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Sephiroth as a main at this point.Sephiroth, and he's like the embodiment of the emotional feeling I'm trying to chase by trying to get better at smash. When you get so good that most people you run into, you can just stay calm and polite while you kick their butts effortlessly because you know exactly what they are going to do while you move around swiftly with precise strong attacks. I used to spend my time mastering random games all the time, so it was common for this to happen, but I don't have the time I used to anymore, so I had to pick one game and it was Smash. Turns out fighting games are a lot more complex than I originally thought, but I'm still chasing that feeling. Unfortunately I feel like at this rate I will never be satisfied unless I can consistently 3 stock my Pikachu main friend who does go to tournaments.
Cloud when showing how important saving a double jump is"pits (more dark Pit because larger side b arm gets the point across faster than pit's tiny side b, and his projectile is more normal than pit's) because they are quite basic and have a lot of different things going on with them.Ike since his game plan is so blindingly basic so the person being taught can quickly understand what the character is going to do. Meanwhile the tutor can focus more on talking + teaching. Linkis like a zoner with the projectiles, a swordy with his sword, but can get combo stuff with his nair and zair drop bombs, so you can get basic concepts of all playstyles in the game. Also he's not too hard to edgeguard to get newbies used to edgeguarding from above if you don't do anything fancy.Lucina is similar to Ike but faster. I think aike would be less intimidating for new players.speedy character, zoner, and big boy. All pretty basic for their archetype. similar, just without the projectiles they annoy lower skill players.
Sephiroth is the main I chose and he is top tier. Meanwhile all the other characters that tempt me to main them and sometimes play a bunch because I try to consider a "loyalty main" from time to time are all mid or low tier, making Sephiroth feel all the more OP. Other characters being Lucario, Meta Knight, and Ridley
Kazuya and Sephiroth. Got a Angel and Devil theme going on. Sephiroth is pretty simplistic overall when it comes to inputs outside of nair combos. Also Sephiroth has speed + range that will probably take care of any of Kazuya's troublesome matchups. Really digging the idea of having one of the fighting game characters be a duo main or secondary because they keep me on my toes with my inputs which makes using any other character very easy by comparison making it easier to pick up everyone else. Time will tell though, he is a new character and he's been a blast, but whether or not he I stick with him is something that only time can tell.
- 1 week of Ryu complete. I will probably return to Ryu if Kazuya doesn't replace him for me. Here's how I felt on the character and the guides I used:Kazuya and Terry later on and they become a better fit for me for that.Inkling before playing Ryu helped me thirsty for getting combos because I landed a 70% combo (I doubt it was true) on a friend and I was like "what is this power?". Of course I consistently did a lot of other higher damage combos with Inkling as well, that character is nuts. Anyways, Ryu is known for consistently doing this kind of power, I was rather motivated to play Ryu and I was not disappointed. Though I definitely need to get better to really enjoy the benefits of Ryu.Pichu or Sheik. That is also the reason why I picked him over Ken to start off with (also I like projectiles, and Ryu has more hadouken options).
Doctor Mario's speed. That pill is so annoying and it's like someone going up to you and flicking your head. It doesn't hurt, but dang. Anytime I focus on doing tilts and shielding while walking to do bait and punish type stuff, I'm too slow to react to projectiles.Jigglypuff coming in as my favorite opponent today, and is basically tied with Greninja for my favorite matchup with Ryu at the moment. I just love the strong emphasis on neutral since Ryu can't really combo Jigglypuff due to being so tiny and floaty that she falls out of everything, and the Jigglypuff wasn't wall of paining me off the stage at this point. Jigglypuff was just the right speed for me to get use out of all my tilts so I understand my tilts better. Though I keep getting caught off-guard by the proximity tilts which usually leads to the opponent punishing me for using them since they react faster than I do.Little mac was the original character I used to force me to stay on the ground when I notice I'm not using my grounded options enough on other characters, Ryu might become the new character for that role. Especially since playing him makes me very aware of the position of my left stick.Kazuya comes out, so I'll probably play Ryu for one last day and just prepare everything else outside of smash so I can spend some quality time with Kazuya. I'll probably play Ryu one last time on Thursday so I can say I at least played 1 week of Ryu, and say my thoughts on playing him for a week. Though at this moment, I'm just going to say, he's not as hard as I thought he was going to be. I'm just mostly unconfident as heck, but that can be removed with just a bit more practice. I look forward to comparing Terry, Kazuya, and Ryu/Ken when I get done training with Kazuya and Terry next. I'll probably use one of these characters to improve my ground game. My first impression of Terry is that he's pretty easy, but that was mostly day 1 Terry stuff and more casual focused matches, so I'll have to see what he's like to use him properly.
