V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
lmao, No worries, just use a Timer ball after all of the Ultra's don't work and you'll be set! =p
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Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!
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soju
SD God
._. i dont remember any timer balls in red version XD
shouldnt have wasted my darned master ball on those teleporting abras
shouldnt have wasted my darned master ball on those teleporting abras
AXE 09
Smash Master
wow dude i suck lol. i meant to say 16 haha
why would you play a character with a dildo as a tail? pick pikachu! he's way more cute!
Vman sux
lolololabra was like the only pokemon i DIDN'T catch just cuz of that stupid teleport -_- darn him lol._. i dont remember any timer balls in red version XD
shouldnt have wasted my darned master ball on those teleporting abras
ICG: yeah i just read in the guide, and it says that pichu has only 16 angles. i seriously don't think that's right... i'm gonna do some more research
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
no you really want to play as pichu, pichu is your freind obey your master, ppiiiichu.
I'm about to go into detail, but I could believe that, wtf I drew that on paper.. I just checked it doesn't seem likke it worked
I used to play Mewtwo, but now I play Pikachu
they're both pretty cool tbh, it's just that Pikachu's so much better
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
^ agreed.......however Mewtwo will always be more Bad@ss! <censor dodging FTW
=p K anyway back on topic everyone so umm yeah, uhh Axe's Pikachu pretty beast. =D
=p K anyway back on topic everyone so umm yeah, uhh Axe's Pikachu pretty beast. =D
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
you have sooooooo much to learn about spamming topics about your favorite chartcer and pulling it off so well people forget wait this the pikachu boards why the F*** is that here.
also saying back on topic doesn't help this is how you should've said that your saying to get away with it better.
yeah m2 will aaallwaayyys be more BADA**
but yeah axe is to good ti be called a beast he's like some kind of super beast.
that was smoother but yeah you have to be like a ninja so the mods don't get you. LOL if a mod read that that isn't victa.
also saying back on topic doesn't help this is how you should've said that your saying to get away with it better.
yeah m2 will aaallwaayyys be more BADA**
but yeah axe is to good ti be called a beast he's like some kind of super beast.
that was smoother but yeah you have to be like a ninja so the mods don't get you. LOL if a mod read that that isn't victa.
soju
SD God
pshh but you cant attack out of pichu's taunt, so im going to stick with pika
even though i really like pichu's ability to walljump >.<
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
yes you can attack out of pichu's taunt same frame data as pikachu's but with more powersheilding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8M9WqCvCk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8M9WqCvCk
soju
SD God
oh snap o w o
i think you may have convinced me to have a double main XD
i think you may have convinced me to have a double main XD
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
to blow your main even more... that's when I sucked really bad I thought pichu ***** falco as much as the ice climbers freeze glitch.
soju
SD God
=w= it wont blow it as bad as when i tried to double main yoshi and pikachu, at least pika and pichu had some similaritys XD
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
no, i've played pichu vs marth/sheik and I think it's impossible to be both good as pichu/pikachu. I am total trash as pikachu and i've heard many pikachu players say they can't play as pichu.
I think they are the hardest clones to play as together, for some messed up reason.
but i'm getting really good at convincing people to play as pichu, I know I got jelly to play as pichu and a few other people. yeah i've taken this pichu topic way to far in the pikachu boards to get things at least close to topic.
this is as close to on topic as it gets.
i'll go before I do any more damage to the pikachu boards
I think they are the hardest clones to play as together, for some messed up reason.
but i'm getting really good at convincing people to play as pichu, I know I got jelly to play as pichu and a few other people. yeah i've taken this pichu topic way to far in the pikachu boards to get things at least close to topic.
this is as close to on topic as it gets.
i'll go before I do any more damage to the pikachu boards
Rappster
Smash Ace
that is epic.
i'll go before I do any more damage to the pikachu boards
icg, your posts make my day brighter
indigestible_wad
Smash Lord
Badass on the swear filter is not that hard to get around.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
that's because my day is alreadly bright so i share it with everyone I can have you ever read my sig.?
also I didn't draw that is case you weren't wordering.
also is icg
isn't counting great?!
but only I am cheerful enough to play as pichu seriously
sauc3
Smash Lord
yo, ive been trying to learn the pikachu gimps on spacies, and i know the general area of the uair that spikes, but i find it impossible to consistenly hit the spacey with the part that spikes. Is there a special trick you use to line up your pikachu so that it hits every time. For instance, say you drop directly beneath them, or directly diagonal to them, then jump and uair. Or you drop as low as you can, or as close as you can.
I know my wording is awful, but hopefully you get what I'm asking.
Also, is there a trick to up-B-ing to the ledge from the ground, when you go horizontal off stage, then go straight towards the ledge. I can do it every once in a while, but sometimes i just find myself back on stage, or i take too harsh an angle and miss and fall.
