otg
Smash Master
Matchups don't work like that at all.
DJN getting off with that propika/prosamus status. Akuma all dai son.
and PS: on a random note, I know EXACTLY what n64 is thinking right now, lol sup andy?
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Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!
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DJN getting off with that propika/prosamus status. Akuma all dai son.
and PS: on a random note, I know EXACTLY what n64 is thinking right now, lol sup andy?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I still don't get how Pika can do better than Fox in that match-up. I mean, I know Pika has a better recovery, but Fox is Fox.
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
I still don't get how this thread doesn't have more pages yet. I mean, Fox is fun and sort of cute too sure, but Pika is Pika.
Pikachu's uair gimps better than Fox's shine because of the spacing (Fox usually just eats an upB when he tries to shinespike, wtf is samus gonna do about pika's tailspike?). Pikachu's usmash kills earlier, especially with thunder.
Samus is good at not eating the stuff Fox does well. She gets out of shield pressure. She gets out of uthrow combos. The only thing you can really consistently get out of a waveshine is a grab, which as we said before, doesn't really combo into aerial of choice like on most of the cast. She doesn't put herself in the air often where Fox can land random usmashes. It's weird.
tbh, I usually don't agree with DJN on Pikachu matchup stuff cause we play him so very differently, but I'm with him on this. I think Pikachu sorta gives Samus the business.
Samus is good at not eating the stuff Fox does well. She gets out of shield pressure. She gets out of uthrow combos. The only thing you can really consistently get out of a waveshine is a grab, which as we said before, doesn't really combo into aerial of choice like on most of the cast. She doesn't put herself in the air often where Fox can land random usmashes. It's weird.
tbh, I usually don't agree with DJN on Pikachu matchup stuff cause we play him so very differently, but I'm with him on this. I think Pikachu sorta gives Samus the business.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Can't Samus CC all of Pika's moves until 10 billion percent?
thunder jolt her, and when she starts doing things besides just sitting in crouch, she can't CC uair (she can if she's just standing there I think, but if she's in a move or WD and tries to CC, I think she falls over).
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
Its never been said that Pikachu does better against Samus than Fox. Its obvious that Fox does better against Samus than Pikachu because exactly what you just said, "Fox is Fox". Although Pikachu does **** Samus.
It doesn't matter if we play him differently. I have the most different playing style with every character than anyone. If you know how to play Pikachu effectively with your playing style and know matchups well with him, you're good. But yes, Pikachu gives Samus the business like I said.
-Chad-
Slackerator
I kinda doubt it, I don't get many vids :x
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
he really doesn't get many vids, but he does in fact have some vs strawhat at p4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R42utsY7ZmI
and marth matchup is easy, all you gotta do is not bait things, have a really bad sence of marths spacing, and CP yoshi's.
speaking of yoshi's, what are people's feelings on yoshies, like at smym, I banned yoshi's every chance I got, including against a peach and samus, cause I hate that map so much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R42utsY7ZmI
and marth matchup is easy, all you gotta do is not bait things, have a really bad sence of marths spacing, and CP yoshi's.
speaking of yoshi's, what are people's feelings on yoshies, like at smym, I banned yoshi's every chance I got, including against a peach and samus, cause I hate that map so much
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
I doubt there's a smasher in the world that hates Yoshi's more than I do lol.
AXE 09
Smash Master
yoshi's is my absolute LEAST favorite stage... with pikachu at least lol. i almost always ban it if i plan on playing pikachu. idk, it seems like it'd be good for pikachu since it has such a low ceiling, but i absolutely hate it for some reason =/
i think it's alright for falco, but i hate it so much with pika lol
a huge reason is...
you can't fall low at all. if you try to go too low for a tailspike, or dropzone dair or something, you'll most likely die, and i feel like that's a huge part of my game. on yoshi's, whenever i get someone off the stage when i'm pikachu, they get back most of the time, so i just plain avoid that stage hehe
i think it's alright for falco, but i hate it so much with pika lol
a huge reason is...
you can't fall low at all. if you try to go too low for a tailspike, or dropzone dair or something, you'll most likely die, and i feel like that's a huge part of my game. on yoshi's, whenever i get someone off the stage when i'm pikachu, they get back most of the time, so i just plain avoid that stage hehe
-Chad-
Slackerator
I'm a pretty strong contender for that title.
I would've beaten M2K's Marth on that stage had it not been for the cloud saving him at least twice at Event 52
and how exactly are you planning on hitting your usmashes?
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
dude, I feel more comfortable as puff on yoshi's rather than pika, no lie, and chad and djn, I will fight for that title, cept on yoshis ;-)
-Chad-
Slackerator
Puff vs Pika is horrible for Pika.
Take all the stuff that Fox has that allows him to fight Jiggs (main things being a LASER and u-throw u-air) and take that all away.
You now have Puff vs Pika.
Take all the stuff that Fox has that allows him to fight Jiggs (main things being a LASER and u-throw u-air) and take that all away.
You now have Puff vs Pika.
