Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!

[Linguini]

Lol ICG. Well, would you happen to know how going the same direction twice works? I'm gonna try my hardest to figure it out when I have time. I have a LOT of school work to do, so I'm not gonna be able to play any melee until Tuesday or Wednesday. After Tuesday... I think that I'm gonna start training harder than ever. I feel so determined to become the best

Oh and ICG, If you wanna save your 3,333rd post, you can just edit the last post you made in this thread.


Alright guys... So at the last tourney that I went to yesterday, I ended up getting 3rd under Forward and GamerGuitarist7. To make things short, I think that I made a conclusion...

I don't want to keep playing Falco as much as I have been. All I want to do now is just work on my Pikachu. I think that in tournament, I'm only gonna use falco for Sheik and IC's. Otherwise, I want to exclusively use Pikachu now. My falco normally doesn't get me any further in any matches than my Pikachu would, and I feel like I would be better with Pika right now if I had just put more time into him, instead of my Falco.

Forward and everyone else seems to be pretty confident that it's impossible for me to be the best in AZ with Pikachu. Well, I want to prove that I can be the best. Not with Falco or any other character. My point is... I'm gonna start working on Pikachu more than ever now to try to become the best. I'm gonna prove that I can become better than Forward with him, and hopefully accomplish my dream of becoming the best in the world. I understand that it's important to keep Falco for matchups that Pikachu can't handle, so I'll still keep my Falco sharp, but I don't think I'm going to play him nearly as much as I usually do anymore. I'm gonna play Pikachu every chance I get now and become the best.

Man...don't listen to sean when he goes on about that nonsense. I remember when he was staying in FL for a couple weeks. All he would do was tell me playing ganon was a waste of time,and that if I wanted to get anywhere I had to main high tier lol. He almost succeeded in brainwashing me, but thankfully I stuck to ganon.

I agree with you though, stick to Pikachu, your pretty ****ing disgusting haha

 

[AXE 09]

I want to clap and cry at the same time. Axe is my hero.

Axe, good sh*t on your decision. Who cares what anyone says. Just aim to be the best with the character you love and enjoy playing with. Its definitely not impossible. Its the same thing for me with Samus. I'm just using Samus and having Pikachu and Fox as my backups.

Lets both prove to everyone that we can be the best in the world!!!

Thanks you guys =) I just... want to prove that pikachu can make it to the top. I want to prove that you don't have to pick a high/top tier character to be the best. I will practice my heart out with pikachu, and I promise that I will become better and continue to place higher and higher at every tournament. DJ, i'm so glad you have my back on this. you're freakin awesome.

Does anybody understand how to make pikachu do a single quick attack stright up, but turn the other way? I think that you either have to hold the control stick just barely to the side, or else it's one specific frame where it's just at the right place. I do this fairly often when I'm practicing my down angled quick attacks, and I've played around with it a little bit, but I'm still not one hundred percent sure how this happens. It does have its uses, as it would take less time to do this right under the ledge if you're facing the wrong way than to do a double quick attack, or possibly for mindgame potential.

I've had this happen to me ONCE. And after I did it one time, I thought the exact same thing. I know that it can be useful and I would very much like to know how to do it. Does anyone know? Dang, there's so much stuff with pikachu that i don't know about... I'm determined right now more than ever to become the best with pikachu. I want to learn every technique

 

[soju]

I'm a little curious where exactly the hitbox is for the 2nd hit with pikachu's down air is when he hits the ground?



And I support you all the way Axe and I'll try my best to catch up so I can get close to your level or even at it(wishful thinking XD), so you can have another pikachu to play against to help you learn more ^^ XDD

I've been learning a lot every day, new combos, better edgeguards, so watch your back Axe, who knows there may be a new Pika in town >X)

 

[AnDaLe]

Axe and pikachad should get together and discuss pika's tactics

 

[tdk_Samurai]

anthony - isn't that what were all doing in this thread

axe - your our hero, and idk but I kinda already consider you like tied for the best in az. like that one tourney you went to a while back you beat forward in brackets, and got 3rd. So if you go back and forth with someone I would say your tied. Idk about how well you do against taj though.