Meta Knight when I was picking him up. His multi jumps make him nearly untouchable by a lot of characters so I sometimes revert back to that when I get overwhelmed). I just feel like on the ground I try so hard to do the footsies thing that I just kind get punched for standing around. Pichu around 3million gsp because they are also a very combo heavy character I struggle to play. It's very demoralizing playing these characters because it makes me question how much I was being carried by my other characters. Especially when some people at this low of GSP feel like they are just as good as people I meet in Elite Smash.
Ryu until Kazuya comes out.Ken when I feel confident with Ryu since Ken seems like he has a much easier time getting in, but has a few extra combo options so I feel Ryu will make me improve faster with the focus on the basics. I didn't forget about Terry, he just feels like easy mode compared to Ryuken in the short time I played him (also Lucario got me to love comeback mechanics, with Ganondorf and Hero making me love huge stupidly huge powerful attacks, so I'll probably favor Terry in the end anyways). Doing combos is my weakest area, so this'll be a nice chance to improve on that.
Roy or Marth?
Ridley is the only big boy I could play competitively. Though Sephiroth and Ridley overlap a lot, and I'm inclined to pick Sephiroth over Ridley since his tilts and fair feel safer... Also I keep command grabbing and attempting skewer when I probably shouldn't and people should've punished me a lot more instead of running away.Sephiroth and Inkling for my favorite of the 8. Love Sephiroth's emphasis on hard reads while still being able to poke and stuff quite safely. I love Inkling because they have a nice balance between using projectiles, and just getting up in the opponent's face for sweet combos and making them panic since they have Ink on them.Mii Swordsman I got into Elite Smash kinda as a joke pretending to be Sephiroth (with 1321) after his announcement until Sephiroth got in. So I didn't get to play with the Chakrams, and that's a big deal. Mii Swordsman actually feels pretty good to play.Dark Pit still feels like the most "honest" character in the roster for me. At this point he kinda feels like a mini Winged Sephiroth. So I'll probably stick with Sephiroth at this point. Sephiroth just outclasses so many characters for me. Never thought a character I obsessed over in my Melee days that I thought was impossible for many reasons would get in.
)... It's almost as if getting a proper amount of sleep improves your reaction time and decision making or something. Stay healthy guys!
Kinda stinks because I do kinda wanna use Isabelle, Mii Gunner, Mega Man and Olimar. I have a hard time playing knowing I'm making someone's day worse, and yes I know literally every character does this, but these ones seem to do it more often. First 3 because I don't want to seem like a Bully (and KRool + DK just make me feel like I've turned my brain off with their gameplay). Wario seems to have an emphasis on running away because of his waft. Peach because while I don't mind girly characters, Peach just turns it up to the maximum and I can't handle it, also I hear she breaks people's hands (with her inputs)Ridley. He's the only one near this category that I can play competitively. He also is my favorite of the big-bodies. He can surprisingly play a lot like Marth who I mained in Melee, I realized this once I fought perhaps the best Marth main I've encountered and our neutral was rather similar at times. (funnily enough I ended up winning a lot because I would do intentionally dumb stuff because I knew it would work since he always played optimally, never thinking outside the box). I was shocked to look up how similar their air movement is, and how a lot of their moves fulfill the same purposes, generally Ridley being slightly slower, but more forgiving with tippers due to how huge he is, but Marth is better at microspacing due to best walk speed. Space Pirate Rush > Shield Breaker, especially since I play Sephy too. Anything else is apples to oranges, and I prefer Ridley's apples. Even if I like Marth's orange dair spike, and dolphin slash being more reliable to recover with and can up+B OoS. I've been taking a break from him to improve at the game, but I will go back to Meta Knight. I always feel like a badass playing him, and people often praise and request to fight my Meta Knight more than any other character. He benefits from general tech, but he does not play in a way to naturally make you use general tech like most characters. So playing other characters to improve with naturally until I can get to a level where I can use Meta Knight properly.Chart isn't updated for Pythra + Sephiroth but I assume Sephy is a Turtle due walling people out with his massive range and projectiles. I may not have played FF7, but I've