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[DUB]

Cactaur- When Fox is nair shining and all that shenanigans on my shield, what are some options I have? I played a much higher level Fox player this weekend the times i rolled out his approach he would be back on my shield quickly. I would fair/nair OoS when I could but most of the time it was just suffocating pressure. I've seen you wavedash OoS and F-smash. How good does this work?

 

[Aesir]

It works very well.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Wavedash uptilt's where it's at!

 

[JBM falcon08]

Just lightshield against Fox/Falco.

Don't do it all the time. Its really good though.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Just lightshield against Fox/Falco.

Don't do it all the time. Its really good though.

Irronically...I forget to do this.

Btw I've always wanted to know. How do you toggle between lightshields and regular shields?

 

[Nø Ca$h]

hold a and r, then tap z iirc

 

[Tee ay eye]

That works, plus you can just lightshield with one trigger and just keep tapping the other trigger.

 

[Cactuar]

I just have good shield control. I don't really do any tricks. I don't use R at all.

 

[Duff0]

Which way do you DI Falco's uthrow? I mainly DI away but I still get hit with a dair.

 

[JBM falcon08]

I DI both sticks in.

Normally that gets me out of the dair. Just make sure your not double sticking that way when they Realize to bair you.

 

[Tee ay eye]

Cactuar-You got rid of the Cactus from Final Fantasy. This makes me sad.

FF 8 FTW.

The FF cactus monster is called Cactuar

 

[Nø Ca$h]

they made 5000000 variations of the cactuar.
cactuar
cactuer
qactuar
kactuar
cactoid

origionally, it was cactrot...... ask me how? i do not know

 

[Cactuar]

Originally, it was Sabotender.

 

[Byron 1337]

HAY CACTER. DOES U USE THE C STIK FER THE AERIALS Or THE a BUTTIN

On a more serious note, what are some of the patterns you try to look for when playing somebody?

 

[Nø Ca$h]

Originally, it was Sabotender.

im fighting the urge to say "originally, it was *********"

but sabotender is the japanese version. this is sparta. erm usa

 

[Pi]

lol shdfair, using Z for the second fair, auto L cancels
._.
and I thought it was hard

 

[KAOSTAR]

********* sweat rapesauce, ahhh yea

Spoiler

(I was offended by what I said lol you should be too)

 

[_Rocky_]

Is randomly pivot fmashing a smart move? ._.
(with randomly I mean being able to do it consistently and using it as a mindgame)

 

[AustinRC]

If you use it learn to be able to space tippered pivot fsmash. Even if it hits the sheild the stun is to long for them to punish you. If they dodge your ****ed and if they get hit by it their ****ed. Sooooo yeah. *I pivot a lot soooooooo yeah*

 

[TresChikon]

Anything is baitable and punishable, but you'd probably land pivot smashes on me 100% of the time anyway since I smell bad at this game.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Is randomly pivot fmashing a smart move? ._.
(with randomly I mean being able to do it consistently and using it as a mindgame)

It can be, as long as you make it seem like you are trying to retreat or gain space, otherwise it becomes a regular old Fsmash to your opponent and the fact that you pivoted only makes you a douche lol.

just be careful wit the Fsmash in general, Its not hard to punish but well spaced ones can be rewarding.

 

[Aesir]

copying cactuars movements was the single best stratagey I have ever employed.

 

[P. O. F.]

The FF cactus monster is called Cactuar

Yes, I know. FF 8 is my favorite game of all time. It just sounded stupid saying "cactuar you got rid of (the) cactuar from ff8"

meh

 

[TPoint1BUA]

Anyone have some little tech tricks with marth/things that look cool?

For example, moonwalk to aerial or edgehog. (Looks awesome =D)
Nair spam
Dash forward/backward and wavedash the opposite direction like a mofo.
Edge Canceling aerials (Especially sexy if the first aerial is moonwalked into)
Ledge hop neutral B -> regrab edge.

My favorite : Moonwalked dair edge cancel to neutral b edguard.



Sabotender Sabotender Sabotender

 

[KAOSTAR]

Anyone have some little tech tricks with marth/things that look cool?

For example, moonwalk to aerial or edgehog. (Looks awesome =D)
Nair spam
Dash forward/backward and wavedash the opposite direction like a mofo.
Edge Canceling aerials (Especially sexy if the first aerial is moonwalked into)
Ledge hop neutral B -> regrab edge.

My favorite : Moonwalked dair edge cancel to neutral b edguard.



Sabotender Sabotender Sabotender

ummm these are the only ones

 

[Tiamat27]

ummm these are the only ones

Nah.

In middle of fair combo, predict if they're going to try to jump out or out priority you and then instead of continuing the combo, just waveland and charge up an FSmash. (bonus points of you waveland onto a platform with a full jump).
For some reason I like the backflip animation when you ledgehop starting backwards then go forwards onto the stage.
There's of course u-throw -> reverse fair ken combo on spacies at I believe low hundreds.
Also buffered angled shield is faster out of dtilt than normal buffered shield.