 

[indigestible_wad]

I've had this happen to me ONCE. And after I did it one time, I thought the exact same thing. I know that it can be useful and I would very much like to know how to do it. Does anyone know? Dang, there's so much stuff with pikachu that i don't know about... I'm determined right now more than ever to become the best with pikachu. I want to learn every technique

I seriously do it all the time on accident. I'm pretty sure you have to have a very small tilt in the opposite direction, but not enough to make you go in that direction. I'm also fairly confident I've pulled it off a couple times when I practiced it, but the amount of tilt you have to get is so small, it's hard to distinguish if you're actually tilting the control stick or not.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hey axe I was going to make an uber WTf huge in depth guide about pichu detailing every bit of non mindgame info I have to offer, but telling you this is more important.

If pichu is in my option in no way unable to overcome anything than pikachu shhould be able to overcome anything even more so. We also both know i'll end up discovering new things and teaching you them and I know i'll end up being to F***ing good. Happy 3333rd post

 

[soju]

Hey axe I was going to make an uber WTf huge in depth guide about pichu detailing every bit of non mindgame info I have to offer, but telling you this is more important.

Awww I sorta want to see that In-depth guide of Pichu now XDD

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Don't worry I still have to talk about how pichu's up-B is so fast he is normally immue to falcon/gannon's side -B and puff's sing.

It will also be color coded.

 

[soju]

WOAH! COLOR CODED?!?!
It must be the real deal XD

 

[ChivalRuse]

Nice title, ICG.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Nice title for what Ice cube guy?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Custom title: "won't shut up about pichu"

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

It's way to true.

Posting is certainly helping U

 

[Rappster]

pika's fthrow seems to chaingrab certain characters at low percents (until it makes them fall). Is this a legit cg?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

On peach till like 8% but it's it's legit in the idea that people make mistakes. never use it vs fox/falco/falcon I mean even near a ledge you shouldn't f-throw d-throw/up-throw are better to use because you can tech chase them to an attack and knock them off or hit them when they Di away.

It's like 1.3 times more legit as pichu but even I know it's not that wise to use.

Also vs puff f-throw to nair is pretty good.

 

[AnDaLe]

Question: Is the Uthrow CG on Falcon escapable on FD? I can't seem to get it when the Falcon DIs foward.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Not till really high percents maybe if you Died up and air dodged out at high percents. In truth I think falcon is easier to chain throw than fox not DIing compared to falcon DIing. But pikachu/pichu should easily be able to 0-death you before you can get out.

HOWEVER no one has ever gone into detail to test so keep that in mind. Also pikachu has the best pummel in the game 2 extra frames of stun and it's ted with pichu for being the fastest and it's disjointed

 

[indigestible_wad]

Disjointed matters a lot for pummeling.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I could see the use vs ice climbers or in teams

 

[AXE 09]

WOWOWOW ok.... So I was very curious about doing your up-b only once upwards, and then somehow be able to turn around during that 1 zip. Well it turns out...

When you press up-b, BEFORE you take off for your first zip, you must lightly (and I mean VERY lightly) tilt the control stick in the opposite direction you are facing. If you do it right, you will go upwards and end up facing the other way. I can see this being useful, but it's very tricky to get down.

I can do it pretty well in training mode with the speed set to 1/4, but doing it in normal speed is very hard for me.

I also spent A LOT of time trying to find out how to go Upwards twice with your quick attack, but no luck. I tried everything I could think of... including trying things with this new turn-around technique. I thought maybe if you turn around during the first zip, then you can go upwards on the second one. But no luck... Then I thought maybe if you tilt the control stick in another direction (i.e. tilting it downwards, but very lightly so you will still go up) THEN press Up right after your first zip, then it'll work. Sadly still no luck there. I KNOW there's a way. I've seen it before. I wish I favorited the vid in which I saw it in a long time ago.


EDIT


OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just did it!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhh!!! but... I don't know EXACTLY what I did, but I know I'm on the right track. I have a feeling that it has something to do with turning around during your quick attack, so it has something to do with some crazy tilting stuff.

