HMW and we came to the conclusion that his playstyle would work better on lucky
so the following matches I slowed down and thought **** out
fox is a stupid character
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
aw ****tttttttttt
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Wait if you have problems with Fox spacing... how do you deal with Marth and company?
VGmasta
Smash Lord
What?! Hold up man, you just got Scar for $30, saying Doc is a great character. Now your "thinking about cheating on Doc for a new character because of Fox's b-air! And what happened to being a hardcore Doc player and just "going Doc all the way through tournaments".
Alright, in all seriousness I didn't see the match. Did the match get recorded?! Did you try to cape the "spaced" b-air. I know using the cape on spaced aerials should deal 12% damage on the first hit and all the cape hits could throw off your opponents' L-canceling (since they fall slower because of all the hit lag from the cape) and should force them to use a different approach. You might even be able to throw a f-tilt or something after hitting them with the cape right as they land to the ground.
Marth is hella annoying!.. and GAY.
I like how you're trying to fault shroomed for doing what he thinks he needs to do to win. -rolls eyes-
[insert fighting game lesson plug]
You better realize that, as long as you live in America or any area that is ruled by the double elimination format, people are going to have counterpick (characters) and secondaries. That's what the format implies.
It's not the same as japan where they get one shot in they're done, so they're more inclined, sometimes forced, to learn horrid matchups instead of using previous info and switching to a more favorable, or even advantagous matchup.
[/fighting game lesson plug]
So yeah, you can try to fault people for not sticking to one character all you want. I hope you realize you're playing a specific game in a specific format that screams "You need to know more than one character."
[insert fighting game lesson plug]
You better realize that, as long as you live in America or any area that is ruled by the double elimination format, people are going to have counterpick (characters) and secondaries. That's what the format implies.
It's not the same as japan where they get one shot in they're done, so they're more inclined, sometimes forced, to learn horrid matchups instead of using previous info and switching to a more favorable, or even advantagous matchup.
[/fighting game lesson plug]
So yeah, you can try to fault people for not sticking to one character all you want. I hope you realize you're playing a specific game in a specific format that screams "You need to know more than one character."
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Doesn't seem like a fault; more like an advantage you should certainly take.
MaDWaK
Smash Journeyman
its not double elims fsult. its more the 2/3 games to win fault, and how you can switch to any character after a game.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Although, without that format, it would encourage players to dedicate themselves to and explore their character much more than learning secondaries and tertiaries.
I'm fine either way.
I'm fine either way.
Shroomed
Smash Master
I lost to lucky and eggz and I think they both got recorded
after I slowed down and played like HMW I did a crapton better
and I'm not gonna switch to fox, I was jus venting lol
eggz double shined after every aerial so I couldn't USMASH outta shield and for some reason I never thought to wait for the second shine and then usmash
I'm stupid and upset that I got completely ***** by eggz lol
EDIT: Does WD bak cape work on the bair? (The WD to ensure you won't get hit)
after I slowed down and played like HMW I did a crapton better
and I'm not gonna switch to fox, I was jus venting lol
eggz double shined after every aerial so I couldn't USMASH outta shield and for some reason I never thought to wait for the second shine and then usmash
I'm stupid and upset that I got completely ***** by eggz lol
EDIT: Does WD bak cape work on the bair? (The WD to ensure you won't get hit)
otg
Smash Master
NOOOOO, A DOC LOSES TO A FOX!!! RUNNNN FOR YOUR LIFE DOC MAINS!!!! FOX COUNTERS US NOW!!! IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH LUCKY BEING AMAZING RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn
Shroomed
Smash Master
the match i got 4 stocked, i was trying to challenge everything he did lol
thats y brandon told me to stop challenging him in the next matches
cuz his spacing is too good
thats y brandon told me to stop challenging him in the next matches
cuz his spacing is too good
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Naw, no fault intended bro. I was just being jokey about that whole "Go Doc all the way through tournament" conversation from before. Don't y'all remember when I said I'm picking Ganondorf vs. Sheik or Fox and stupid stages? Some people were like "Y'all suck for not goin' Doc all the way thru tournaments... blah, blah, blah". lol
VGmasta
Smash Lord
I flick up on the move stick and flick up on the c-stick simultaneously while my shield is up.
