He meant down twice on the control stick, not c-stick. Doing it twice is probably just a preference thing.
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ZTD | TECHnology
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I just hold down and release it when my feet are just under the platform. Its pretty easy to do imo. With characters that have 5 jumps I think you HAVE to use Dair on the initial jump.
Kasper!
Smash Lord
how do you guys use that method 0_o i can only do it with cstick. well i guess thats cause im comfortable with it
Do it with Zelda. Once you have the timing down, move on to Falco.
Choice
Smash Champion
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i dunno. actually when i think about it i just press down twice when i'm being lazy, lol. i think most the time i bair + hold down or c-stick down. i practice mostly on sv whenever i'm in training mode so by now i don't think platform canceling is really something i think all that much about. its like eventually when you get used to jumping or something, you dont really think "jump!" you just do it.
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
It turns out every character can use both methods as long as the platform is at the right height. And honestly I dont have a preferred method yet. I do use platform canceling but both methods work just fine for me lol
I find the c-stick method wayy harder
Can you hold down on the c-stick and release it at the right time like with the control stick, or does it not work because of the dair? Because otherwise I can't see how it's a better method.. it's a bit harder and always cuts your options if you fail.
Also, on which stages is this useful? Other than smashville obviously; has anyone found it ever helps them on lylat/[whatever other stages it's possible on]
Can you hold down on the c-stick and release it at the right time like with the control stick, or does it not work because of the dair? Because otherwise I can't see how it's a better method.. it's a bit harder and always cuts your options if you fail.
Also, on which stages is this useful? Other than smashville obviously; has anyone found it ever helps them on lylat/[whatever other stages it's possible on]
There are like 5 methods of Platform Canceling:
- C-Stick down
- Control Stick down + any direction C-Stick
- hold Control Stick down and release it at the right time
- pressing Down + Shield at the same time for a Shield Drop
- press Shield while holding Down for a Shield Cancel
Every one of them has his own pros and cons. Just try out all methods and then you can practice the method which is easier for you.
Platform Canceling can be done on every stage with a moving platform.
- C-Stick down
- Control Stick down + any direction C-Stick
- hold Control Stick down and release it at the right time
- pressing Down + Shield at the same time for a Shield Drop
- press Shield while holding Down for a Shield Cancel
Every one of them has his own pros and cons. Just try out all methods and then you can practice the method which is easier for you.
Platform Canceling can be done on every stage with a moving platform.
Gamegenie222
Space Pheasant Dragon Tactician
I have a question, what tools do you use to fight against Peach cause I got overwhelmed at times by a Peach in our area a few days ago as well fighting Dark Peach on wi-fi a while back as well?
Camp hard. Yeah really, camp like there is no tomorrow. Peach can't anything problematic at long range. If she throws a turnip reflect it. Don't allow Peach to come in and get in close combat because she ***** there. A 2 frame Jab and floating Aerials are the only options for a Peach player to beat you.
If she gets in Jab, NAir and BAir are your best bets. Try to shield her Aerials and punish her with BAir.
So FTilt, Reflector, Side B, Laser will be your most used tools to fight a Peach.
Gamegenie222
Space Pheasant Dragon Tactician
I mainly had problems with her float pressure sometimes, I felt like I can do very little against her at times and also I find that spacing Up-smash so that the backwards kick of the hit can help against Peach's float can work also you forget nair.
Louisdebou
Smash Cadet
Falco doesn't have a lot of safe options to kill.Hey, I have a question. With Falco, ALL my USmash (Dacus, Bdacus, etc) doesn't kill, I don't understand :/: how to use it to kill safely?
[Sorry for my English, I'm French]
Mix your moves and be less predictable if you don't want to be punished by this laggy move.
For instance stuff like Dthrow to Dacus are in most of case easily punishable/predictable by your opponent. You could use your Utilt too at higher %.
Oh, and I'm French too (and I played you a long time ago).
This is not working for me
Im just doing jump>Down on the analog stick twice.
What am I doing wrong?
Edit:I can sometimes do it with some other chars......I still can't do it with falco :/ this seems harder than other methods
Boofy!
Smash Champion
whats the "rule" for a move to be able to hit falco out of phantasm? I saw Glutonny do it with Warios Fsmash and Ftilt consistently, yet i can't do it with marth's jab.. is it my spacing/timing or is it move dependent or both?
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Falco's hurtbox teleports in phantasm, and his hurtbox is a little behind the hitbox. His hurtbox appears in the middle of the phantasm for a frame. So,
A ---- B ---- C. The letters shows where Falco's hurtbox is at, with the consecutive letters showing 1 frame difference. you can hit falco as long as you hit the hurtbox, and the hitbox has no priority.