NOTE:

I did NOT press any buttons at all except for B one time, which was just for pressing up-b. I ONLY inputed directions, no buttons. I was getting really frustrated, so I decided to just do a bunch of random directions (which I think ALL of them except for the initial pressing up-b were TILTS). I'm PRETTY SURE that I only tilted left and right. I Think that I was tilting the control stick rapidly from left to right after I pressed up-b, but I'm not 100% positive. Also, I'm in training mode under 1/4 speed. I tried doing it again for about 5 minutes, but I couldn't do it again. Now that I've pulled this off 1 time, I really REALLY wanna figure this out.

EDIT:EDIT:

Just pulled it off a second time. This time I made sure that I only solely used tilts. Before I took off for the first zip, I tilted my control stick opposite where I was facing so I would turn around during the first zip. Right after I took off for the first zip, I gently rotated the control stick, so it just registered a bunch of very slight tilts. For some reason, it went upwards a second time. I'm not sure if it's necessary to turn around during the first zip or not. I'm gonna try to do it using the same method without turning around now, just to see if it's possible.

Oh and I also forgot to say: Every time, I've been jumping before i start my quick attack. I'm not sure if you can do it from the floor or not. Man this is so freakin exciting lol.


EDIT:EDIT:EDITlol edit)

Alright... Pulled the double up-b off 2 more times. The first time, I was trying to do it without turning around during my first zip, but I couldn't do it. I gave up and started to always turn around, then I did it. As a note: unless I accidentally inputed another slight direction that I didn't mean to, I WAS ONLY TILTING LEFT/RIGHT. Which means that in order to do this technique, you only press Up Once, which is just for pressing the initial up-b. The rest is just tilting left and right.

The 4th time I did it, I actually did it WITHOUT turning around on the first zip. So it IS possible to do without turning around on the first zip. I did notice, however.... EVERYTIME during the second zip upwards again, Pikachu would turn around. So when I landed on the floor this time, I was facing the opposite direction from when I was initially standing on the ground. All the other 3 times, I landed on the ground facing the same way (which is because I turned around during the first zip, then turned around AGAIN during the second zip).

Ok........... I've tried doing this for a really long time now. I'm gonna stop trying for today. I really hope these conclusions can help someone to figure out exactly how to do this technique. It would be very useful.

The conclusion of this entire experiement:

-I'm pretty sure that this technique deals with TILTING the control stick either left or right (HORIZONTALLY). Up was not used except for the initial input of Up + B, and Down was never used. I MIGHT have accidentally tilted slightly downwards or upwards without noticing though, but I'm just throwing that posibility in there just in case. Someone, anyone, please try to figure this out!

All experiments were done in Training Mode under 1/4 speed.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

trying to out nerd me huh axe LOL hey when people reffer back to this let's call this the nerd wars over up-B LOL.

I'll go do testing now byyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

EDIT
axe to tie you up with more knowledge of up-B go to hyrule as pikachu or pichu(doesn;t matter) stand on the top platform and up-B without jumping to a side without falling for that's the perfect up-B only useful for pichu due to no lag and if you push your luck a little and up-B to the point where you should barely fall off you notice you won't because they have a brake that slopping them at edges(both kinds) that's one of the 3 parts of a single jump of pikachu/pichu's jump.

very techical move.

 

[AnDaLe]

If anyone had AR, i think we could figure this out relatively easy, instead of doing it the M2K way (trial and error).

 

[indigestible_wad]

I'm slightly surprized that this is done using two separate techniques. I asked about two different things, and axe decided to combine them.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

He just couldn't stand someone who never plays his chartcer know more about pikachu than him

 

[AXE 09]

Lol more nerd wars about up-b =P

and if you push your luck a little and up-B to the point where you should barely fall off you notice you won't because they have a brake that slopping them at edges(both kinds) that's one of the 3 parts of a single jump of pikachu/pichu's jump.

very techical move.

