Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I'm pretty sure you can't knock her up with up-air and you will be punished. dair has a lot of lag and I know she can punish a fox who shines a missle so i'm thinking she can punish that. I believe you could beat it with nair or bair or duck under the missles I know pichu can literly run under her missles most of the time so pikachu should be able to at least duck under them maybe duck to powersheild them back

 

[D. Disciple]

No you can ICC pop her up with uair, and if she crouch cancels it she'll just fall, and you'd be surprised about the dair beating missile and still being able to hit her. Punishing a shine isn't the same as punishing a dair, since you're still able to move while dairing through a missile. Ducking under it you can do even when you wavedash it, but utilizing all of it to weave to her closer is pretty good.

 

[DJ Nintendo]

Pikachu ***** Samus. True story.

 

[Dynamism?]

There must be SOMETHING Samus has that can break Pika!

Shield everything? LOL

 

[Mogwai]

Samus's success vs. Pikachu seems to be based entirely on wavedashing around and ftilting/fsmashing.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Like TDK and Mogwai said, use your ftilt and fsmash to pop her away.

DD, Mogwai was saying that Samus's F-tilt and F-smash are good against Pikachu. Not the other way around.

 

[AXE 09]

If samus crouches against pikachu's Uair, she will not fall down or be sent up in the air

however, if she's in the middle of any animation (say, she's in the lag of her downsmash) and you hit her with your Uair, even if they're holding down on the control stick, they'll still either fall down or get popped up in the air

in this matchup, i use CC down tilt A LOT. samus doesn't have many options if you crouch cancel. CC dsmash works wonders against her as well. this works against samus players who tilt/jab a lot. for samus players that just like to smash a lot, it's easy to just block their smash attack, waveshield and Usmash/Dsmash/grab/whatever-you-want. most samus players that i've faught against love to ftilt and jab a bunch. crouch canceling is so excellent against them

for this matchup, i like to try to stay on the ground, approaching with running dtilts for the most part.

for her missiles, you can crouch under most of them. if she does a standing smashed missile, you can duck under it. if she missile cancels at the lowest point before she hits the ground though, then you won't be able to duck under it, but your ftilt will beat it, and you can SWD through it (YES, you can SWD through samus's smashed missile if she missile cancels it as low to the ground as possible, but you cannot SWD through it if she just does a standing smashed missile).

i've never faught a samus who likes to dtilt though. i can imagine that if i fought one, they'd probably beat me, but i don't think that most samus players use it much, if at all. for samus players that like to Utilt, if i see it coming, i like to block the utilt, then waveshield CC dsmash. if they try to jab, i'll CC it and still downsmash. if they try to spotdodge, you'll still get them. if they Dsmash though, then you're screwed lol. but if they Dsmash right after their Utilt, you'll know to not try this anymore on that particular opponent


oh and also, this is a good video for all of you to watch =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWAEr5fsXCc

 

[DJ Nintendo]

I love d-tilting with Samus. Get at me Axe lol.

 

[D. Disciple]

Axe are you considering all of the angles of uair when you say she wont fall, or just going with the part that pops people up?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hey someone said somethingabout pikachu's bair's landing lag makeing him hard to grab i'm trying it with pichu but so far it only sometimes works on marth and pichu's bair should be lower

 

[Dynamism?]

lol DJN

Dtilt is sexy.


Pikas ain't bad either

 

[AXE 09]

I love d-tilting with Samus. Get at me Axe lol.

darn you DJ lol. don't play samus against me please

Axe are you considering all of the angles of uair when you say she wont fall, or just going with the part that pops people up?

yes i am. none of the hitboxes will make her fall down or pop her in the air while she's crouching. try it for yourself, i've tested it

Hey someone said somethingabout pikachu's bair's landing lag makeing him hard to grab i'm trying it with pichu but so far it only sometimes works on marth and pichu's bair should be lower

the landing animation of pikachu's bair does, in fact, go under many character's grabs. i have no clue about pichu lol

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

List of who it works vs ? non L-canceled or L-canceled only?