Tons of other stuff.

 

[KAOSTAR]

DAm son, I guess you missed the sarcasm

Spoiler

lol

 

[Nø Ca$h]

im doing some special mm with everyones favorite desert plant thing.

its special

 

[knightpraetor]

I have a question about a combo and whether it is worthwhile to go for.

Particularly. against floaties it is possible to combo rising full jump Fair to double jump dair. this actually combos on floaties in lots of places where the short hop fair does not. In particular jiggs pretty much can always avoid attempts at ken comboing unless you get either an inside fair or do this. However, I am questioning whether it is worthwhile so I was hoping some people with experience using it could discuss it. Particularly it's used against opponents that are grounded therefore there is a risk that you will miss and be high in the air making it much more risky to go for than a regular fair...it combos well though; i don't think it's worth it as much on peach because it's pretty easy to ken combo peach if they miss a DI anyways..

 

[Stratford]

It seems to me if Puff is at low enough percent to still be in range for the dair after a fair, she might survive the spike anyway. Sounds good for Peach.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I have a question about a combo and whether it is worthwhile to go for.

Particularly. against floaties it is possible to combo rising full jump Fair to double jump dair. this actually combos on floaties in lots of places where the short hop fair does not. In particular jiggs pretty much can always avoid attempts at ken comboing unless you get either an inside fair or do this. However, I am questioning whether it is worthwhile so I was hoping some people with experience using it could discuss it. Particularly it's used against opponents that are grounded therefore there is a risk that you will miss and be high in the air making it much more risky to go for than a regular fair...it combos well though; i don't think it's worth it as much on peach because it's pretty easy to ken combo peach if they miss a DI anyways..

Marth can combo into dair from fair at like any combination.(short hops ful hopsl)

You can do rising fairs to dj dairs. It really just depends on how the DI the fair. Sometimes they put themselves in a spot where you can hit that tipper dair, sometimes you get a non tipper dair, or they DI far enough away to avoid the hit entirely. Either way connecting with the dair is pretty safe cuz you may be able to follow up after a non tippered dair or retreat if you have to. If you miss they probably have a little space so you should use it to escape and reapproach.

 

[Roche_CL]

umm, doing full jump is ok, if they try to go for something, you just make your double jump and wait.
i like doing it:
Fthrow->full jump rising Fair -> Dair, if they DI into you

well, if the opponent knows how to play marth, he will hardly get into any combos, thats the matchups of marth against floaties :/
thats why i prefer going sheik/fox/falcon, its more entertaining xO

 

[knightpraetor]

i'm pretty sure rising full jump fair is ten times more likely to ken combo..it's possible to DI out with maybe full DI away, but it's not easy. Think about where you're hitting for a second. With a sh fair you hit with the tip of your blade that is farthest from you horizontally, but when doing the full jump you are hitting with the part of the blade that is angled 45' down from your position, this basically means you are tipping them while closer to their position in actuality and thus even with slight DI they will not get out of the dair, when they would get out of the SH version.

Thus my dilemma, because full jumps are more risky but also more likely to land that spike. part of me remembers seeing ken land one in a marth vs peach match a long time ago, but the other part of me remembers that very few marths seem to full jump much..so i dunno

 

[Teczer0]

Does anyone know how if you can you AC a nair from the edge?

I feel like I do it sometimes by accident unless I've been doing super low nairs or something.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i know you can't nair regrab ledge, but nair has auto cancel after frame 26 (i forget how many frames the move is total) so you might be able to.

cactuar, can you give some tips on using usmash? what % can u uthrow->usmash sweetspot if they dont DI? are there any other good lead-ins (eg, uair->usmash)? does usmash lead into combos better than utilt?

 

[Cactuar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djy5tvd84kY

This is my tip to using upsmash. I don't know any percents on anything btw.

 

[DUB]

Not really a combo or anything but, a lot of people don't tech the U-smash if they are hit to the side. It's a free jab reset most of the time.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Lately after watching some videos of M2K's marth, I've been wondering if you can pivot grab in melee like you can in brawl? I see a lot of M2K running forward then immediately grabbing in the opposite direction, without dash dancing, however. Second question is, when performing an OoS attack, such as Dair OoS, is it advised to just jump while holding the L or R button or let go of the L or R button before jumping and doing the attack?

 

[JBM falcon08]

Cactuar I've picked up a tactic new to me.

While chainthrowing spacies at pivot grab percent, Usmash them. It will hit with the very weak hit. Most of the time spacies won't tech it because its unorthodox. Jab reset, grab, and repeat chainthrow.

Its too much ****

 

[Cactuar]

I try not to use gimmicky things... I just stick with either uthrow dthrow fsmash/tech chase or uthrow utilt/uairs.

Any fun use of upsmash is entertaining though.