Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Any of you birds ever use IAP OOS? And is there any uses to do it?
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Ares
Smash Journeyman
I use it on MKs that tornado my shield and retreat away.
Enzo
Smash Lord
I meant like if i were to spike him from the chaingrab so that he ends up below the ledge, could we go and spike him again.
I saw Zucco do it in a combo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7PpumRvpk
it happens at about 0:38
I saw Zucco do it in a combo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7PpumRvpk
it happens at about 0:38
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Def not guaranteed, more of a desperation move as youll die too, a safer choice is to try to footstool, but against say MK that is not that safe either.
MacNCheese.
Smash Ace
Hm, well I'm learning falco and not very experienced, so ugh...
Do Falco mains (how do I say it) Nair right before going down(hitting them with the first one or two hits) and the Dsmash right away (Like a umm, Dsmash cancelled Nair, or vice versa)
I've tried it on my friends and I think it's pretty good because it's uncalled for, a good mix up, and is somewhat harder to DI.
Do Falco mains (how do I say it) Nair right before going down(hitting them with the first one or two hits) and the Dsmash right away (Like a umm, Dsmash cancelled Nair, or vice versa)
I've tried it on my friends and I think it's pretty good because it's uncalled for, a good mix up, and is somewhat harder to DI.
ChaosDrifter
Smash Lord
how do you approach MK when he has the lead to try and land a low percent grab? I'm shut down by short hop dairs and dtilts no matter wat i try!
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
@storm when you hit with that nair, its better to do something like jab, grab or up tilt after. Down smash is an option tho.
@chaos, lol.
If your opponent wont let you grab them, then stop trying to grab them, falco has plenty of methods to combo people for 60+ percent early in their stock. why are you forcing the grab?
@chaos, lol.
If your opponent wont let you grab them, then stop trying to grab them, falco has plenty of methods to combo people for 60+ percent early in their stock. why are you forcing the grab?
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
how do i do the grab release > dacus on mk properly ?
Tommy g where you at
Tommy g where you at
Ares
Smash Journeyman
@FGCU we don't have a guarenteed air release on MK
Yamitsuki
Smash Cadet
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Wow, that video makes it look like falco can get a guaranteed kill on diddy no matter what if Daired offstage. Footstool him directly below you, 2nd jump -> dair if he goes away from the stage.
Yeah, nair -> dsmash is viable. I have seen it cover someone trying to DI the nair, get out, then fall to the ground only to get hit by Dsmash.
Air release on MK is only when he is dangling in the air. Otherwise, the opposing MK has to hit the jump button, up on the c-stick or control stick when attempting to get out in order to be air released. Never try to air release MK when it will put Mk on the platform and he can shield any anything you try.
Phantasm from shield is something I would like to try, but I like never use it. Most cases where you might want to use phantasm can be covered with shield drop to dash attack. I mean, you cover a huge amount of range in the span of under 15 frames. That's like half the time of an IAP. How many moves that hit your shield will push you away so far that dash attack will not work as a punisher, but phantasm will? The answer is virtually none.
As the answer for MK, don't get the grab. Run away more to get the needed space to get some spaced lasers into some safe follow-ups. A spacing MK is something you do not want to toy with when space is limited. Any SH attempts into lasers will likely get you attack from underneath. In that situation you want to regain control over spacing by getting to the center of the stage to space lasers and mess up his own spacing to punish him on an mis-spaced attack.
Yeah, nair -> dsmash is viable. I have seen it cover someone trying to DI the nair, get out, then fall to the ground only to get hit by Dsmash.
Air release on MK is only when he is dangling in the air. Otherwise, the opposing MK has to hit the jump button, up on the c-stick or control stick when attempting to get out in order to be air released. Never try to air release MK when it will put Mk on the platform and he can shield any anything you try.
Phantasm from shield is something I would like to try, but I like never use it. Most cases where you might want to use phantasm can be covered with shield drop to dash attack. I mean, you cover a huge amount of range in the span of under 15 frames. That's like half the time of an IAP. How many moves that hit your shield will push you away so far that dash attack will not work as a punisher, but phantasm will? The answer is virtually none.
As the answer for MK, don't get the grab. Run away more to get the needed space to get some spaced lasers into some safe follow-ups. A spacing MK is something you do not want to toy with when space is limited. Any SH attempts into lasers will likely get you attack from underneath. In that situation you want to regain control over spacing by getting to the center of the stage to space lasers and mess up his own spacing to punish him on an mis-spaced attack.
I know this is probably a scrubby question, but I had a problem with it today.
I was playing a ZSS, and of course she used dsmash. Then walked forward a little. Dsmash. And that happened like 5 times before I could get out by buttonmashing different directions. What is the proper direction to (S?)DI out of that "combo?"
I was playing a ZSS, and of course she used dsmash. Then walked forward a little. Dsmash. And that happened like 5 times before I could get out by buttonmashing different directions. What is the proper direction to (S?)DI out of that "combo?"
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
It is a true combo when you are at low damage, not really a way to get out of it, sorry.
Oh, I see...