 

[AXE 09]

it doesn't matter if it's L-cancelled or not, just as long as they grab you while you're in the animation of landing. if you don't L-cancel, it only makes the window greater of which you can't be grabbed, but that doesn't necessairly mean that it's a good thing to never L-cancel your Bair

i don't know all the characters that it works on, but i know from personal experience that it works on C. Falcon

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hmm i may try this on marth's

 

[tdk_Samurai]

HEY GUYS! GREAT NEWS! 3 pikas made it out of pools at smym11

I got ****ed up by darkrain and myztek first round of default and losers bracket, was so sweet, and if I remember correctly both n64 and chad won some sets, but I don't know for sure their actual placings

and man, n64 was literally the last pika I expected to see at smym, was so surprised

 

[AXE 09]

omg! what were the results???

hey, check it out, me vs m2k =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ASYbEmGPqs
(don't watch the last match *cries*)

 

[tdk_Samurai]

wow, I've been told that chad got 4th?! I'm sure he went fox alot though, still proud as **** either way will watch some time tomorrow axe

 

[AXE 09]

SERIOUSLY?!?!?!? omg good stuff chad!!! please post a link to the results thread whenever it's made

 

[Zig-Zag!]

I cant believe my freaking smash partner went to smym while I went to north and south carolina!!!!

Good job to n64 and chad...did chad go pika at all?

 

[-Chad-]

I went Pika some >_> but not nearly as much. Mostly Fox, but I couldn't beat Tom R with Fox :X which was weird so I ended up going Pika vs him haha..I dunno. A lot of Fox. Against Kels I shoulda done some Pika but it's whatever.

I'm just happy I did well

 

[tdk_Samurai]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=268814 here is the results
btw, I'm axe ketchum in singles. Get it? like axe and ash ketchum...you don't get it do you

also, good **** to chad for winning ten dollars, and I know what you mean, like there was this dk who 2 stocked my puff easy, so I went pika cause I didn't know what to do, and my pika did fine and won me the set that got me into bracket.

 

[AXE 09]

snaps! good stuff you guys!!

dang tdk, you had darkrain right off the bat? geez, that's tough lol. i love the name you used lmao!!! good stuff man! =D

dang, n64 could've done better, i bet he only lost by a small hair

chad, YOU BEAT DARKRAIN?!?!?!?!?!!?? OMG!!!!!!!!!

 

[tdk_Samurai]

thanks axe, literally everyone who I told that to said it was lame. They all used lame, no whack, no gay, just lame. But I thought it was a solid *** name. And yea, darkrain off the bat, but I'm glad I had him rather than any other first seed, like, he was one of the only falcon seeds and I didn't feel like playing my pika(or any char for that matter) against a fox, marth or shiek. And he was a pretty cool guy, who thought it was cool I played pika. I definitely recorded that set and it will be up tomorrow.

funny story, I told my crew and my brother crew I had darkrain first round and if they wanted to watch me get ***** where I'd be, and my friend said to ask chad advice on darkrain since he played him and took a game. So I go up to him and he opened his mouth said nothing and turned away, lol.

dang, n64 could've done better, i bet he only lost by a small hair

that hair was prolly smaller than pika's grab range too

 

[N64]

You guys shoulda seen my set vs. darkatma. it was probably the point in the tourney where I actually felt like I knew what i was doing. Why am I only good at the matchups I feel i should get ***** in >_> and bad at the rest lol.

Get at my pika v. sheiks.

Tourney was pretty ****. I had so many close matches. Like, literally, every set was down to the wire that i played. Except vs. cosmo heh. he owned me.

Good to meet you tdk, was fun teaming. And holy crap good **** chad. but yeah, i grats'd you in person. Pikapiiii

 

[tdk_Samurai]

Against Kels I shoulda done some Pika but it's whatever.

I was thinkin about this and was like wow, pika fox isn't exactly an easy matchup, but then after a while I was thinking, and I hear kels absolutely hates fox vs pika and DK, and you don't exactly wanna fox ditto one of the foxes. So yea, pika wouldn't have been a bad idea.

 

[-Chad-]

I was thinkin about this and was like wow, pika fox isn't exactly an easy matchup, but then after a while I was thinking, and I hear kels absolutely hates fox vs pika and DK, and you don't exactly wanna fox ditto one of the foxes. So yea, pika wouldn't have been a bad idea.

Yeah, normally I'm very very hesitant and nervous about Fox dittoing but I was feeling very good about it that day

 

[otg]

After playing with n64 pretty extensively, I think I can safely say Doc > Pika AT LEAST. It's most likely Doc >> Pika.

 

[DJ Nintendo]

Dr. Mario destroys Pikachu lol.

 

[AXE 09]

Dr. Mario is definitely one of pikachu's worst matchups, arguably the second worst matchup after sheik

you know what bugs me though?

according to the current matchup chart

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=257235

it says that Mario counters pikachu even more than Dr. Mario does.

what do you pika players think about this?