I don't know if there are other ways to do it, but this is the way I discovered.
Shroomed
Smash Master
usmash outta shield is so easy and good
i never thought about someone doubleshining me tho
till eggz ***** me with it
wait till the second shine then usmash that shiznit!
i never thought about someone doubleshining me tho
till eggz ***** me with it
wait till the second shine then usmash that shiznit!
unknown522
Some guy
I had a long post coming, but my bud's laptop won't let me post it....
mostly for shroomed.
mostly for shroomed.
Fortress | Sveet
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alternate way to usmash OoS is to press up on the cstick twice fast.
unknown522
Some guy
WD back OoS if they try to pressure your shield
Shroomed
Smash Master
im a spartan, and we never retreat, and never surrender!
WE FIGHT AND DIE FOR HONOR AND GLORY!
i dont WD back from shield pressure anymore
i should mix that in with my usmash OOS thingy
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Or roll towards/away from them. Careful vs mango, tho. That guy'll pew pew behind him and then run behind you and then you're like omg what do i do and then you sidestep and he rests you and ur liek wtf falco can rest?
and then you buy him a drink and he loses.
yuki
Smash Apprentice
Dj's pillgame is amazing
VGmasta
Smash Lord
See, look at how dumb that matchup is. Wow Sheik is such a ******** matchup. Lol at M2K's quit when he still had two stocks left. DJN was putting in work that first match.
boss8
Smash Hero
after that 1st match i woulda camped my *** off vs m2k....xD
otg
Smash Master
DJ standed no chances vs. m2k regardless of the matchup. He probably would've done better going bowser. Watch someone come in here and be like "OMGZ THE BEST SHEIK ***** THAT GUY WHO MAIINS BOWSER BUT WENT DOC, THAT MATCHUP MUST BE LIKE 100-0"
And they're right.
And they're right.
yuki
Smash Apprentice
Man the Sheik matchup is sooo hard. I find myself running away from grabs more than doing any real damaga at all and then I get frustrated and annoyed and I start playing offensively and then sheik doe something stupid and I die...
Makes me sad cause Holland has like the best sheiks in the world
Makes me sad cause Holland has like the best sheiks in the world
unknown522
Some guy
word. You can WD inward as well and avoid attacks on the shield sometimes. You'll usually see good marth and sheik players do it.
the one game I played doc vs mango's falco at ROM2, I had him at last stock. I had the lead the whole match, then got gimped at the end. I got him with a lot of mid damage kills (u-throw -> u-air -> d-smash around 50% before the grab).Or roll towards/away from them. Careful vs mango, tho. That guy'll pew pew behind him and then run behind you and then you're like omg what do i do and then you sidestep and he rests you and ur liek wtf falco can rest?
and then you buy him a drink and he loses.
Falco d-air is gay.
Man I just flew in from work and boy are my arms tired.
-rolls eyes-
If it takes you a game to feel a person out, it'll take you the second game to feel them out with your second character. You dont have time for that if dropping game 2 means your *** is sittin on the bench for the rest of the time.
It works, but it's gimmicky. The gimmick is, for it to work, they have to "space well", seeing as cape doesnt flip momentum in this game. So like, if fox were to jump clean past you with a n.air, WDing back and caping isnt going to do anything because all you'll do is flip him around while you still get hit in the face with a n.air. However, if they want to space correctly (or short), and you can WD out of range, then yeah, it'll work.
Especially a character dumb enough to have a 1 frame attack. XD
That gets taken away because this sheik is named after a bottom tiered king. -rolls eyes-.