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Can someone give me some tips for the DK MU? I have a DK in my pool for Pound and I'm thinking about going Falco.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
dont get put offstage.
ban yoshi island
dont roll behind dk (youll get downsmashed)
stick to basic falco play, lasers, side b to run away, space jabs.
dont get punched.
when DK is up b ing and is offstage, its possible to side b into it, and trade hits, which means you take 3 % and are free to side b again, and DK is spiked way too low to recover.
if the dk like to camp the ledge for punch, just let him have it and try to laser him from across stage.
if giant punch hits your normal (not power) shield, dont attempt to punish.
ban yoshi island
dont roll behind dk (youll get downsmashed)
stick to basic falco play, lasers, side b to run away, space jabs.
dont get punched.
when DK is up b ing and is offstage, its possible to side b into it, and trade hits, which means you take 3 % and are free to side b again, and DK is spiked way too low to recover.
if the dk like to camp the ledge for punch, just let him have it and try to laser him from across stage.
if giant punch hits your normal (not power) shield, dont attempt to punish.
Don't let him bait your phantasm recovery and punish with dsmash, because that will hurt. Bad.
Watch the SK92 vs Cable set. It couldn't hurt, and shows that Falco isn't an auto-win if the DK is good enough...
Who's the DK in your pool?
Watch the SK92 vs Cable set. It couldn't hurt, and shows that Falco isn't an auto-win if the DK is good enough...
Who's the DK in your pool?
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Will. I'm assuming he falls under the category of good enough.
Just a bit.......
PEACE7
Smash Champion
What's Falco's fastest aerial?
DJ Arcatek
Smash Champion
I believe it's Back Air.
APartofNothing
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Hello, I am a new Falco. I was wondering if there was an easier way to BDacus other than the dash-cstick up twice because for some reason I am having a bit of difficulty with it.
ChaosDrifter
Smash Lord
bdacus is supposed to be difficult to pick up and do consistently, not even larry can get it every single time
if you're a new falco, i don't suggest learning bdacus quite yet until you've had a bunch of practice with falco and learned his basics
if you're a new falco, i don't suggest learning bdacus quite yet until you've had a bunch of practice with falco and learned his basics
The button input for BDACUS is more complex, but results in a less expected and farther traveling boost smash.
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Alright thanks
APartofNothing
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Okay thanks for the help I appreciate it.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Well tbh, The ranges are comparable. I mean the difference is range is so minute its not really that much better as far as that goes. However Bdacus gives u a speed boost and faster start up than regular dacus which is why its better imo.
SN Viper
Formerly 9th in FL PR
Nairs hit box is out on frame 3
up air is the fastest to finish its animation
I need tips on killing ROB.
The guy I play against reacts super fast and his playstyle minimalizes what hits i can land. The only smash I can land fairly often is upsmash after shdl>dacus. I am currently trying to preserve my bair so it retains some killing power, but it never gets far enough. Overall, he is just too heavy+DI+amazing recovery for me to kill.
I can land aerials, but they usually don't have enough KB to kill him. I will never land a fsmash unless it's an ungodly mindgame because of his playstyle. Dsmash doesn't KB enough, and I can never get him while he is offstage. If i try to get him while he recovers, he either floats above/under me or cripples me.
What can I do to land stronger hits?
What moves should I focus on for dmg vs KB?
How can I edge guard?
(It's impossible for me to get him when he is ledge hanging. He always drops off, air dodges if i attack or aerials if i don't)
edit: What stages should I take him to?
The guy I play against reacts super fast and his playstyle minimalizes what hits i can land. The only smash I can land fairly often is upsmash after shdl>dacus. I am currently trying to preserve my bair so it retains some killing power, but it never gets far enough. Overall, he is just too heavy+DI+amazing recovery for me to kill.
I can land aerials, but they usually don't have enough KB to kill him. I will never land a fsmash unless it's an ungodly mindgame because of his playstyle. Dsmash doesn't KB enough, and I can never get him while he is offstage. If i try to get him while he recovers, he either floats above/under me or cripples me.
What can I do to land stronger hits?
What moves should I focus on for dmg vs KB?
How can I edge guard?
(It's impossible for me to get him when he is ledge hanging. He always drops off, air dodges if i attack or aerials if i don't)
edit: What stages should I take him to?
Sph34r
Smash Journeyman
I'll just answer the easier part =P
ROB's recovery does not allow him to airdodge out of it unless he first uses some aerial, so if your bair isn't killing anyway you could try hitting him with that when he's recovering (don't get fair'd though).
ROB's recovery does not allow him to airdodge out of it unless he first uses some aerial, so if your bair isn't killing anyway you could try hitting him with that when he's recovering (don't get fair'd though).
Hey, im trying to figure out the counterpick for all characters so im going to all the Q&A threads of all the characters and posting this. I would like for you to give me your characters worst MU and worst stage so it saves me a lot of time researching it myself and testing stuff.
I would really appreciate it if you all helped me out.
Hope to get some answers pretty soon.
I would really appreciate it if you all helped me out.
Hope to get some answers pretty soon.
I Dair You
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The order is debatable but it's:
Character counter- ICs/Pikachu
Stage counter- Brinstar/RC
Falco doesnt really have any other characters or stages that **** him too badly, making the rest of his MUs 45-55 at worst imo.
Character counter- ICs/Pikachu
Stage counter- Brinstar/RC
Falco doesnt really have any other characters or stages that **** him too badly, making the rest of his MUs 45-55 at worst imo.
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lol
Game & Watch is probably 4:6.
And Link...such a hard matchup for me.
cn this guy own?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9vLCMeB2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9vLCMeB2g