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[Abel1994]

I dont want to be off topic or anything but IMO he is better.

Thats all NO MORE!

 

[SN Viper]

I dont want to be off topic or anything but IMO he is better.

Thats all NO MORE!

i thought you got ban lol

anyways i think pit and have many similar tactics. i also think the MU is even between them. where falco can rack % faster but pit has less trouble killing

 

[Kuro~]

What's the difference between waveboucn and b-reverse lasers in general?

Input wise?

@TommyG how did you say to get out of tornado easier? And didnt you say SDI doesnt work on nado?

 

[Boofy!]

you can DI the first and last hits or nado iirc

b-reverse just turns your character around and executes the special, this also keeps your initial momentum. wavebounce makes your character turn around AND shifts your momentum in the opposite direction.

inputwise, in a b-reversal, you input the analog stick in the direction your back is facing and then press b.. making sure the analog stick goes back to a neutral position before you hit special or your gonna side b.

In a wavebounce you press b first and then press the analog stick in the direction opposite of your momentum, not necessarily the way you're facing.

i think thats all right lol

 

[Tommy_G]

Get out of Tornado and get a free dair: Tap up slowly. About one tap every 3/4 of a second.

 

[Kuro~]

Does anyone else feel bad for camping in friendlies when you get called out about it?

Also thanks tommy G...slowly ill remember that. Just control stick right?

 

[SN Viper]

Does anyone else feel bad for camping in friendlies when you get called out about it?

Also thanks tommy G...slowly ill remember that. Just control stick right?

umm no ever heard the saying practice like you play? Play to get better if you need to work on camping work at it if you need to get better at cqc mix ups work at it.

 

[AndGravy]

Have any of you ever seen Falco do something that looks like a wavedash? Cuz i was playing a CPU and i swear it did some sort of slidey-wavedash thing off the edge of smashville. I've looked at it a lot and i don't know how it happened.

I was jabbing it near the edge and the cpu side dodged, canceled an upsmash and slid backwards (or something like that). I can upload a video in a bit.


edit:
Uploaded video for clarity. I have a feeling it's just something obvious and I'm being dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGikwmemglk

 

[Choice]

the windbox from the ending of jab just sent him off the edge.

 

[AndGravy]

lol had no idea jab had such a windbox.

 

[Tommy_G]

yeah just the control stick.

When you do it right, you barely pop above tornado. If it pops you up too high, youre pressing it too fast.(it also pops you up early so you fall back into the last hit) I'm going to assume you all can guess what happens when you press it too slow.

 

[da K.I.D.]

tommy, whats the difference between that and just holding up?

 

[Choice]

tapping and holding deal with 2 different types of smash di.

 

[Ares]

I was under the impression that tornado was not SDI'able.

 

[Boofy!]

you cant sdi tornado

 

[-DR3W-]

you cant sdi tornado

You can, if you put your mind to it.

 

[Boofy!]

obvious troll is obvious

 

[Yumewomiteru]

not gonna say for sure whether you can or can't sdi nado, but i've had success getting out with qcdi up and spamming airdodge

 

[Tommy_G]

Tap up once every 3/4 of a second. It pops you up a few pixels above the tornado and allows you to avoid the last hit to get a Dair when the tornado is over, rather than getting stuck in an air dodge.

 

[MARLX]

What moves should we use versing sheik?
Can falco chain grab sheik to a decent %?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Falco can chaingrab shiek just as much as he can chaingrab anyone, although she may have the fox weight in that getting a spike off is hard, not sure though.

and we should use jab and ftilt against shiek because of her lack of range. fsmash is a good landing punish if you can predict the vincinity of where she will land. shield and grab will work well because of her lack of range and shieldstun on her attacks.

 

[SN Viper]

What moves should we use versing sheik?
Can falco chain grab sheik to a decent %?

you can cg her to 37 then you can get the spike. She is like fox the spike timing will be stricter.

Yume falco can CG some chars longer then others.