I'm not exactly sure if this is what you're trying to refer to, but are you talking about when you do your up-b horizontally (without jumping first) and try to time it like an edge cancel, it won't edge cancel because when you reach the end of the edge (so you're barely on the edge about to fall off), you will be in the animation of when you up-b into the floor, but your body will continue to slightly move, so when you fall off the edge you'll be in free falling animatioin?

Lol not sure if that's what you were referring to, or if I even explained it right for that matter. But I've known about that already. But in the first part of your post, are you saying that if you up-b horizontally across a long enough platform without jumping, then the game will think that you were slightly airborne at the end of your up-b, resulting in no lag for characters like Pichu and Mewtwo? If that's the case, then no, I did not know that. I guess I've never had the chance to try it since I've been playing neutral stages most the time =/ Maybe all of us should start seeing if there's any cool stuff on some other stages?



Oh and if someone has AR, PLEASE look into the double up-b. I will love you forever

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

m2 has lag pichu doesn't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwGl7OSWLao that was what I was talking about minus the Pc edge hog the end of up-B has a brake if the other part of up-B didn't touch the ground.

LOL axe we are going to have make a thread with ALL the deatils on both pichu and pikachu on how to make them shorter, cancel, stall, the 3 parts, sweepots, double up-B, riding walls and etc. And what pikachu only has and doesn' and what pichu has or doesn't.

EDIt I can't do this now but i'll give all i've got when I can.

 

[AXE 09]

I just tried that up-b thing on the platform, and you are absolutely right o.O that's amazing! I just wish I could find a platform like that on a neutral stage... does Rainbow Cruise have any platforms you can do that on? I know that you cannot drop through a lot of the platforms on RC, so i'm not sure. Dude, why am I learning so much today? This is amazing lol.

I also just learned a new edge cancel position on PS just a few minutes ago, and it seems to work 100% of the time (at least, every time I tried I got it, which was like 6 or 7 times). Man.... Pika's amazing XD


Oh yeah, and thanks to ICG sharing his info on the tilted up-b lengths, I realized that you can also make the second zip of the up-b shorter too based on how lightly you tilt the control stick. Although, ICG probably already knew that (and might've said something about it earlier), but I didn't. So I just thought i'd share with everyone =)

Does anyone have AR? We need Magus up in here

 

[ChivalRuse]

ICG is like a treasure trove of smash knowledge. Wasn't he the person who discovered that Ice Climbers could dthrow -> charged fsmash -> regrab spacies?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Nope I discovered smash canceling(and a few tilt) and b-throw regrab can work as a hand-off on bowser and maybe gannon.

I think someone figured that out a long time ago. However all of the ice techical stuff is crazy no one knows it all because no one has ever spit balled it all togther.

rainbow ride is a no go because on all moving stages it messes with your height and stuff and you get get an extra boost in height before you jump/up-B on some parts so you will be rised like 2 feet before up-B.

But axe you can do the perfect up-B anywhere on the stage(If you have enough room) But the huge problem is the fact pikachu has 4 frames of lag at the end compared to pichu's no lag, it may not seem like much you've been hit on stage after up-B when you didn't land with heavy lag right? the 4 frames takes to long it really does and up-B damage hurts a lot and plus the fact pikachu like pichu can't risk useing to many lagy moves because they take hits ssssssssssssooooooooooooooooo bad(chain throws)

You can try it(perfect up-B) all you do is jump with the stick and up-B to the side think of it like WDing timing to early you would drag yourself against the ground, to high and you would lose your brakes and a little more starting and ending lag, just right min. lag.

also if you do it right you can see a WD effect at the end so if you had luigi's WD it would be like really good.

I forgot what I was going to say that was really important.

 

[AXE 09]

Mewtwo has 4 frames of lag when he lands. Pikachu has A LOT more than 4 frames. I don't know exactly how many frames, but it's a hecka lot more than 4.

Actually, Okami (a smasher most of you have probably never heard of) and I found out smash cancelling on our own. Yes, we know that it was probably already discovered by other people, but just saying that we found it out by ourselves. Basically with IC's, if Nana is charging a smash, you can cancel her during any animation of it by simply doing a Down B or an Up B (i'm not sure if Forward B works. I kinda forgot).

