Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 ('Terminal' - the 17th for Elite / 18th for non-Elite)

[Wretched]

I guess we could play the "I have no argument game so I'm going to attack irrelevant qualities of things I don't like" card.

Have you guys really digressed so far that you complain about the most measly **** like sniping? Stephen, you use what is best in the game always, so if sniping was so ****ing easy and overpowered you'd do it. I know for sure.

I know you guys need something to complain about, but couldn't you at least find something worthy? This comes up over and over again and you guys eventually just end up throwing a blanket statement over the argument when you find that you are clearly wrong about sniping being overpowered. That, or you make fun of the fact that 12 year olds quickscope. Big news, 12 year olds use assault rifles too, and 35 year old men quickscope.

Swamp, it is nowhere near that simple. When you're not playing the game, it is easy to say that, but when you actually try to apply this snipingtheorycrafting stuff to an actual game, it never works. It is really inconsistent.

 

[O D I N]

Everyone should try the MK46.

It's probably my new favorite LMG.

 

[Pluvia]

I don't actually know where all this "Seatown is a close quarters map" stuff comes from.

It has like 3 alleyways which open up into the market, which has multiple areas you can be shot down onto from and isn't close quarters. It has that bit with the 30 foot well drop, which is a big open space. That building in the corner, that has 2 big open spaces on it, and that balcony area, which is a long medium range space.

A close quarters map is Dome, or Mission, but Seatown? It's not a close quarters map. It's a map with long ranges and like 200 areas you can head glitch from.

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

I guess we could play the "I have no argument game so I'm going to attack irrelevant qualities of things I don't like" card.

Have you guys really digressed so far that you complain about the most measly **** like sniping? Stephen, you use what is best in the game always, so if sniping was so ****ing easy and overpowered you'd do it. I know for sure.

I know you guys need something to complain about, but couldn't you at least find something worthy? This comes up over and over again and you guys eventually just end up throwing a blanket statement over the argument when you find that you are clearly wrong about sniping being overpowered. That, or you make fun of the fact that 12 year olds quickscope. Big news, 12 year olds use assault rifles too, and 35 year old men quickscope.

Swamp, it is nowhere near that simple. When you're not playing the game, it is easy to say that, but when you actually try to apply this snipingtheorycrafting stuff to an actual game, it never works. It is really inconsistent.

I don't know what you're talking about Wretched

 

[SnackAttack]

Wretched, you're missing some very important points.

One, Snipers are a one-shot cannon at literally every range.

This wouldn't be a problem if you couldn't aim down the scope faster than KFC sells buckets of chicken with the release of a new Tyler Perry movie.

Two: The aim assist on Snipers is... absurd.

Really, Wretched, I love you to death, but you're just way off base when you say that sniping is not overpowered or stupid in this game.

Have you even looked at the time it takes to aim down the scope with sniper rifles in this game? with QuickDraw? It's absolutely absurd, and you're seriously in denial if you think otherwise.

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

I don't actually know where all this "Seatown is a close quarters map" stuff comes from.

It has like 3 alleyways which open up into the market, which has multiple areas you can be shot down onto from and isn't close quarters. It has that bit with the 30 foot well drop, which is a big open space. That building in the corner, that has 2 big open spaces on it, and that balcony area, which is a long medium range space.

A close quarters map is Dome, or Mission, but Seatown? It's not a close quarters map. It's a map with long ranges and like 200 areas you can head glitch from.

I personally think all the maps should be just like shipment or straight lines

 

[Hot_ArmS]

anyone playing tonight? Im almost done studying

 

[Master Xanthan]

You shouldn't be able to get a kill like that. Dat aim assist is so pro!

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

You should always be able to get a kill like that. Dat aim assist is so pro!

Fixed it for you silly head

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Nice, quickscoped around a corner just now.

Didn't know they have xbox live at daycare? :O

 

[Hot_ArmS]

play during the day when theyre all at school

 

[Zook]

Wretched, you're missing some very important points.

One, Snipers are a one-shot cannon at literally every range.