 

[-DR3W-]

Falco can chaingrab shiek just as much as he can chaingrab anyone, although she may have the fox weight in that getting a spike off is hard, not sure though.

and we should use jab and ftilt against shiek because of her lack of range. fsmash is a good landing punish if you can predict the vincinity of where she will land. shield and grab will work well because of her lack of range and shieldstun on her attacks.

Don't get ftilted.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Don't get ftilted.

Hella don't get FTilted.

It's worse than our chaingrab. At low percents (I'm talking damn near 0%) you can Smash DI down and perfect shield. If you've been Ftilted twice, you're not gonna make it, so start to DI toward Sheik's head. Trying to DI out won't work. If you DI toward Sheik's head, you make it harder to judge which direction she has to Ftilt and force her to USmash at the lowest percent you can get out. IIRC, even after you've been through the wringer once, she can still get stupid **** off her FTilt until you reach stupid high percents (more USmash, maybe Fair or Uair).

Your options are better at close and long range though. Just don't do unnecessarily risky things.

 

[MARLX]

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Dumb ? but how do you sticky a thread?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You don't. Moderators choose threads to sticky.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Can someone refer me to a video of the Diddy match-up done right? I'm at a loss.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You can SDI the Tornado but only the first and the final hit because the other hits don't have any hitlag .... so there's "nothing" to SDI out of.

Now here's a question: lately I've been messing around with MK vs CPU Falcos. When I watch the match-up played at high level it's usually the Falco remaining on the ground with Laser and side-B while MK approaches largely with dair ... now most Falcos won't challenge the dair camping with nair / bair because it gets beaten by Tornado ... however Falco's Shine beats Tornado. That's something I didn't expect to be practical but when the CPU uses Jumpshine to challenge my dair approaches he usually beats it because after the 2nd or 3rd jump MK is way to immobile in the air to evade it.

How legit is this as a counter strategy to what appears to be MK's most common approach in this match-up? Has anybody ever tried it out in tournament against competent players?

 

[clowsui]

it's been tried before, it's a good ranged poke and should be done as a mixup. you can see it being performed in tournament by atomsk. the problem you have to be in a certain range/height to commit to reflector so it doesn't really force MK into any positions unless he's not dair camping semi-reactively. like you can down b them if you think they're going to try to retreat/attack at a specific range but if they don't intend on being there they can use their jumps/dairs/etc. more constructively

it's useful though, just the problem of the end lag of reflector + positioning

 

[Kuro~]

Can you jumpcancel dsmash?

 

[I Dair You]

Nope, the only smash you can JC is upsmash.

 

[Tommy_G]

You can SDI the Tornado but only the first and the final hit because the other hits don't have any hitlag .... so there's "nothing" to SDI out of.

If there was 0 hit lag, you'd just fall through the tornado while taking damage, like a few hits of Charizard's fair.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I think youre confusing hit LAG with hit STUN

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If there was 0 hit lag, you'd just fall through the tornado while taking damage, like a few hits of Charizard's fair.

Hitlag is the lag you suffer upon successfully hitting your opponent. MK suffers no lag from hitting the opponent with the tornado except for the first and for the final hit. The opponent is still in hit stun causing you not to fall through the tornado.

 

[Brickbox]

Im having a hard time with platform canceling.......I know it's not very useful but I have time on my hands and no local opponents.......Is there any adio/visual ques? I'm having a hard time doing it consistently.

 

[teluoborg]

@Brickbox : when you do a jump Falco does a "hmpf" sound. Cstick down when you hear that sound.

@Kuro : you can't JCDsmash, but you can platform drop cancel it. It's awfully hard to do though.

 

[Choice]

a really easy way to platform cancel is by pressing down twice on the analog stick as you pass through the platform. then you're free to react with anything if you don't platform cancel too instead of doing dair randomly.

 

[Brickbox]

So the inputs are jump>down on analog stick twice while at the platform cancel height? Ive never heard of doing it this way?

 

[Choice]

yea, its super simple and how i do it sometimes. you can actually platform cancel only pressing down once supposedly, but twice makes it easier.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

why does twice make it easier? that would just buffer a dsmash.