MARLX
Smash Journeyman
Ok, so do you need help or what? Also you SHOULD NOT have any trouble on MK besides of the ledge b/c of his ability to gimp.
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MARLX
Smash Journeyman
On skake 50/50 chain grab down air of the ledge (somtimes they survive with C4) then ledge guard then down air again. (garenteed kill). For diddy 45/50 camp throw bananas away (or infinint on him with the banana) get him off stage ledge guard, dair and if diddy comes back (some how) do the process again, dacus or bdacus kill.
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
Sorry no info on ic or pikachu, but the one thing i can tell you is when we vs one we are ****ed! Also if any falco player has any idea how to play against ic and pikachu please do share really need to know.
Allbrex
Smash Apprentice
Jab canceling
I was curious how most falcos do it, do you tap attack twice or hold it briefly and then press down on the analog near the end of the 2nd jab? Also when you jab to grab, do you jab cancel the first jab and then press Z or shield grab, wondering if it makes a difference on the 2nd note.
2nd question, when mk dashing shields to you, what's an effective response to it? I have problems with what to do against MK when I'm just outside of jab range but he's in Ftilt range.
I was curious how most falcos do it, do you tap attack twice or hold it briefly and then press down on the analog near the end of the 2nd jab? Also when you jab to grab, do you jab cancel the first jab and then press Z or shield grab, wondering if it makes a difference on the 2nd note.
2nd question, when mk dashing shields to you, what's an effective response to it? I have problems with what to do against MK when I'm just outside of jab range but he's in Ftilt range.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
your second question is 2 questions...
to the first part, grab him.to the second part. if hes that close, phantasm or walk away.
to the first part, grab him.to the second part. if hes that close, phantasm or walk away.
Ares
Smash Journeyman
Pikachu, don't panic if he gets close to you. Avoid getting grabbed til ~50%. Watch for thunder ledge guarding and reflect it.
ICs, seperate them, kill nana, time sopo out. That's basically the strategy. Don't get predictable with phantasm. If you get trapped in blizzard, DI up and away and mash jump. Watch for their desynchs. If they dash dance..watch for an iceblock...jump if it comes because popo will follow.
As for jab canceling, i press A twice, then down on the control stick..rinse and repeat.
ICs, seperate them, kill nana, time sopo out. That's basically the strategy. Don't get predictable with phantasm. If you get trapped in blizzard, DI up and away and mash jump. Watch for their desynchs. If they dash dance..watch for an iceblock...jump if it comes because popo will follow.
As for jab canceling, i press A twice, then down on the control stick..rinse and repeat.
wh1te5had0w
Smash Journeyman
Could someone please help me in the critique thread :L
*Sorry asking this; I have an up coming meet and I would like to beat some players with Falco.*
*Sorry asking this; I have an up coming meet and I would like to beat some players with Falco.*
Mr.Blade
Smash Rookie
This question is for Mr.BDacus.....ehehhe
How can i improve the BDacus?
Is possible to do a reverse BDacus?
How can i improve the BDacus?
Is possible to do a reverse BDacus?
Yeah, I can kill Snake if I can grab him and spike him, but I can't do that every time, but should I not get it, I could easily lose two stocks before killing him.
Fair works three times as well for edge guarding Diddy (Dair sucks balls against his recovery. Bair and Fair are your go to moves.), but I can't play with him while on the stage and that's my problem.
I'm not really worried about having issues with ICs and Pikachu. They're bad match-ups and I'm supposed to have a problem. I know the ICs/MK match-up like the back of my hand and do well in it. Same with Pika.
Ares
Smash Journeyman
With diddy...shield his banananana throws ..short hop and either catch or insta-throw them after they bounce off your shield. If he is just sitting with a banana in hand waiting for u....start shooting lasers that's what they are there for.
If you can predict his banana throws early..reflect them...our ftilt is faster than his..but im not sure which is longer range..just from thinking..i would say our's is longer
Most diddys don't do their Jab->Jab->Jab. They try jab->jab->grab or w/e. Their AAA is very slow to end so they try to avoid it. Throwing in your own jab after their 2nd can catch them if they try to grab.
If you can predict his banana throws early..reflect them...our ftilt is faster than his..but im not sure which is longer range..just from thinking..i would say our's is longer
Most diddys don't do their Jab->Jab->Jab. They try jab->jab->grab or w/e. Their AAA is very slow to end so they try to avoid it. Throwing in your own jab after their 2nd can catch them if they try to grab.
Kasper!