seen enough cutscenes of him. Also in my Melee days I was obsessed with Sephiroth for a while because he looked so "badass". Got him into Elite Smash on day 1, and he's just one of the easier characters for me to just kick butt with. Optimizing him is going to be hard though. Nair combos and Shadow flare give me a lot of trouble. I play a particularly aggressive Sonic, but even doing that I was just 1 match away from Elite Smash on my first day playing him, despite not training with him. I like Sonic's "it doesn't matter" attitude, and if I was forced to have a theme from Smash to play to hype me up "Open your heart" would probably be the song. So I can easily stick with him for a main... With that said, I could see myself dropping him if Shadow got in a future Smash game.Wolf is just stupidly easy, and I do love his character. Blaster is just a bit too reliable (but I haven't played him since that nerf). However the blaster does help prevent me from getting tilted, especially if someone is trying to tilt me. My biggest concern is that he may teach bad habbits since everything he can do everything and do it better than most characters.Lucario needs general tech to be good to even function since he's so underwhelming in this game compared to most characters so he forces me to improve. Love the character because the movie hit me hard so there will always be character loyalty for him. He also doesn't have BS or auto-pilot combos like Mario. I feel like Pits are the only characters more "honest" than Lucario since his Aura isn't insane like previous games. Playing Lucario often improves my game with all other characters due to how difficult he is to play. Takes a specific kind of person to play Lucario.I love Yoshi, but stuff always keeps happening to prevent me from giving him a good shot. I gotta train with him a little to know whether or not to totally remove him from my potential mains/secondaries. However I can't imagine Yoshi replacing Lucario, especially since I hear complaints about how he nairs constantly, eggs being annoying, and I personally dislike mechanics that require mashing like being in an egg.Links, R.O.B. - I like playing all the trappers as their gameplay is unique, interesting and I love seeing projectiles everywhere, but the problem is I don't care too much about any of them outside of smash which is a bit of a problem for sticking with them. However when I look at these characters, it makes me want to remove that rule. Snake is the most likely though since he seems to take the trapper archetype to the extreme since he has essentially 3 traps on the screen almost all the time. Due to 2 grenades + c4. Izaw's Link vs Calzorz's Snake matches in Brawl is what got me into playing Smash more competitively. Just so much happening, so many mind games, I love it.Pichu because he's like the opposite of Sephiroth, and also seems to cover his bad matchups quite well. Pikachu is easier gameplay-wise at a glance because of his range, and no self-harm. However I get bored with Pikachu, unlike Pichu, so Pichu forces me to pay attention all the time since he's so light, small, and fast. Also Pichu just makes me happy whenever I play him. Pichu is one of my worst characters right now since I'm used to abusive long range and/or projectiles to attack opponents, and I'm not used to crazy combos. So I'm struggling around 3 million gsp, however I feel like he's forcing me to make better decisions and I feel like my other characters have been improving because of my time with Pichu. Also I can easily see Pichu becoming one of my best characters because of how insanely powerful he can get if you know what to do.Joker feels as if someone reached into my brain, and took out what I'd make for a character, then make a few changes, then add on the arsene mechanic. I looked into Persona 5 afterwards and I love the character even more. So Joker is a strong possibility for a main despite never playing their game (I will if it comes to switch). Only problem I have with him is that he looks like a regular anime guy, but at least his outfit makes up for that a bit, and I'm not sure if stuff happens later to make me dislike him, whether from his game or smash gameplay. I've definitely fought Joker a bazillion times and I don't see anything bad about him as long as people don't gun camp when I'm a slow character. Inkling is fast, and has projectiles, and I love Splatoon a lot. However I do hear talks about how they are bair spam the character, but I have to test them out more. Fox. While I don't care about him as a character that much, he is the reason why I got into Smash and Nintendo as a whole because at the time I was like "how in the world is there a character so cool!?". Though Brawl onwards, and actually looking into his games he lost all that "cool" factor. However his gameplay still stands up, and he feels amazing.