This wouldn't be a problem if you couldn't aim down the scope faster than KFC sells buckets of chicken with the release of a new Tyler Perry movie.

Two: The aim assist on Snipers is... absurd.

Really, Wretched, I love you to death, but you're just way off base when you say that sniping is not overpowered or stupid in this game.

Have you even looked at the time it takes to aim down the scope with sniper rifles in this game? with QuickDraw? It's absolutely absurd, and you're seriously in denial if you think otherwise.

All of this stuff is true, but at the same time, I don't think I've ever played a game where a quickscoper completely dominated. Or ever had the most kills, for that matter. Sure, snipers look broken on paper, but they don't hold up in play.

If snipers were as good as you say they are, people would be going 30-0 with just snipers, which just doesn't happen.

 

[DSTP]

Snack, I hope you know we love you, no matter how hard you are on yourself.

All homo love.

 

[SnackAttack]

Snack, I hope you know we love you, no matter how hard you are on yourself.

All homo love.

Yeah, whatever. <3

 

[LumpyCPU...]

Lumpy's CoD Philosophy

each range in my eyes should be owned by a different type of weapon. knife, striker, smg, assault rifle, sniper (i only listed what i think is the best at something). that's why smgs and assault rifles are the most prevalent. they cover the most common ranges. so when i'm choosing a primary, i'm making a decision about which range i want to have the advantage. while keeping in mind what range of weapon i've chosen, i move strategically around the map in such a way that will maximize my advantageous encounters and leave me less vulnerable to all of the disadvantageous ranges. the better i execute this type of movement around the map, the better i do and the more likely i am to win every encounter.

my beef with snipers being able to quickscope is that they can go against the tactical hierarchy. getting one shotted instantly at a close/mid range is very frustrating because i couldn't very well have defended myself. i didn't die because i slipped up or someone bested me strategically. i lost because he can get a near instant one hit kill at any range. it feels like i got killed by a predator missile, even though i was using blind eye and blast shield.

with that said, i believe it does take skill to be good with a sniper rifle. i don't think it's easy. snipers don't usually dominate a lobby by quickscoping. i don't think it's a major issue and i don't think they're broken.

 

[Delta-cod]

Is seaside a dlc map?Haven't played it yet

Seatown.
Sea - Town.

SeaTOWN

Hurr durr you guys know what I meant it doesn't matter.

I don't actually know where all this "Seatown is a close quarters map" stuff comes from.

It has like 3 alleyways which open up into the market, which has multiple areas you can be shot down onto from and isn't close quarters. It has that bit with the 30 foot well drop, which is a big open space. That building in the corner, that has 2 big open spaces on it, and that balcony area, which is a long medium range space.

A close quarters map is Dome, or Mission, but Seatown? It's not a close quarters map. It's a map with long ranges and like 200 areas you can head glitch from.

Dome isn't close quarters to the same degree as Seatown. Dome is a small map, yes, but there are no tight corners or anything. It's quite open in general, full of long sightlines with little cover, and as a result, it plays more towards an AR's midrange cover game than to a close quarters shotgun/SMG game.

Seatown is VERY close quarters. Narrow back alleys with plenty of corners or box stacks obscuring vision are everywhere. The marketplace looks open, but it's really only open from above. It has almost a grid type layout with the market stalls that create, whaddya know, more close range encounters and tight corners. It also has plenty of cover/hidden areas to the upper levels to make it useful for movement. The map also has plenty of buildings - shotgun close quarter central.

The only real open areas are the street, the well area, and... that's it, I guess. Most other open areas of that map aren't used.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

Got a MOAB with the usas earlier tonight :D

Luckily I was able to call it in for it to technically count but the cool part didn't happen because we got hte last tag to end the game :/

 

[Pikaville]

I don't actually know where all this "Seatown is a close quarters map" stuff comes from.

It has like 3 alleyways which open up into the market, which has multiple areas you can be shot down onto from and isn't close quarters. It has that bit with the 30 foot well drop, which is a big open space. That building in the corner, that has 2 big open spaces on it, and that balcony area, which is a long medium range space.