Smash Lord
Thing about diddy is if they space/predict correctly they can fair you when you jump for the nana but yeah you can also bait that so its a good strat. Our ftilt is faster than his and im sure ours has more range
Xinc
Smash Lord
Thanks! I got fifth
that's 3 better than last time.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
lol, I love this thread title, the good old days
I'm going to try to answer a bunch of the questions here again. I miss this thread.
I'm going to try to answer a bunch of the questions here again. I miss this thread.
Kasper!
Smash Lord
why did you name yourself bleachigoZX?lol, I love this thread title, the good old days
I'm going to try to answer a bunch of the questions here again. I miss this thread.
How do we DI luigi's fsmash?
Whats your opinion on the olimar matchup?
Who are your 5 favourate falco mainers that use these boards?
Your rating of falcos dtilt from 1-10?
Why is your name bleachigoZX again?
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
Seems like you are interigating him.
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
What move can falco use out of jabs (good moves and quick).
Insta-throw sounds interesting and I'll try it. I've been frustrated with the match-up, so I said **** it and played him for about 2 hours just against Diddy.
It's a REALLY momentum based match-up. If you can get it, you can **** him up.
Him holding a banana is a bad thing. He will get one, but don't let it be a regular occurrence. Your wavedash is good and you can play with bananas about as well as that ******* can. Learn how, but know that he will know what to do with them. If you can't be applying pressure behind them, there's no reason to try and use them, just keep them away from him.
Once he gets knocked off stage at a down and away angle (high % Ftilt or a DSmash or even a grab release off stage) don't Dair him. Please don't. His UpB will eat your spike and you'll look dumb. The lasting hitbox on Fair is a MUCH better choice as it tends to destroy Diddy's UpB. Use Bair if you can't Fair.
I still don't know how to challenge his SideB.
When you're recovering he's just like anyone else. If he reads your SideB, you will eat an FSmash.
I never win in the air unless I'm below him. I don't know if it's simply because his Fair is disjointed and I can't figure out the hitbox or my own bad decisions.
If you're chain grabbing him and are going to be running into a banana if you continue, tag an UpSmash on him. It will grab the banana and have you under Diddy, which is a position I like.
That and just do Falco things. Tilts, jabs, lasers, grabs.
It would be REALLY cool if we could get some less dated match-up discussion. Now help me figure out Snake. Q.Q
EDIT: And I forgot to mention that it's helpful to know that he dies at like 125 from Up Smash. I only know for sure the percent that MK dies at (115% with perfect DI). A list of what kills who when would probably be cool.
Grab, Ftilt, Shine out of AAA, Up Smash, cancel into another jab. You can stand there and wait for him to do something or try and call out the spot dodge with an Fsmash.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Why are you so legendary? And how can I make my Falco not bad?lol, I love this thread title, the good old days
I'm going to try to answer a bunch of the questions here again. I miss this thread.
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
thank god your back the Q&A is bad with out your answers go back and read a few omg
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I like A/AA -> dsmash, especially if you've conditioned them to expect rapid jabs. Them trying to DI away = bad DI for dsmash, and it's only one frame slower than ftilt, which I see used all the time for jab mixups. Why isn't this used more often, if at all? I understand that it's relatively unsafe on block, but still, the reward is pretty good to try out once and awhile imo.
Also, what percents should Falco start to boost grab to keep CGing Marth?
Also, what percents should Falco start to boost grab to keep CGing Marth?
Marth can Up-B out after one Dthrow from 0. So Grab->Dthrow->Boost Grab.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I thought you could buffer 3 dash grabs at 0 before he could upB? Then after that, they have to be boost grabs.
I could be wrong though
I could be wrong though
Boofy!
Smash Champion
wtf is going on in here
Inferno3044
Smash Master
How do I boost grab? I saw how to boost pivot grab, but how do you do it without pivoting?
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
I am, because you make me. Practice, not legendary kid.
It's the same as boost pivot grabbing, without the pivot. Just don't hit back. Dash + C-stick(down) + Shield...
or the way I do it:
Dash + Attack - Shield
you do a piano, sorta sliding motion , between Attack and Shield so that you dash attack (because that is what you are cancelling out of) then grab.
What's going on is too much melee last weekend. I meant glide toss and you know it.
Ares
Smash Journeyman
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
^^^^ yes. Go check DEHF cg thread.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
no i didn't.. hence why i asked
Take the CG when it's given to you, but killing them while not taking damage is always going to be the most important thing.
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
Why is falco a better character than pit?