Sephiroth and Pichu?. Sephiroth does feel like a nice mix of what it'd feel like to play a swordie, heavy (even though he's light), and a projectile user (even if it's simple compared to others0. Also I love the contrast between Sephiroth's crazy range with high end lag and Pichu's quick movements that basically requires you to touch the opponent.Olimar and Snake. Though since I haven't been at top level of play, I've never struggled with these characters and can generally beat them with any character I'm using at the time since it feels like a lot of Olimar and Snake players rely on using tactics that scare most players at low to mid level play. I'd probably just use Sephiroth for these matchups because it doesn't feel that bad, but I might just use Wolf as a pocket for these matchups since he was very easy to pick up and I normally don't see these two characters anyways. Byleth, but I prefer Sephiroth's more. I highly considered maining Byleth, but after seeing Seph's gameplay, it's clear I'd rather play Sephiroth. Greninja nair. Least character I played that I'll mention here, but that move is oddly satisfying to hit. Links, especially Toon Link. I prefer BOTW Link for more versatility, but I still like this kind of down air.Meta Knight's Dimensional cape and Ridley's Space Pirate Rush. Dimensional cape because it's a move that is a constant threat for the whole match since it can deal nice damage or even KO since it can travel so far anywhere. Ridley's Space Pirate rush because Octaslash drags you so far away... Also because you can do a suicide kill with it (Though Ridley doesn't need to suicide to do it, but I gained a love for suicide KOs from Smash 4 Ganondorf). Not charging it is like not attacking with Meta Knight's Dimensional cape too. Still punishable, but basically only if the opponent reads you which is very hard to do, so it makes it much easier to get to someplace safe.Mega Man's Crash Bomb, which while I generally hate playing or fighting Mega Man because lemons, Crash bomb is something I find incredibly interesting because of the effects on the mental gameplay. Sephiroth's Shadow Flareis more complex and interesting. Especially since the more shadow flares you got on someone, the more likely they are to panic and I love seeing people panic. I haven't played Mega Man enough to enjoy that feeling, but just having Samus's Charge Shot charged is pretty good at replicating that.. Though I've definitely played with projectile characters that charge while you are stationary and can't move . So just combine that and I'm sure I can handle it. It's been very fun using the projectile so far.Marth was my main in Melee, so I grew to love counters. I may not use them as much now because I know better, but it's still nice to have and Scintella is an interesting counter. Also I picked Marth specifically because he could safely outrange CPUs because they kept perfect blocking everything. Also Marth felt cool. Sephiroth is cooler, and even back in the Melee days there were times I'd pretend Marth was Sephiroth. Loving a character helps to stick with them, and thus not lose progress on improving by swapping mains.Cloud and Joker, but I don't get the chance to use characters with slide down tilts, so I've been enjoying sliding under opponent's projectiles or barely avoiding their aerials using it with Sephiroth so far.Marth's (and hero's) Up Smash. Something rewarding about landing a precisely spaced attack. Safe to say I like a lot of Sephiroth's tipper mechanics.Ike/Ganondorf's Up Smash and that's always fun to use.Mewtwo's dash attack. I love getting some surprise KOs with it. Though I gotta admit.... It is a bit addicting using it that it could promote a bad habit though, buuut you could say that about most things with Sephiroth.Pichu just makes me feel incredibly happy whenever I play it. Something about being so small and fast with a lot of power, but you have to be careful because any stray hit could lead to your death. It's almost like playing high aura Lucario all the time, it's so intense! Like the only bad thing about Pichu is that the fast fall speed is about 30% and that makes me incredibly sad, especially since I abused Smash 4 Link's 90% fast fall speed so much (yes I love 90% increase on Joker too). It's so good for messing with the opponent!.... Also not getting the second teleport when playing online against a laggy opponent is pretty lame.
Meta Knight since he was the only character I wanted in smash at the time, and then I played him until I got totally burnt out for several reasons. Afraid of being burnt out again, I decided to do a 100 matches with every character challenge to get a decent understanding. Pace was too slow since I only got through about 10 characters before Ultimate got announced.Wolf (who I was testing out for a long time) and just absolutely obliterate my opponents who were previously destroying me, until someone mentions I'm kicking butt and then I'd go back to my sleepy state again and get destroyed some more. So I had to take a break, during that break I got into VR. VR forced me to get more sleep because some games I couldn't play since some VR games are very relaxing. So now I've been getting proper sleep, and things that took me weeks or months to try to do earlier, were now easily learned within a few hours/days depending on what it was. I did practice with Lucario for a while, but it was maining practicing short hops, but slowly overtime had a bad sleep schedule so I had to fix it again. Now it's fixed and I'm trying to do smash again.Fox for 20th anniversary of playing Smash and I feel bad for not giving him more love because he was the biggest character that drew me to smash (and Nintendo) because of how he is portrayed in 64+Melee, and he was originally going to be my first main. Now I have the reaction time to play him, and I'm not dealing