A close quarters map is Dome, or Mission, but Seatown? It's not a close quarters map. It's a map with long ranges and like 200 areas you can head glitch from.

Seatown is a close quarters map if you make it one.

I pretty much always get my full strike package just by running around in the buildings/alleys.

It's a half and half map.

Also the only thing about snipers that pisses me off in this game, is the fact they can still shoot straight while getting hit by automatic gun fire.

 

[Delta-cod]

Got a MOAB with the usas earlier tonight :D

Luckily I was able to call it in for it to technically count but the cool part didn't happen because we got hte last tag to end the game :/

Something I have yet to accomplish. Mah boy.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

Oh and it was on Dome.

We all know how much you love that map Delta.

 

[Wretched]

LOL. You don't have to worry about disagreeing with me.

All of this stuff is true, but at the same time, I don't think I've ever played a game where a quickscoper completely dominated. Or ever had the most kills, for that matter. Sure, snipers look broken on paper, but they don't hold up in play.

If snipers were as good as you say they are, people would be going 30-0 with just snipers, which just doesn't happen.

I can't emphasize this enough.

 

[O D I N]

each range in my eyes should be owned by a different type of weapon. knife, striker, smg, assault rifle, sniper (i only listed what i think is the best at something). that's why smgs and assault rifles are the most prevalent. they cover the most common ranges. so when i'm choosing a primary, i'm making a decision about which range i want to have the advantage. while keeping in mind what range of weapon i've chosen, i move strategically around the map in such a way that will maximize my advantageous encounters and leave me less vulnerable to all of the disadvantageous ranges. the better i execute this type of movement around the map, the better i do and the more likely i am to win every encounter.

my beef with snipers being able to quickscope is that they can go against the tactical hierarchy. getting one shotted instantly at a close/mid range is very frustrating because i couldn't very well have defended myself. i didn't die because i slipped up or someone bested me strategically. i lost because he can get a near instant one hit kill at any range. it feels like i got killed by a predator missile, even though i was using blind eye and blast shield.

with that said, i believe it does take skill to be good with a sniper rifle. i don't think it's easy. snipers don't usually dominate a lobby by quickscoping. i don't think it's a major issue and i don't think they're broken.

Lumpy hit the nail on the head for me. This is my problem with quickscoping, and why I despise it.

Knife/Riot<Shotgun<SMG<AR/LMG<Sniper

THAT'S the way it should be. Not:

Sniper<Sniper<Sniper<Sniper<Sniper

I'm sick of aiming, shooting, or even hipfiring at a quickscoping ****tard to be killed at point blank range or SMG/AR range.

Keep your LONG RANGE RIFLE out of my CLOSE QUARTERS.

I don't care if it takes skill or practice. I don't care if it's not consistent. It doesn't belong in my personal space.

And that's all I have to say about that.

You're entitled to your own opinions on the matter. But nothing you have to say will sway me from my opinion. And your opinion is yours, and I expect that I'm not going to suggest you from otherwise.

/somebody get me some frakking coffee

 

[Pikaville]

Here is that coffee you asked for.

offee:

Wait what?

 

[Pluvia]

The thing with quickscoping is they have to do that tedious thing of aiming in, and if you run into one with a Steady Aimed PP90, 9 times out of 10 you'll win.

 

[O D I N]

Here is that coffee you asked for.

offee:

Wait what?

It's because ":" and "c" make

But thanks.

Just learned Forum awards are up.

 

[F8AL]

Seatown is a close quarters map if you make it one.

I pretty much always get my full strike package just by running around in the buildings/alleys.

It's a half and half map.

Also the only thing about snipers that pisses me off in this game, is the fact they can still shoot straight while getting hit by automatic gun fire.

Gotta love that view kick, eh?

Something I have yet to accomplish. Mah boy.

You haven't gotten one yet? But...you're Delta... D:

Oh and it was on Dome.

We all know how much you love that map Delta.

What's wrong with Dome?

It's because ":" and "c" make

But thanks.