 

[indigestible_wad]

How useful is edge waveland with pikachu? I've seen it used occasionally, and I can do it, just not consistently. It seems like a bit too much trouble since pikachu doesn't really go that far anyway, but what do I know?

 

[tdk_Samurai]

@ axe - I think mario is worse than doc, and I wouldn't say doc is number 2, I don't feel like going into detail right now, I might later though, but you prolly have experience vs better docs and marios than i do

@ wad - the only time I've ever used it in game that wasn't practicing tech skill in between stocks was to throw of someone who wouldn't let me on the stage from the ledge, idk though, I'm sure there are other things, idk though

 

[KirbyKaze]

Dr. Mario destroys Pikachu lol.

Dr. Mario, Mario, and Luigi are not hard at all with Pikachu. Well for me anyways. I just nair them alot lol.

I'm so confused.

 

[N64]

I think they're about even in difficulty for pika. I mean, mario's dair is a little more annoying, their projectiles are about equally annoying, Mario ends throws with fsmash/usmash and doc ends them a little later with fair. Both matchups go about the same.

I tend to have slightly more trouble with marios personally, but that's probably because i've played against docs so much more often.

 

[otg]

I think they're about even in difficulty for pika. I mean, mario's dair is a little more annoying, their projectiles are about equally annoying, Mario ends throws with fsmash/usmash and doc ends them a little later with fair. Both matchups go about the same.

I tend to have slightly more trouble with marios personally, but that's probably because i've played against docs so much more often.

You seriously almost have TOO much doc practice. lol Honestly, one of the few people in the country that actually knows what to do vs. him.

 

[AXE 09]

How useful is edge waveland with pikachu? I've seen it used occasionally, and I can do it, just not consistently. It seems like a bit too much trouble since pikachu doesn't really go that far anyway, but what do I know?

it's VERY useful. if you can get it down, you can waveland onto the stage right after grabbing the ledge and you will still keep your invincibility and be able to do something before it ends. if you wanna do a ganon-like tactic, you can waveland and roll immediately right after, and you will be invincible throughout the entire thing (with the exception of the end of the roll, of course). but yes, this is VERY useful and i try to do it almost every time after grabbing the edge.


and as for mario vs doc... i honestly feel like they're evenly difficult for me. and if i would have to put one of them above the other, i would say doc is harder, mostly because i find his projectile to be extremely annoying and his Fair scares me lol.

but the main point of me asking was to see what you guys think:

is the matchup chart correct? do you guys find mario harder to fight than doc?

i honestly feel like they should have them both counter pikachu equally, not mario being a harder counter than doc

 

[otg]

The only reason its Doc > Pika is because Dogy's opinions were the basis for like all of Doc's matchups and thats his opinion. But as you can see, everyone else agrees that its >> so we should just go in there and correct them (or do nothng, cause frankly who gives a ****).

 

[DJ Nintendo]

I'm so confused.

I guess you skipped the part where I said, "Well for me anyway." Me personally, I don't find Dr. Mario, Mario and Luigi hard at all when I fight them with Pikachu. Although in general, Dr. Mario and Mario are among Pikachu's worst/annoying matchups and give Pikachu a hard time.

I'm not sure who's worst against Pikachu, but I guess I'll say Dr. Mario. They both have their gayness against Pikachu. Mario is more of a combo character than Doc, his f-smash is really good against Pikachu, his fireballs are good but not as annoying and damage dealing as Doc's, and of course he's faster than Doc.

Dr. Mario's pills are more damage dealing and definitely annoying as he can do the "Akuma Approach" lol. OTG knows what I'm talking about . Doc's jab to d-smash is even more gay to Pikachu than Mario's. His fair of course is mad powerful. His cape is really gay as its bigger, puts more damage than Mario's cape, and it goes below stage to hit Pikachus up-b'ing to the ledge.

 

[otg]

Yo its all about the Akuma son.

 

[Zig-Zag!]

DESTROYS pika? I dunno...I have a lot of doc training, and though its tough, he is gimpable to the extreme. I think there are a handfull of harder matchups than doc, personally. The three marios just require a special approach, in my opinion.

Truth, it isnt necessarily easy.

edit: also, n64, darkatma is in my crew, so I may have made it a step more difficult for you - sorry. Im really proud of all the pikas at smym, and Im suffering post smym depression for having missed it currently :/