with constant perfect blocking CPUs. Also Fox just so happens to seem to be very helpful with trying to speed up my inputs since he's so fast. Especially with short hops which after trying to play with them previously, I'm getting close to doing them reliably.Mario - Very basic character. Anything he can do can probably be applied to most of the cast. Perhaps Doc instead for less inputs that are more deliberate, also Doc will have extra motivation to speed up using any general techniques available. Little worried they might be too bland and basic, though on the flip side that might make it easier to focus on the more important things that can be applied to everyone. Links - BOTW Link can be surprisingly fast due to his nair and 90% fast fall speed. Also playing him will cause me to be very used to zair-drops as other characters that use zair drop combos don't seem to be as good for learning inputs. Young Link loses the ability to zair drop and trades it for faster speed overall. Might be a good trade since zair drop stuff is rather niche outside of characters that can spawn items and might be good to only learn that when doing matchup stuff. Toon Link seems too projectile heavy, so it'll be harder to use the more general tech that everyone uses.Pichu - Very combo intense so inputs will definitely get better. Unfortunately for some reason Pichu has a slower fast fall than other characters, so hopefully that doesn't let me be lazy about short hops. Pichu being so light and hurting itself will make me consider my options more as well. I prefer Pichu over Pikachu, even though Pikachu is a heck of a lot easier due to Pika's range. If I play them I will have to restrict myself from thunderbolt spam and quick attack shenanigans to improve since they can absolutely nullify some things that characters that makes them unique. Captain Falcon - What better way to practice inputs than with the face of smash? He seems like a versatile character, or at least it feels that way when watching Fatality play him.Ice Climbers - Inputs are what I need to practice more than anything. Ice Climbers are nuts with inputs, so they'd probably make learning new characters feel like a cakewalk. Though I'm not sure if they could use general tech as much because I don't know if the heavy emphasis on de-syncs will allow for that.Sheik - A very rewarding character for good inputs. However if I were to consistently do bad with this character I would judge myself more harshly than any other character since I view Sheik as a character that rewards good play more than most characters. With that said, she's always fun to play, even if I'm losing.Marth - I've come a long way since my Melee days, I could make Marth much better now. Only problem is that Marth doesn't seem all that input intensive, I don't see much to learn from him. Roy could teach me to be a bit more aggressive, but still I'm not sure if they are good to learn or not.Pits - Similar to the Mario situation. However my knowledge on Pits is more limited because I don't see them as much.... With that said Dark Pit is currently the first and only character I have in Elite Smash... Good sleep, and healthy diet does wonders for making it feel like you have cheats on. Hopefully I can stick to that in 2021Zero Suit Samus - Definitely gets plenty of use of b-reverse tech. I don't know her that well but I assume she'd help with inputs because she's so fast.Sonic - The fastest, but b-reverse is much more specific to use compared to ZSS.Lucario - A slowish character, but he benefits more from b-reverse tech than most characters. He needs to short hop because he's too floaty and slow to keep up otherwise. So playing him would always be forcing me to improve my speed that could be applied to other characters, since faster characters can get away with not doing options that speed them up more. Also aura makes me focus for the whole match since while it can be a comeback, the opponent can easily destroy you before the aura gets high enough to do anything in Ultimate.Wolf - Like Fox, very basic, but can be hard to master. However, it can probably be harder to try to improve with Wolf because he is such an easy character to pick up since he's so good.Greninja - Feels kinda like Sheik where they are fast and a lot of inputs, but everything is much more deliberate due to the startup of moves being much slower. - Inputs? Ryu, Ken and Terry are all about that. Ken seems like hard mode, Terry seems like easy mode, and Ryu seems like a nice in-between. Though playing Ryu or Ken will probably give a much stronger sense of control due to the many inputs and because they have a bigger emphasis on light and heavy attacks. Question is, will this control help at learning other characters? Inkling - Fast character = good inputs? They might have a bit more cheesiness compared to other characters here though. I haven't played with them enough, so I feel like I'm missing something when I fight Inkling players because it feels like they aren't doing something to speed up the character.Ridley - I know he's a big body with laggy moves, but he does have an emphasis on spacing like Marth, and he can still do b-reverse stuff (Though not sure how useful it is with him right now) and make use of general tech to improve speed. Also I was on the Ridley hype train for years. Was surprised to see him added into the game so perfectly... Minus up+B, but I understand why it is the way it is. When I was picking up Ridley it drove me nuts though because of the few times I've played Fox in the past.Joker - Seems like a good character for learning inputs. Also he has 90% fast fall speed like Link which is a plus. Though he is top tier and I've had a pretty easy time winning with him, especially if I want to bait the opponent so they trigger arsene. So it could be hard to stay focused on learning to improve with him.