Just learned Forum awards are up.

Vote for me.

/shameless advertising

 

[Pikaville]

I already did F8AL.

Not saying what category though

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

What's wrong with Dome?

Ask Delta (assumingyou were asking me). He seems to hate all of the small maps that everyone like.

Iirc he hates Terminal

 

[F8AL]

I already did F8AL.

Not saying what category though

ohyou.jpg

Ask Delta (assumingyou were asking me). He seems to hate all of the small maps that everyone like.

Iirc he hates Terminal

...I didn't think it was possible to hate Terminal from MW2. (It'll prolly be remade for MW3.)

 

[Pikaville]

Terminal was my favourite map!

Also how have they not released all the MW2 maps as DLC yet?

I mean the engine is the exact same, as are the graphics.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

When Terminal is remade for mw3 (yea it's gonna be made for mw3 cuz it's that good ).............









****


WILL


GO


DOWN


.................cuz noobtubes suck now

 

[Pikaville]

Yeah but think of what the Type is gonna do on that A>C corridor.

Then what the FMG's are gonna do to people on the plane!

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

And then what my spas shenanigans will do to people that I flank constantly



owait, that's gonna stay the same because spas w/damage is pretty much mw2 spas

and if I'm not getting by with that, I got mah boy usas-12 w/damage to get me those ridiculous snipes

 

[O D I N]

http://gamergaia.com/pc/2256-new-mulitplayer-playlists-announced-for-modern-warfare-3.html

NEW PLAYLISTS TODAY BOYS AND... Men.

Sounds fun. :D

 

[Pikaville]

I'm pretty sure you'd **** anyone no matter what weapon you use!

 

[O D I N]

Vote for me.

/shameless advertising

Only if you vote for me! :D

I really would like to win artist/lifetime. I've been here 6 years. Would love to have something to show for it.

/super sad shameless

I already did F8AL.

Not saying what category though

Same here.

Ask Delta (assumingyou were asking me). He seems to hate all of the small maps that everyone like.

Iirc he hates Terminal

iknowright

...I didn't think it was possible to hate Terminal from MW2. (It'll prolly be remade for MW3.)

mybodyisready.jpg

Can't wait for Terminal.

Appropriate reaction to lack of liking Terminal.

Terminal was my favourite map!

Also how have they not released all the MW2 maps as DLC yet?

I mean the engine is the exact same, as are the graphics.

Brofist

When Terminal is remade for mw3 (yea it's gonna be made for mw3 cuz it's that good ).............









****


WILL


GO


DOWN


.................cuz noobtubes suck now

BURGERTOWN MUTHA ****AS!

Yeah but think of what the Type is gonna do on that A>C corridor.

Then what the FMG's are gonna do to people on the plane!

And then what my spas shenanigans will do to people that I flank constantly



owait, that's gonna stay the same because spas w/damage is pretty much mw2 spas

and if I'm not getting by with that, I got mah boy usas-12 w/damage to get me those ridiculous snipes

I need to try the Usuck.

 

[Pikaville]

Hahaha the USUCK!

Excellent work.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

BURGERTOWN MUTHA ****AS!

Ahh, that's right. We'll be expanding the business to new awesome places.

I hope frequent flyers like Burger Town. They're gonna get a good serving of it at the grand opening

I need to try the Usuck.

More like the Uslapyour****intheenemysfaceanddoesntafraidofanything

shoutouts to Bob

 

[F8AL]

Can they add a playlist which:

- Lag compensation is disabled
- Assassin is disabled
- Blind eye is disabled
- Death streaks are disabled

???

EDIT: https://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/statuses/147532707906330624 (From yesterday)

#MW3 players will also notice a title update tomorrow morning when they connect. This will address "Host Disadvantage" / "Lag Compensation".

*Approaches with cautious optimism*

EDIT2:

TU7: Improvement to address "Host Disadvantage" / "Lag Compensation" that caused hosts with good connections to be hindered.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

Can they add a playlist which:

- Assassin is disabled

But than what would you do?