Brawl Character Match-Up chart

[ssbbFICTION]

Peach > Wario

tehomgz. Its 90 : 10 peach. Thats obviously the reason i cant beat edrees XD




No really, hes right though.

 

[Steel]

Marth boards have vs diddy as a 60 40 advantage... not even.

 

[pastaboy]

i approve that message^
also dk is even with diddy,

 

[Morrigan]

Peach > Wario

Peach = Diddy

Peach > Ike


Fix these, mainers of both characters will agree.

Don't forget about

Peach >> Olimar, 'tis one of the only big advantages Peach has over someone, let it be known!

 

[BrawLBlazer]

I think this match-ups chart is fairly true. But, c'mon, not even one advantage for either Falcon or Ganon?!

 

[Morrigan]

There's a reason they're in the bottom

 

[Niko_K]

When IvanEva gets to my house I'll tell him to update

 

[Morrigan]

When IvanEva gets to my house I'll tell him to update

Yeah, while you're at it, kidnap him and chain him to the desk 'til he finishes EVERYTHING

 

[Undrdog]

The Pit match-ups aren't even close to accurate. ^_^

 

[ROOOOY!]

The Pit match-ups aren't even close to accurate. ^_^

No one's are.
xD

 

[Razmakazi]

Lol@peach having ONLY an advantage over olimar.

 

[SuSa]

Rob >> IC
IC << ROB

Rob is possibly the weirdest/hardest to CG (Hylian says this as well D , and easily outcamps and outreaches you. plus he's hard to KO unless you grab him -.-


just my opinion

 

[Yonder]

I'd appreciate if someone anwswered my question: WHY does Link have an advantage over Luigi?

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'd appreciate if someone anwswered my question: WHY does Link have an advantage over Luigi?

Haven't really analyzed the match-up so I suppose it's possible but...

I'll go with the default answer... THIS CHART IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF REALITY!

It's the creator's personal impressions, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Greenstreet]

It's best not to rely on this chart fully. It's not even close to entirely accurate.

 

[gantrain05]

o.O first time i've taken a look at this chart and.......i don't like it much. there are so many things wrong with this thing and just glancing through peaches matchups i noticed at least 8 of them were entirely wrong, how was this chart created again? it sure can't be through matchup discussions.

 

[Boxob]

Sonic still ***** Marth.

I challenge any Marth here.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Go face EL

 

[Nintendevil]

Rob >> IC
IC << ROB

Rob is possibly the weirdest/hardest to CG (Hylian says this as well D , and easily outcamps and outreaches you. plus he's hard to KO unless you grab him -.-


just my opinion

oh lawd I'd say even 4 now.

 

[IvanEva]

When IvanEva gets to my house I'll tell him to update

Ah, snap! I could have gotten you to sit down with me and go through EVERYTHING! Next time... (we also never got to play against each other )

It's best not to rely on this chart fully. It's not even close to entirely accurate.

You'd rely on a chart in a tournament? That sounds a bit unnerving, regardless of how "accurate" the chart may or may not be. Would you try less if your mains were considered at an advantage against your opponent? Would you switch to characters you haven't mastered if they had the advantage? Just as with tier lists, match-up charts should only be a very soft influence on your game, if any influence at all. They're more just for observation purposes.

 

[Greenstreet]

Did I say I'd rely on a chart for a tournament? Lol.

Any info, whether it has a soft influence or not, if inaccurate, should be treated with scrutiny.
I didn't refer to tournaments, using chars u don't main just coz the chart says to, or trying less because of an advantage.

They're more just for observation purposes.

Hence why it should not be fully relied upon...

 

[XienZo]

Matches are basically match-ups and how well you know them.
A chart is a list of all the matchups.
So its basically a list of info which tells you how to CP, a major aspect in Brawl.

Yes, you'd need a chart for a tournament if you didn't have or memorize the matchups.

If you did memorize the matchup, though, charts are useless.
Charts also determine if MK should be banned or not.
This chart was known to be too inaccurate so the major source of info for the ban became the char boards and Dan's thread.

 

[FifthRise]

i think that yoshi is equal to mk.

 

[Rawnie]

Meta knight=Yoshi

Yoshi is the only even match up for MK

 

[pastaboy]

lucas>>>>>>>>>>>diddy

 

[Justblaze647]

lucas>>>>>>>>>>>diddy

Never.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

*Glares at the MK checkmarks*

 

[IvanEva]

Charts also determine if MK should be banned or not.
This chart was known to be too inaccurate so the major source of info for the ban became the char boards and Dan's thread.