Do you know about the Nana-teleport glitch with blizzard? (I have no idea if it has an official name or not) You just fall through a platform with both Popo and Nana, and if you perform a blizzard (down B) right before you hit the floor, Nana will teleport to the platform which you just fell through. Wobbles showed me this, along with A TON of other tricks. I know a lot of random shenanigans thanks to Wobbles. He's the most incredible IC's I've ever witnessed, and definitely still my most favorite IC's player. Thanks to him I learned 2 different ways to make Nana moonwalk across the stage which is hilarious lol. Also, he showed me how Nana can turn around mid-jump while she's airborne. She can only turn around once when she reaches the peak of her jump. If you just hold Up so she continually jumps, then turn around before she reaches the peak of her jump, she'll turn around in the air. Don't you wish Popo could do that? lol



OK, so something Pikachu related finally....

The edgecancel I've been doing recently goes like this:

On the Mountain stage of Pokemon Stadium, you know (what I like to call) the death pit, right? Well if you're on that 1 platform that's the closest to the ground that sticks out from the mountain, and you're touching the mountain (so you can roll towards the mountain, or WD, or just walk into it) and you Smash a forward B to the right, it'll edge cancel off the end of the platform immediately to your left.

I was doing it today in friendlies and found it to be a very useful mindgame, and it's extremely easy to pull off. Hopefully this can help some of you guys for a new mindgame/trick/thing.


EDIT: Oh and what's up with this post ICG?

He just couldn't stand someone who never plays his chartcer know more about pikachu than him

Listen. I've never assumed that I know everything about Pikachu, because the fact is, I don't. I am still learning more and more about him almost everytime I play. I've never assumed that I know more about Pikachu than anyone else, because I probably don't. I know that some people know stuff about him that I don't, just like you have shown me. I think that the most important thing is telling everyone here everything you know so we all can get better. I don't see myself as "the Pikachu god" or anything all high and allmighty. I'm human, and I'm still learning. Please understand that. I wouldn't know most of what I know now if it wasn't for these Pikachu boards, and I've posted pretty much everything I know about him, so chances are that most people DO know more about him than I do because they have made a discovery that they don't post about. Kinda like you. So, you probably know more about Pikachu than I do.

I'm just trying to say that I don't think that I know anymore about Pikachu than everyone else here. I just practice the crap outta him so that I can use what I do know to my fullest capacity, and I always check here to see what new discoveries have been made. I've been playing since late 2006, so I'm just saying that I really haven't figured out anything on my own that hasn't already been discovered. If you know more facts about Pikachu, please share. That's what we're all here for.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

serious axe.

But I was just kidding about what you quoted. I know a decent amount but I don't know how to play as him so you win automaticly.

I understand to be humble if you aren't it will cause many problems, why when someone asks if i'm smart I say no because I don't even know how much there is to know or the same stuff as anyone else and it's really hard to say how valueable this knowledge is compared to this knowledge.

I've also been playing since then I believe it took me 2 years to figure out which ice climber I was without getting confused a lot. You aren't pikachu god because there is no limit.

 

[AXE 09]

Yeah, I guess it's not that often that I'm serious lol. But thanks for understanding. You really have taught me quite a few cool things about Pikachu, so I'm very thankful.

So Zhu plays Pikachu.... OMG! XD

 

[fLoAtiN]

i just tried for like an hour to do the double up-b same angle and didn't get it.
i know you can (i've done it before) but it only happens to me when i seem to need it. I am like 50 feet below FD, and i luckily get a double same angle

i experimented on training mode 1/4 mostly and on 1. all tests were jump up->b and the first one was always up, so my second one is trying to also be up. i turned around in the first one (up-> and during start up animation tilt left/right very slightly, like you said AXE) and then either tilted up or hit up on the stick hard. i didn't get a double on either. tried this many times though i guess i may have timed them wrong. doubtful about that though. it was on 1/4 speed lol. i also turned around in the first one and then tried just tilting the stick in the opposite way (like if i turned around to the left, i tried to tilt very slightly to the right). All that happened was a single up->b upwards. then i tried turning around the first one and letting go of the stick for it to 'reset' and then tilted/mashed upwards. nothing

will try more later! I specifically think that it could be tilting diagonally right/left. i tried this some but w/o success, but i'll go in depth more. hope this info was any use lol.