AXE 09
Smash Master
so i "kinda" discovered something the other day.
based on the new discovery that smashing forward b makes pikachu's forward b go further....
i was thinking "does that make him fly further when it's fully charged too?"
well sad to say, it doesn't make him go any further when you fully charge it. it'll go the exact same distance as when you don't smash forward b
BUT
if you smash forward b, it does reduce the amount of time needed to charge it up all the way by about 1/2 a second
yes, i know, this is pretty much useless =( but i just thought i'd share it with you guys anyways lol
based on the new discovery that smashing forward b makes pikachu's forward b go further....
i was thinking "does that make him fly further when it's fully charged too?"
well sad to say, it doesn't make him go any further when you fully charge it. it'll go the exact same distance as when you don't smash forward b
BUT
if you smash forward b, it does reduce the amount of time needed to charge it up all the way by about 1/2 a second
yes, i know, this is pretty much useless =( but i just thought i'd share it with you guys anyways lol
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
How Do I Beat Dr. PP in Falco Dittoes?
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Oh wait, Wrong thread.
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Oh wait, Wrong thread.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Ok, I went to look for Axe's Falco Thread, but I didn't find it, so my question stands.
<3 Axe
<3 Axe
Lordydennek
Smash Ace
Im starting to pick up pikachu and i checked the guide but it seems outdated...a lot. is there another guide anywhere?
also
What throws are best vs. floaties/ffers/sheik.
also
What throws are best vs. floaties/ffers/sheik.
tdk_Samurai
Smash Ace
yea, someone needs to atleast refurbish a guide, and someone needs to make a video tutorial just like how top tiers have one.
and floaties, umm down throw is usually best, cept at low percents uthrow is alright, and bthrow is an option on everyone if your near the ledge to get an edge gaurd going.
FF, u throw combos into whatever you want
shiek, umm, the throw that makes you go back to the character selection screen, go falcon or link or someone with a better matchup....or the throw that turns you into N64? But srsly, I like the dthrow, uthrow is okay at low percents, b throw is best if you can get an edge gaurd going. Which I like to be near the ledge anyways, so thats usually what I do.
and floaties, umm down throw is usually best, cept at low percents uthrow is alright, and bthrow is an option on everyone if your near the ledge to get an edge gaurd going.
FF, u throw combos into whatever you want
shiek, umm, the throw that makes you go back to the character selection screen, go falcon or link or someone with a better matchup....or the throw that turns you into N64? But srsly, I like the dthrow, uthrow is okay at low percents, b throw is best if you can get an edge gaurd going. Which I like to be near the ledge anyways, so thats usually what I do.
N64
Smash Champion
A lot of the time, which throw you use depends on the situation. Opponent's char, opponent's percent, stage position, and gauging how they will react to each throw all goes into choosing which one. The best way is to experiment, but here's what I'll uuuuusually do.
Floaties - You often honestly can't do much to floaties from a throw. Dthrow can be nice at low percents, as you can usually follow with a nair, another aerial, or occasionally techchase. Watch out for some floaties to try to nair you out of this though, as you won't have enough time to do anything other than sheild really before their nair comes out. If I think they're going to do this, though, I will occasionally dthrow, sheild asap, and then usmash out of shield after their aerial hits my shield. Bthrow works well to get them off the stage, and a select few you can pseudo-chainthrow at low percents with fthrow. Uthrow doesn't often lead to much, but you can pretty much always hit with a uair after it until highish percents, so you can use that to uthrow->uair spike->follow.
FFers you're going to want to uthrow most often, as it leads to aerial combos, or usmash, or regrab if there aren't platforms, or a platform techchase option if there are. Bthrow is useful as well to get them off the stage and set up edgeguards. Fthrow occasionally serves to get them off the stage as well if you happen to grab them near the edge while facing it (but uthrow would usually be better), and dthrow only really sets up unreliable techases, so should be used sparingly.
Against sheik, I like pretty much every throw, but probably use bthrow and uthrow the most. Uthrow sets up platform techchases and some simple aerial combos (I looooove uthrow->dair). Bthrow again sets up edgeguards. Fthrow is weird and i usually use it to trip up sheiks after i've done other throws for a while, as fthrow->regrab can work if they're just focused on DIing the expected uthrow. Then you just uthrow them next as they attempt to DI the fthrow, and they get all mixed up. Dthrow I don't use much, but again it can set up techchases and sheik's tech is somewhat punishable, so it can net me a usmash or fsmash if I read right.
Floaties - You often honestly can't do much to floaties from a throw. Dthrow can be nice at low percents, as you can usually follow with a nair, another aerial, or occasionally techchase. Watch out for some floaties to try to nair you out of this though, as you won't have enough time to do anything other than sheild really before their nair comes out. If I think they're going to do this, though, I will occasionally dthrow, sheild asap, and then usmash out of shield after their aerial hits my shield. Bthrow works well to get them off the stage, and a select few you can pseudo-chainthrow at low percents with fthrow. Uthrow doesn't often lead to much, but you can pretty much always hit with a uair after it until highish percents, so you can use that to uthrow->uair spike->follow.
