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[soap]

cactuar and taj are tied for my favorite.

those pound 2 dittos are one of my favorite sets

 

[KirbyKaze]

kfc is my fav marth player cuz he uses red marth. he uses the blood from his victims to color his clothes.

and flavour his chicken

i think m2k is my favourite but not this sheik-totting new m2k i like the old gay m2k

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

lol raychun <3

ur my favorite player ever because ur the only guy who kept ur cool during the genesis hotel incident

and ur hella funny haha

 

[KAOSTAR]

haha, genesis hotels lol. I remember the police were called because the night b4 there were ppl sleeping outside by the pool, and they assumed they were passed out drunkards.

 

[DUB]

What's the frame data for the Up+B out of shield? Practicing to do it as frame-fast as possible?

Cactuar- I don't think I've seen you use the reverse DS OoS but what are some common moves to punish with it?

 

[Falcinho]

I'd only use it if the opponent is at high %s --> upB will kill or set up an edgeguard
or if my shield is getting too low

Most ppl usually do aerial --> shine/jab
after the shine/jab you usually can upB

 

[Dark Sonic]

What's the frame data for the Up+B out of shield? Practicing to do it as frame-fast as possible?

Cactuar- I don't think I've seen you use the reverse DS OoS but what are some common moves to punish with it?

Knowing the frame data for it isn't really gonna help but....

Startup 1-5, hitbox on 5 (frame 5 is also invincible).

As for moves to punish with it...crouch cancel up B . You can also use it after baiting a grab (or an attack in general), or using it to cover ledge options (lol he was invincible for my d-tilt, 5 frame kill move time!) It's not that good of a move though <_<

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

don't use it to edge guard. someone asked a long time ago if it worked; it doesnt. the hitbox starts above the stage.

 

[P. O. F.]

Dark Sonic-Amazing sig. <3

 

[4% APR]

yeah i thought the same thing

 

[soap]

run up to the ledge shield. upb oos. i get it to work alot. its kinda like foxs gay shine oos thing if they are stupid enough to attack

 

[Nø Ca$h]

dark sonic: dam, sweet sig. matthew is a KILLER. or maybe its jaffar/colm, idk.

on my second look, i can see its a rouge(colm?), a female swordmaster(marrisa?), and an assassin(joshua?). how many points did i get?

 

[4% APR]

that's lyn, not a swordmaster

 

[Dark Sonic]

dark sonic: dam, sweet sig. matthew is a KILLER. or maybe its jaffar/colm, idk.

on my second look, i can see its a rouge(colm?), a female swordmaster(marrisa?), and an assassin(joshua?). how many points did i get?

It's Lyn (Blade Lord) vs Colm (assassin) and Rennac (Rogue). Lyn is from fire emblem 7 and Colm and Rennac are from fire emblem 8

Also...I didn't make it <_<. Google rocks.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i knew it was lyn bah. colm is crazy, but y rennac? he SUCKS. colm is a MUCH better rouge. i guess it doesnt matter when u force cap ur stats.

btw ive beaten fe 7 and 8. ive played a englished patched rom 6(roys), roy was born low tier. even for a lord. i played 5 mins of the first one(marths), but it wasnt patched. so i couldnt understand it.

 

[KAOSTAR]

no comment

 

[4% APR]

i knew it was lyn bah. colm is crazy, but y rennac? he SUCKS. colm is a MUCH better rouge. i guess it doesnt matter when u force cap ur stats.

btw ive beaten fe 7 and 8. ive played a englished patched rom 6(roys), roy was born low tier. even for a lord. i played 5 mins of the first one(marths), but it wasnt patched. so i couldnt understand it.

the first one was recently remade for DS

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i know, but i dont have or want a ds

 

[Dark Sonic]

i knew it was lyn bah. colm is crazy, but y rennac? he SUCKS. colm is a MUCH better rouge. i guess it doesnt matter when u force cap ur stats.

btw ive beaten fe 7 and 8. ive played a englished patched rom 6(roys), roy was born low tier. even for a lord. i played 5 mins of the first one(marths), but it wasnt patched. so i couldnt understand it.

Meh, I kinda like Rennac (personality only), but remember I didn't make the animation <_<.

And screw Rouges anyway. I don't need to save money on lockpicks when the game throws gold at me. Assassins make much better units (thought still kinda bad <_<)

I've played FE 7-11 (11 is the FE1 remake). Fun series. Wanna try 5 out (hardest of the series I hear)

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

DS is a great system. i'm not a super hardcore gamer anymore, especially with school starting, and of the free time i get most of it is waiting for class or something where i can't sit down at a console for 5 hours.

the console has lots of great RPGS (final fantasies and dragon quests galore) along with all the classic genres (space shooters and puzzles for example). and if you buy the right thing, you can put any old emulator you want on it (i play super mario world for SNES all the time on my DS)

 

[P. O. F.]

Hey guys:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=226822

What do you think?