I'm not asking how to do these things, but rather how to do them more consistently, so please don't answer saying "you go to the right then left only slightly down."
I know my wording is awful, but hopefully you get what I'm asking.
Also, is there a trick to up-B-ing to the ledge from the ground, when you go horizontal off stage, then go straight towards the ledge. I can do it every once in a while, but sometimes i just find myself back on stage, or i take too harsh an angle and miss and fall.
I'm not asking how to do these things, but rather how to do them more consistently, so please don't answer saying "you go to the right then left only slightly down."
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
first time in like a year I touched pikachu for cassic mode(his combos are to easy) I landed a upair spike fairly easily. Just don't hit with the top part I geuss.
Up-B to side edge shouldn't be hard on most stages. just go right and then left and don't hit down, but I rarly do that becuase pichu has a better up-B trick
Up-B to side edge shouldn't be hard on most stages. just go right and then left and don't hit down, but I rarly do that becuase pichu has a better up-B trick
sauc3
Smash Lord
ugh, anyone else wanna try?
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
I'm sorry. I would check but I can't right now.
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
tips for up air, make sure you get it out a bit earlier than when you need it to hit, I think that is what most people's (as well as mine) problem is. Alot of times people will hit up on the c stick at the moment they are at the right position, like I said, just make sure you get it out early. try hiting the up air the instant after you jump, because yes you should be below them and then go for the jump uair spike. At least its easier for me that way.
for up b, its easiest to do when you jump and then do it half way up your jump. I know you are trying to do it straight from the ground, and yea you would get to the ledge a bit quicker that way, but just try getting the muscle memory down for now by jumping a little and then doing it. Cuase your thumb will do what your eyes see, and if your eyes see that your not much above the ledge, you won't intend on it, but your thumb won't go downward usually untill you train it enough, but if it sees your high up, it will go down. Just try it the easy way till you get the muscle memory down, then it should be cake.
for up b, its easiest to do when you jump and then do it half way up your jump. I know you are trying to do it straight from the ground, and yea you would get to the ledge a bit quicker that way, but just try getting the muscle memory down for now by jumping a little and then doing it. Cuase your thumb will do what your eyes see, and if your eyes see that your not much above the ledge, you won't intend on it, but your thumb won't go downward usually untill you train it enough, but if it sees your high up, it will go down. Just try it the easy way till you get the muscle memory down, then it should be cake.
AXE 09
Smash Master
Ah yes, tail spiking a spacey, one of my favorite things to do 
lol
I'm not sure if this will help, but i'll try my best to explain. If I'm correct, you're asking about trying to Tailspike a spacey out of the start of their up-b, correct? While they're charging up their fire?
well... The best position for it (IMO) is to drop below them, then double jump upwards and tailspike them. Sometimes if you feel you don't have enough time to do that, you can run off the stage, fast fall, and do a falling Tailspike, but that takes a bit more practice.
Anyways, when (i'll use Falco for this example) Falco is charging his up-b, and you fall below him about to double jump and tailspike, make sure your positioning is correct. What works best for me is to position myself so that he is directly above and slightly in front of me. Let's say... if directly above pikachu is 90 degrees, then i'll want the falco to be at about 80 or 75 degrees. When you do the double jump tailspike, what helps me is to try to hit him with almost the tip of my tail. I usually will try to hit him with pretty much the outter most part of my tail. But this doesn't mean you have to over do it. I guess... to be more accurate, you should hit him somewhere between the absolute tip of your tail, and the middle of your tail. So almost at the tip, but not quite. You can hit him even when he's closer to your body, but just be careful. If he's too close, then you'll get the 1st hitbox (which sends him upwards). If he's too far in front of you, then you'll get the 4th hitbox (flinging him behind you, which means he'll be able to tech the stage, or even still live just by doing his up-b again). If he's even the slightest bit behind you and you hit him with the tip of your tail, you'll probably get the reverse tailspike (which... i GUESS still works, but you still don't want this).
If it helps, you can drop directly below Falco (or Fox), then do your double jump backwards, then tailspike. My biggest problem before I could get this down was not falling far enough, resulting in inaccurate tailspikes (which sometimes did the tailspike, but other times made him go in a random direction). You probably need to drop further below Falco than you might think.
As far as quick attacking to the edge from the stage... Honestly, I find it easier to pull off when I do a small jump before I start my quick attack. So pretty much, I'll press up (which will make pikachu jump), then as soon as pikachu leaves the ground (so he's like BARELY off the floor), I'll perform the sweetspot. This is still pretty much as fast as when you do it standing on the stage. I can still do it while pikachu's still on the stage, but like 10% 0r 15% of the time, i'll miss it, whereas if i jump first, i'll miss it almost 0% of the time. You don't have to jump first, but I do and it seems to work slightly better, so you should try it out too just to see how it is.