P.S. i'm not trying to sound like i'm a beast or anything lol, but it is actually pretty easy to turn around in the first up-b on normal speed. It'll probably take as long as it took to learn L-canceling. if I want to i can do it about 80% of the time. still not reliable, but getting there.

P.P.S. i'm floatin. i second Pika and have always nice to meet all of you.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Him didn't you say you had to up-B tilt down a little to do the up-B turnaround right? I tryed as pichu in 1/4 speed for a few minutes and couldn't do it maybe it's pikachu only or i'm doing it wrong

 

[fLoAtiN]

Him didn't you say you had to up-B tilt down a little to do the up-B turnaround right? I tryed as pichu in 1/4 speed for a few minutes and couldn't do it maybe it's pikachu only or i'm doing it wrong

well for pikachu you don't need to tilt downwards to turn in the up-b. start the up-b, and before you move, tilt the stick very slightly left or right. doesn't have to be downwards left/right. actually i don't even know if downwards left/right works. anyway if you tilt parallel to the stage left/right, you will go up and face the opposite way.
i don't know if pichu can do it. i'll test it out in an hour or so.

 

[AXE 09]

Sweet. I'm glad that someone else is trying to look into this.

Just saying, i'm like... 90% sure that going upwards twice does NOT deal with any angles vertically at all. I'm pretty sure that in order to do this technique, it only deals with tilting the control stick either left or right (besides initially pressing up for the up-b of course). I know my post was long and probably nobody wants to read it all, but I did say that according to my experiments, I'm fairly confident that after you press up-b, the only inputs that you need are something dealing with tilting left/right.

In other words, i'm 90% sure that after pressing up-b, the only inputs needed after that are left/right tilts. I pulled it off twice just by spamming left/right tilts rapidly. I've done so many experiments to see what the exact inputs are, but I just can't figure it out. Pretty much the only times I've gotten it were just from continuously pressing slight angles left and right, kinda like dash dancing but only with slight tilts.

Also, I've went a little further into testing with turning around during your first zip. Not with Pikachu though. Apparently, you can do this with characters with similar up-b's. So this works for characters like Pichu, Mewtwo, Zelda, and Sheik. This is VERY useful for Zelda in particular, because I know that a lot of Zelda users find themselves in the position where they wish they could do this. Well, now they can, and Zelda happens to be the easiest one to do this technique with due to how long her startup time is. Mewtwo is the hardest one to do this with. You have to do the slight angle before he moves anywhere with his teleport, which is not a very large window at all. I'm gonna go ahead and share this with the other character specific boards.

Oh, and nice to meet you floatin it's so awesome that we're seeing more Pika users now

 

[indigestible_wad]

I would help with practicing it more, but I'm a bit lazy about learning tech skill. I have periods, but they're usually before a tournament. Well, I have a free weekend, maybe later I'll go to training. It makes me feel cool that I sparked a drive to learn a useful tech for the first time.

 

[fLoAtiN]

I have periods, but they're usually before a tournament.

lol

@AXE (you've got a sick pikachu btw)
long live Pikachu.
i read your post fully, but i just wanted to try hitting up out anyway. but anyway the good news is that i can (somewhat) confirm your theory about upb->bunch of tilts = double up-b since i finally got it double! bad news though is that similarly, i don't know the exact commands. i up-b then tilted left (was facing right at the beginning), then tilted right then left then i think left again. i don't even know if all of them were very small tilts or if some were just normal slight tilts. but it worked. its almost 12 here though and i'm super tired. until tomorrow :D

 

[AnDaLe]

so has anyone watched Zhu's pikachu? lool

youtube.com/hylianlord