 

[SinceEternity]

hey guys, what are some good practice drills? I can do all the tech, but I can't really string them together - any ideas? haha

 

[Miggz]

hey guys, what are some good practice drills? I can do all the tech, but I can't really string them together - any ideas? haha

You kind of answered your own question. lol =P

Just practice stringing them together, is all. Just keep in mind that there are three slightly different timings when canceling your aerials. Your canceling timing all depends on what you hit. Either empty space, your opponent, or your opponents shield. Once you have mastered all three timings, practice linking your combos. Your combos all revolve around your percentages and the actual weight of your opponent.

You can also practice smoothing out your movement. Try practicing wavelanding on various levels with platforms.

 

[Cactuar]

I just have a routine of dashpivotwavedashes that I do when I'm warming up. Then I sh a few times to feel out the ff timing, then full jump a few times to feel out the ff timing. That's about it.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I just go to dream land or yoshis and I waveland around the top and right platforms and the ground and waveland up from the ledge.

also I throw out some fairs and on the right platform I sh dub fair then fall thru with an attack. Then I just start shuffling nairs fairs and uairs and ledge cancel dairs and more wavelands.

now Im ready to grab ppl

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

whats the best way to space vs sheik? retreat nair to dair? or would fairs be better in this matchup?

i watched some old ken stuff and he does nair to ftilt a lot and a lot of shdfair.

m2k does the nair to ftilt too, but he does shfair to dj fair ff fair or empty sh to dj fair ff fair.

my idea is to use dtilt because shiek wont be approaching through the air like fox would, and there is less lag after it.

also what is the best thing to do if sheik CCs a fair and i want to avoid the tilt/grab? should i buffer a roll?

 

[Cactuar]

I spam fair vs sheik. Me vs forward at evo east was total fair spam. And him SDing. lolol

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

was that recorded?

yes it was

 

[soap]

I just go to dream land or yoshis and I waveland around the top and right platforms and the ground and waveland up from the ledge.

also I throw out some fairs and on the right platform I sh dub fair then fall thru with an attack. Then I just start shuffling nairs fairs and uairs and ledge cancel dairs and more wavelands.

now Im ready to grab ppl

i like to go to platforms and waveland forward b the other way, waveland off the top forward b the other way and just kinda make silly circles.

i think fair is better against sheik. nair is a bit slower and leaves your feet open to dash attacks.

there is another vid of m2k v. forwards sheik. it was on battlefield i recall and m2k starts spamming retreating SHDF. it looks safe. If u can find a way to make them not stand there and throw **** at u it could work i guess.

forwards sheik was recently like 3-4 stocking tajs marth in some AZ finals so i think he is a bit better at that matchup now as well.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Well vs sheik as long as ur spacing the fairs you dont have toooo much of a problem.

If you can help it dont land at her feet, and you should do pretty well to avoid gettin punished for doing an attack.

grab after her aerials, or fair to grab on the shield.

if ur gonna nair, they should be above you teching on a platform, or also in the air coming towards and slightly down. If you want to spam it then retreat, or nair as far through the shield as possible and its not a bad idea to sometimes side rev b to a possible grab when u land.

REally if u can avoid getting grabbed you should be ok. cuz fair often comes from grabs but dont be dumb in the air

 

[Miggz]

Yeah as KAOSTAR said above retreating after your SHFFLS is key. Just keep that in mind.

 

[strawhats]

I had no idea one could ledge cancel the landing lag on marth's up b recovery. It reminds me of Cpt. Falcon and what Jeff does with him.
You need to have vls media player to see this vid. A European tourney match where makenshi does the aforementioned move.

http://ajpanton.se/ssbm/zest4/Single...(Marth)-BF.mp4

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Yea Ive seen this a bunch of times before in various matches. You gotta get with the times strawhats. Or just play Marth some more.

 

[PK Webb]

how do i avoid the marth killer....when im returning on stage and my opponent sheilds and grabs the ledge. i gets me everytime

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

how do i avoid the marth killer....when im returning on stage and my opponent sheilds and grabs the ledge. i gets me everytime

get the edge with your jump, or upb on the stage. those are your only options involving living.

 

[Teczer0]

get the edge with your jump, or upb on the stage. those are your only options involving living.

Double stick fast fall off stage double jump immediately and up-b?

Oh you could also airdodge lol.

Yea... now we are getting into the realm of "I'm Magus and your edgegaurds don't work on me "

 

[strawhats]

Can someone tell me how to Ledge cancel the landing lag after marth's up B, much like makenshi did on BF in that vid I posted.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

if you're talking about what i think you are, then you have to practice it. i've never seen anyone consistantly do it, but i know most marths have done it before (CF can do something similar too).

 

[Strong Badam]

you should probably work on... everything else involving marth before learning to consistently ledgecancel his up-b.

 

[strawhats]

yeah I know but it would be so much midgames of the love if I could screw over someone trying to play predictale w/. edgeguards and ****. And yes veet I am talking about that craazy edge cancels theat look similiar to the **** Silent Spectre does w/. his falcon. I have a pretty good marth, not exactly pro marth but I use all the ATs if thats what u mean... wavedashing in and out of shield Dash dancing Lcanceling dairs and all the technicalities of marth. Of course Im no m2k. Maybe what we all need is a TAS perfect Marth vid. Although m2k was the closest to that.

I am surprised someone like m2k has not perfected it yet. Has he ever done it before ?