Also more about the sweetspot... the angles I do are pretty simple. The first zip goes completely horizontal. The second zip goes at a 45 degree angle downwards in the opposite direction. Make sure that AS SOON AS your second zip starts, let go of the control stick, or you might bypass the edge (because holding down makes it so you won't grab the edge, and sometimes your controller will count the 45 degree downwards angle as you still pressing down, so you'll still end up missing the edge). Just practice, and you'll get it =)
lolI'm not sure if this will help, but i'll try my best to explain. If I'm correct, you're asking about trying to Tailspike a spacey out of the start of their up-b, correct? While they're charging up their fire?
well... The best position for it (IMO) is to drop below them, then double jump upwards and tailspike them. Sometimes if you feel you don't have enough time to do that, you can run off the stage, fast fall, and do a falling Tailspike, but that takes a bit more practice.
Anyways, when (i'll use Falco for this example) Falco is charging his up-b, and you fall below him about to double jump and tailspike, make sure your positioning is correct. What works best for me is to position myself so that he is directly above and slightly in front of me. Let's say... if directly above pikachu is 90 degrees, then i'll want the falco to be at about 80 or 75 degrees. When you do the double jump tailspike, what helps me is to try to hit him with almost the tip of my tail. I usually will try to hit him with pretty much the outter most part of my tail. But this doesn't mean you have to over do it. I guess... to be more accurate, you should hit him somewhere between the absolute tip of your tail, and the middle of your tail. So almost at the tip, but not quite. You can hit him even when he's closer to your body, but just be careful. If he's too close, then you'll get the 1st hitbox (which sends him upwards). If he's too far in front of you, then you'll get the 4th hitbox (flinging him behind you, which means he'll be able to tech the stage, or even still live just by doing his up-b again). If he's even the slightest bit behind you and you hit him with the tip of your tail, you'll probably get the reverse tailspike (which... i GUESS still works, but you still don't want this).
If it helps, you can drop directly below Falco (or Fox), then do your double jump backwards, then tailspike. My biggest problem before I could get this down was not falling far enough, resulting in inaccurate tailspikes (which sometimes did the tailspike, but other times made him go in a random direction). You probably need to drop further below Falco than you might think.
As far as quick attacking to the edge from the stage... Honestly, I find it easier to pull off when I do a small jump before I start my quick attack. So pretty much, I'll press up (which will make pikachu jump), then as soon as pikachu leaves the ground (so he's like BARELY off the floor), I'll perform the sweetspot. This is still pretty much as fast as when you do it standing on the stage. I can still do it while pikachu's still on the stage, but like 10% 0r 15% of the time, i'll miss it, whereas if i jump first, i'll miss it almost 0% of the time. You don't have to jump first, but I do and it seems to work slightly better, so you should try it out too just to see how it is.
Also more about the sweetspot... the angles I do are pretty simple. The first zip goes completely horizontal. The second zip goes at a 45 degree angle downwards in the opposite direction. Make sure that AS SOON AS your second zip starts, let go of the control stick, or you might bypass the edge (because holding down makes it so you won't grab the edge, and sometimes your controller will count the 45 degree downwards angle as you still pressing down, so you'll still end up missing the edge). Just practice, and you'll get it =)
sauc3
Smash Lord
exactly what i was looking for actually, my problem was i kept hittting to close to the falco/fox, and it would usually send them through me allowing them to tech. Spacing it so the tip hits works perfectly, havn't missed one since. I'll have to work on the MM for the up B sweet spot, thanks a lot axe,
are you going to apex? i wanna re-money match you, but this time, pika dittos!
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
awwww happy bday Axe, and are you coming to BC Plays Melee in May too?
You're still unconfirmed for that ;D
Pika Bdays = best Bdays.
You're still unconfirmed for that ;D
Pika Bdays = best Bdays.
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
yay, happy birthday axe, how old you, 11?
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
by to hard I think you mean not really really good. so you have to be really good.
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
anthony if you give up I'm not your friend anymore (shakes fist)
pikachu's borring... lol, it might just be me, it just seems like all pikachu does is running around hoping u land an Uair/Nair in and get combos from it. Wavedash/dashdance back a lot to bait stuff. and getting sheild poked at least 5 times a match T.T, and don't forget getting CGed a lot too. Though, i enjoy watching Axe and Chad's pikachu a lot, its not a character for me .
AXE 09
Smash Master
Awesome man, glad to hear I could help
lol alright, let's do it! I'm like 99% going to Apex, so hopefully i'll see you all there!Yes! thanks man!!!! You freakin rock; I miss you dude
Haha thanks man =) sad to say, I'm most likely not gonna be able to make it to BC =(
LOL I'm 19 now haha
Fixed.