I'm pretty sure that neither the character boards nor Dan's thread (nor this one for that matter) have an impact on Metaknight's possible ban. That comes from tournaments and high level play (which are also what fuel the charts, threads, etc.).

The major sources of info (well, really, the ONLY source of info) for the ban are the really good players who have faced "impossible" Metaknights that keep them from advancing. For the majority of us (myself included) banning Metaknight or not has no real effect on how we'd place in a tournament since we're not 'at that level' just yet anyways.

 

[Snowstalker]

Zero Suit Samus DESTROYS Fox. See the matchup threads for both characters to find out why.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Zero Suit Samus DESTROYS Fox. See the matchup threads for both characters to find out why.

No need.

This is what the matchup goes like.
Fox: *Tries to WOP with Dair/nair/Fair/anything*
Zamus: LoL *Dsmshes until Fox is dead*

 

[XienZo]

I'm pretty sure that neither the character boards nor Dan's thread (nor this one for that matter) have an impact on Metaknight's possible ban. That comes from tournaments and high level play (which are also what fuel the charts, threads, etc.).

The major sources of info (well, really, the ONLY source of info) for the ban are the really good players who have faced "impossible" Metaknights that keep them from advancing. For the majority of us (myself included) banning Metaknight or not has no real effect on how we'd place in a tournament since we're not 'at that level' just yet anyways.

Well the charts are used for:
1."MK has no bad matchups"
2."Yoshi is even on MK, stop being racist against dinosaurs."

Actually, thats how the thing started, but recently we've moved on to a completely different area, where we're debunking/proving that characters can stand up against MK. Which requires matchups and reasonings.

Trust me, the MK discussion moves all over the place.

 

[IvanEva]

lucas>>>>>>>>>>>diddy

I think you showed me that that's not the case.

Ok, I'll change the ZSS/Fox one. Should it be >> or just >?

 

[AfroThunderRule]

Wait, I don't get how the Bowser-Squirtle match up is neutral. >.>

Can someone please explain that to me?

 

[Justblaze647]

Wait, I don't get how the Bowser-Squirtle match up is neutral. >.>

Can someone please explain that to me?

2nded

10

 

[Greenpoe]

Lucario vs. Snake should be even. Lucario's F-smash>Snake's tilts. Lucario in the air>>>Snake. Both are heavy. Snake has a powerful aerial game, but Lucario's has lingering, large, and fast hitboxes, but Snake's ground game is great, so they're even. This thread backs my claim.

Also, Lucario vs. ROB is neutral (it is agreed by both the Lucario and ROB boards), and Lucario vs. Kirby is also neutral (it is agreed by both boards).

 

[gantrain05]

Lucario vs. Snake should be even. Lucario's F-smash>Snake's tilts. Lucario in the air>>>Snake. Both are heavy. Snake has a powerful aerial game, but Lucario's has lingering, large, and fast hitboxes, but Snake's ground game is great, so they're even. This thread backs my claim.

Also, Lucario vs. ROB is neutral (it is agreed by both the Lucario and ROB boards), and Lucario vs. Kirby is also neutral (it is agreed by both boards).

yeah, i dunno about that lucario vs snake being neutral. basically snake can just Nade camp and nikita spam you to force you to approach him, and lucario is pretty bad at approaching snake, if you come in with a Dair snake will Utilt you, or if you come in with any arial really. and snake doesn't really have many problems killing heavy characters. its not really a "bad" matchup for lucario, but its definatley not even, i'd say 60-40 snake.

 

[Xeelan]

I'm sorry, it's possible that i'm wrong, but i'm a Bowser player and some of the match ups of him surprise me.

I disagree with Ike>Bowser I think it's Ike = Bowser
Bowser has a good range in the air and his fire and B up is hard to escape.

I thought DDD= Bowser because their aerials are nearly the same but perhaps the infinite chaingrab is the real reason.

I just dont understand why Samus >> Bowser, she nearly cannot kill him, because she was too nerfed. I better think Bowser > Samus.

In the same thought, Zss hardly can kill Bowser and Bowser is better in the air, even if he is more fat.
So I think, Bowser > Zss.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

 

[Face124]

I found it hard to read Lucario's without accidentaly reading someone elses.

 

[Justblaze647]

@Face124: I <3 ur sig!

 

[M15t3R E]

Does IvanEva ever check his own thread anymore?
I asked him to change a couple things to comply with different character boards' match-up threads, and he never responded.