But hey, that's how things roll around here. The top of midtier has "impossible matchups". -laughs hysterically-
-rolls eyes-
*points down to next comment*
There's a reason why, when you look at japan or any country that runs their games single elim, you find outstanding players with lesser characters. If you want to play that character, you are forced to learn your bad matchups or else your logic reverts to "Well, I'm going to have to win 2 sets straight with my secondary everytime I plan to use them."
If it takes you a game to feel a person out, it'll take you the second game to feel them out with your second character. You dont have time for that if dropping game 2 means your *** is sittin on the bench for the rest of the time.
Read: Hey, I dont like readin Dogy's ****. ^_^
It works, but it's gimmicky. The gimmick is, for it to work, they have to "space well", seeing as cape doesnt flip momentum in this game. So like, if fox were to jump clean past you with a n.air, WDing back and caping isnt going to do anything because all you'll do is flip him around while you still get hit in the face with a n.air. However, if they want to space correctly (or short), and you can WD out of range, then yeah, it'll work.
That sounds like a good reason to get 4 stocked by a fox right there; Refusal to respect his pressure game.
Especially a character dumb enough to have a 1 frame attack. XD
I laughed so hard when people were stupid enough to say that to and about me when I played M2k at TO5. It shows how people DON'T keep up with regions at all, seeing as there aren't really any sheiks in the south. NEVERMIND I BEAT A SHEIK WHO DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME THE ROUND BEFORE.
That gets taken away because this sheik is named after a bottom tiered king. -rolls eyes-.
But hey, that's how things roll around here. The top of midtier has "impossible matchups". -laughs hysterically-
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Just because Sheik is harder to play in PAL doesn't make PAL Sheiks the best in the world.
otg
Smash Master
All I was saying that M2k is way better than DJ and it didn't matter what matchup they played. ****, m2k could've doc dittoed him and I bet he would've *****. I have faith in you Dogy, you can keep up with dem sheiks
But yeah, my sarcasm is pointed at those who see things like Shroomed getting 4 stocked by a player WAAAAY better than him (and apparently as he was being blindly aggressive... go figure, no hate tho shroomed you're legit) and DJ getting ***** by a player WAAAAAY better than him and its like "there you go, Doc for bottom tier"
It's ********.
That's the point I was making.All I was saying that M2k is way better than DJ and it didn't matter what matchup they played. ****, m2k could've doc dittoed him and I bet he would've *****. I have faith in you Dogy, you can keep up with dem sheiks
But yeah, my sarcasm is pointed at those who see things like Shroomed getting 4 stocked by a player WAAAAY better than him (and apparently as he was being blindly aggressive... go figure, no hate tho shroomed you're legit) and DJ getting ***** by a player WAAAAAY better than him and its like "there you go, Doc for bottom tier"
It's ********.
That's how this community is.
When the TO5 vids dropped and I got destroyed by m2k, everybody's all like "omg doc cant do anything vs m2k. Doc is trash, blah blah." And I'm thinking "Wow, I literally beat a sheik who did THE EXACT SAME THING M2K DID the game before. The only difference was that the sheik I lost to has frame-seeing glasses. (Not really, I looked for stuff m2k never does)", but try to tell that to anybody else and it's like "NO THIS CHARACTER LOST, DOESNT MATTER IF THE OTHER GUY COULDA PICKED DK AND DID THE SAME THING"
unknown522
Some guy
do people really use inui logic that much?
sorry for double post.
sorry for double post.
unknown522
Some guy
this here is a good post. I've been saying this for years, which is also why I don't like when spacie mains from the south say that fox/falco vs falcon is even. A lot of them lose to good falcon players, because there are no (at least known ones) in their reigon, so they lack experience in the matchup.
Same with marths in the south (other than QDVS that I know of), or in the west (other than DJ combo I guess). When falco mains say that marth v falco is 65-35 for marth, and the rest of the world is like "what?". Or that marth is the best character in the game, and peach.
There are more examples that. I just need to think. I would say falco v fox, but that's a different story.
Angrylobster
Smash Lord
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So, does anyone have any tips for Ganon? I got wrecked pretty hard by Linguini at winterfest