FFers you're going to want to uthrow most often, as it leads to aerial combos, or usmash, or regrab if there aren't platforms, or a platform techchase option if there are. Bthrow is useful as well to get them off the stage and set up edgeguards. Fthrow occasionally serves to get them off the stage as well if you happen to grab them near the edge while facing it (but uthrow would usually be better), and dthrow only really sets up unreliable techases, so should be used sparingly.
Against sheik, I like pretty much every throw, but probably use bthrow and uthrow the most. Uthrow sets up platform techchases and some simple aerial combos (I looooove uthrow->dair). Bthrow again sets up edgeguards. Fthrow is weird and i usually use it to trip up sheiks after i've done other throws for a while, as fthrow->regrab can work if they're just focused on DIing the expected uthrow. Then you just uthrow them next as they attempt to DI the fthrow, and they get all mixed up. Dthrow I don't use much, but again it can set up techchases and sheik's tech is somewhat punishable, so it can net me a usmash or fsmash if I read right.
-Chad-
Slackerator
u-throw -> d-air is probably the silliest thing I've ever learned from you n64. I was like "No way that works...what..holy he-what?"
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
Sorry Chad but definitely disagreeing with you on this. Pikachu is one of Jigglypuff's worst matchups, especially in teams. Hbox can vouch for me on this, especially when it comes to the teams part. Mango can vouch for me too as he told me he hates fighting Pikachu with Jiggs. In addition, many Jiggs players have told me they hate fighting Pikachu. Now I'm not basing my answer off of people hating on fighting Pikachu with Jiggs. It really is one of Jiggs' worst matchups.
AXE 09
Smash Master
are you serious? jiggs is my absolute worst matchup =/ i'd honestly rather fight sheik
logically, yes, pikachu should do really good cuz of his early kills with usmash, PLUS thunder to back it up.
but realistically...... no good jiggs player will let you usmash them. trust me, i've tried
<3 you reneblade!
logically, yes, pikachu should do really good cuz of his early kills with usmash, PLUS thunder to back it up.
but realistically...... no good jiggs player will let you usmash them. trust me, i've tried
<3 you reneblade!
lol @ "logically, yes"... If we can say that logically someone can do well in a matchup because they have a move that kills early, logically bowser should do really well vs. the whole cast cuz of his early kills with fsmash.are you serious? jiggs is my absolute worst matchup =/ i'd honestly rather fight sheik
logically, yes, pikachu should do really good cuz of his early kills with usmash, PLUS thunder to back it up.
but realistically...... no good jiggs player will let you usmash them. trust me, i've tried
<3 you reneblade!
I know that sounds like an overstatement, but with how good Jiggs players play nowadays, I feel like I might as well be trying to fsmash them with bowser when I'm looking for that usmash with Pikachu.
In teams, it's better cause you don't get ***** as hard offstage with Pikachu and random usmashes hit more, but in singles, there is no reliable way to kill Jiggs as Pikachu unless you DI a rest down, respawn and usmash the little ****.
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
Its not hard to get a Pikachu killing move like up-smash or f-smash on Jiggs, no matter how good the player is. There are different situations that can lead a Pikachu player to get those kill moves. For example, one of them is mindgames lol. I guess you guys just suck against Jiggs lol.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
I think I argee with DJ on this. I don't know if pikachu's know how to use there size uber well like how I do as pichu, but some times I can easily duck under her bairs it takes 9 frames to come out it's not like gannon's fair and if she didn't bair i wouldn't be punished of cousre if she bairs and it hits me it's not beinf auto canceled and I only do it when I don't think she will hit me. I also like to stay close or run away and random jolt her when it will land. When I stay close I sometimes nair or wd under her and up-smash(pikachu up-smash/wd range> pichu's).
However that's what seemed to work that and jump above her up-B below her when she attacks and punish her and if you launch her in the air randomly thunder you have a decent chance of hitting her. She may di into it or the other way.
I like to f-throw nair when I used it it seemed to work.
keep in mind these are just things that worked very well in the matchs I've had vs puff as pichu and i'm not saying i've fought many amazing puffs.
However that's what seemed to work that and jump above her up-B below her when she attacks and punish her and if you launch her in the air randomly thunder you have a decent chance of hitting her. She may di into it or the other way.
I like to f-throw nair when I used it it seemed to work.
keep in mind these are just things that worked very well in the matchs I've had vs puff as pichu and i'm not saying i've fought many amazing puffs.
-Chad-
Slackerator
I will mm any Pika vs my crappy Jiggs.
And win.
If you want to disagree, cool. But have some reasons besides "such and such hates fighting against Pika", "you guys suck lol". Jman hates fighting Pika and I'm pretty sure Fox STILL has the advantage in the matchup.
And win.
If you want to disagree, cool. But have some reasons besides "such and such hates fighting against Pika", "you guys suck lol". Jman hates fighting Pika and I'm pretty sure Fox STILL has the advantage in the matchup.
I dunno, probably me.
I also broke his shield this one time... shame that wasn't recorded
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I also broke his shield this one time... shame that wasn't recorded
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N64
Smash Champion
On average, pikachu players hate fighting other pikachu players. Definately means pika has the advantage against pika.
otg
Smash Master
I know I've pulled that card before.
-Chad-
Slackerator
Kick him a bunch and not get him by his usmash. it's so gay.