Don't quit Pikachu man! He's the greatest!!!! Honestly, I went through a phase like this too. I honestly started to get bored with pikachu. I really did. And honestly.... what sparked my love for the little rodent again was Genesis. After playing him so much at Genesis, I learned new tricks and just started to love playing him again. Idk what happened.
So.... for my birthday, all I did was play melee. I loved it
EDIT:
Oh! I almost forgot to discuss something with you guys.
So yesterday, I was thinking about the way pikachu can edge stall in 64. That is, after grabbing the edge, just letting go, double jumping (so you're above the edge), then up-b downwards for a sweetspot. In 64, Pikachu gets invincibility during the startup of his up-b, so he can stay invincible the entire time.
Here's a video for a reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN-4TwOnBZo
I tried to do this in Melee like a year ago, and it was way too hard. I kept bypassing the edge because I couldn't let go of Down fast enough.
But just yesterday, I decided to try it again. I was able to pull it off like 80% of the time. But I had to do it kind of slow. I had to like... double jump, then pretty much wait to the point where I am able to fastfall, THEN do the sweetspot. BUT I was able to do it. And I could tell that I was invincible for a good amount of it, but not all of it. Something tells me that you're able to do this fast enough to stay completely invincible the entire time, just like in ssb64. I'm gonna continue to practice this, and hopefully get it down one day.
The first thing I want to do though is test this out in training mode 1/4th speed. I'm gonna ask Tai to try to hit me out of it to see if you really do stay invincible the entire time. If this is possible (which it looks like it is), then I'm gonna try to practice this a lot, and hopefully make it a part of my gameplay.
EDIT:EDIT:
Also, I discovered something else...
Pikachu's Fair isn't the ONLY move for Pikachu that his fixed knockback
Pikachu's Dair hitbox when you hit the floor also has fixed knockback =)
Pikachu's Bair hitbox when you hit the floor does NOT have fixed knockback
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
LOL at axe figureing at the set-knockback. You know if his fair had like 4 more frames of stun pikachu could fair upair many people till decent percents.
try c-sticking away from the stage then up-B to it. I would think that is the fastest way. Also pikachu can't stall as good as other people beuase he gets no inv frames from up-B
I also figured you are 19.
Also axe if we make it to apex I really want to do one pikachu ditto(I really hate playing as pikachu), one pichu ditto(you say you suck as pichu), then my pichu vs your pikachu. Also don't lose unless it's dittos if you win as pichu you are legitly better than who you beat. and if it's cause you SD a bunch you just felt the powerful mindgames of pichu's taunt.
try c-sticking away from the stage then up-B to it. I would think that is the fastest way. Also pikachu can't stall as good as other people beuase he gets no inv frames from up-B
I also figured you are 19.
Also axe if we make it to apex I really want to do one pikachu ditto(I really hate playing as pikachu), one pichu ditto(you say you suck as pichu), then my pichu vs your pikachu. Also don't lose unless it's dittos if you win as pichu you are legitly better than who you beat.
and if it's cause you SD a bunch you just felt the powerful mindgames of pichu's taunt.tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
**** axe, I think I'm gonna learn the old fashion ledge stall now, gotta keep up with my charachter's meta game
Little England
Smash Master
Happy Birthday Axe! You might remember me (Jason) from Nice Shot Hugo, we talked in line before we registered.
When are you gunna give the Falco boards some wisdom? <3urFalco
When are you gunna give the Falco boards some wisdom?
<3urFalco
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Do you mean up, up? I don't know I know you can go diagonal twice if you hold upper left/ right press B then smash that way again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31YNfVKVq0 I don't know if pikachu can do it and if he can it would be really hard.
AXE 09
Smash Master
lol ICG likes to be helpful on every forum.
And honestly, I have no clue o.O I've seen Pikachu go strait up twice with his up-b, but I never understood how it was done or anything. It was something like you have to be a certain distance/position away from the edge while you're offstage, but that never made any sense to me. I know that it's possible because I've seen it in a video (then again, a lot of videos are misleading, but the vid seemed legit). I need to know =(
And honestly, I have no clue o.O I've seen Pikachu go strait up twice with his up-b, but I never understood how it was done or anything. It was something like you have to be a certain distance/position away from the edge while you're offstage, but that never made any sense to me. I know that it's possible because I've seen it in a video (then again, a lot of videos are misleading, but the vid seemed legit). I need to know =(
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
I would guess it's something like meteor canceling. Where you have to reset the stick to neutral before hitting up again. I just think the timing is much more strict than pichu's is (lol at me bringing up pichu just like ICG).