A ---- B ---- C. The letters shows where Falco's hurtbox is at, with the consecutive letters showing 1 frame difference. you can hit falco as long as you hit the hurtbox, and the hitbox has no priority.
I thought the hurtbox extended for half of the dstance of falco's phantasm behind him both at the B and C stage..?
I had this explained to me a while ago and, having played against falco's phantasm, I think it's right. It's really easy with things like kirby's dair for example, you don't need to aim for the middle but just avoid the invincibility frame (first third)
I had this explained to me a while ago and, having played against falco's phantasm, I think it's right. It's really easy with things like kirby's dair for example, you don't need to aim for the middle but just avoid the invincibility frame (first third)
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
Nair and short hop lasers for finishing hit dacus or bdacus.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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It is the other way around. The hurtbox precedes the hitbox. And I am not sure about the priority thing, but the hitbox can clank with hitboxes.
Yes I remember
. Thanks.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
I still don't get it 100%.. can someone confirm?
Leeno
Smash Rookie
what is frame trapping?
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
What moves should I use out of any glide toss?
Boofy!
Smash Champion
^ depends what you're throwing
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
if you are tossing a banana at diddy at low percents look for a grab. if you are at kill range get that Fsmash and wreck diddy.
same with wario
if glide tossing towards snake throw the nade up and look for whats there, this is a more tricky one you can fsmash but you will not be getting any help from the item besides the glide so think of jabs grab or fsmash if its there and they are the right % for the kill from smash
with Zss armor its all about where zss is you can toss it up to down or towards her.
If you throw it foward at her i am assuming you are going to hit her then begin to follow her in the air with up air or bair. she has poor options when you are under her. you can also throw the armor up or down depending what you are trying to do. To punish landing lag at high %s glide toss the item up then fsmash for the kill.
Tech-Nelium the Shark
Smash Ace
Don't listen to this man he sucks
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
coming from the guy named TechNelium the Shark lolololol
Tech-Nelium the Shark
Smash Ace
coming from a cracker from the swamp***** crew. scrubs
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
This guy over here getting trolled by some ic player as a snake.
Tech-Nelium the Shark
Smash Ace
Gamegenie222
Space Pheasant Dragon Tactician
And you are here because?
Tech-Nelium the Shark
Smash Ace
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
Hahahaha lol good one lets take this to the social threadcause i'm pretending to be kuro for an hour
if you are tossing a banana at diddy at low percents look for a grab. if you are at kill range get that Fsmash and wreck diddy.
same with wario
if glide tossing towards snake throw the nade up and look for whats there, this is a more tricky one you can fsmash but you will not be getting any help from the item besides the glide so think of jabs grab or fsmash if its there and they are the right % for the kill from smash
with Zss armor its all about where zss is you can toss it up to down or towards her.
If you throw it foward at her i am assuming you are going to hit her then begin to follow her in the air with up air or bair. she has poor options when you are under her. you can also throw the armor up or down depending what you are trying to do. To punish landing lag at high %s glide toss the item up then fsmash for the kill.
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Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
How is that like me....?cause i'm pretending to be kuro for an hour
....Huh? I don't get the punchline/joke...
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
yes you can dacus mk if he air releases
DJ Arcatek
Smash Champion
The one thing to do in the ROB matchup - Camp.
ROB has no answer to lasers. He'll be lucky to get a Gyro in or even a laser, but that's why you have Reflector. In terms of close quarters, Jab ***** him. If you do a full spinning jab, most ROBs are gonna try to Fair you out of the attack, but you can power shield it most of the time then proceed to punish.
DO NOT go offstage vs. him. You will get gimp'd or be put in a bad position.
Both characters have trouble killing, but since Falco is lighter and has worse recovery options than ROB, he will lose his stock first. But, that shouldn't be the case most of the time since you're camping
In my opinion, the matchup is like 60:40/55:45 Falco's favor. They each have their tools and whatnot, but I think Falco just has an advantage in the matchup.
ROB has no answer to lasers. He'll be lucky to get a Gyro in or even a laser, but that's why you have Reflector. In terms of close quarters, Jab ***** him. If you do a full spinning jab, most ROBs are gonna try to Fair you out of the attack, but you can power shield it most of the time then proceed to punish.
DO NOT go offstage vs. him. You will get gimp'd or be put in a bad position.
Both characters have trouble killing, but since Falco is lighter and has worse recovery options than ROB, he will lose his stock first. But, that shouldn't be the case most of the time since you're camping
In my opinion, the matchup is like 60:40/55:45 Falco's favor. They each have their tools and whatnot, but I think Falco just has an advantage in the matchup.