Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers

[Z1GMA]

you are just running too long. You only have 3 frames to dash grab if you don't buffer it, so you should just flick the analog then grab. Our grab has a very good hitbox above the actual whip, while it has a ****ty lower hitbox, so you can grab MK out of the air much higher than it actually looks like.

Or just learn how to buffer it. You can dash grab buffer almost immediately after MK releases and it makes the timing really easy.

I main Ganon - we make a living out of iDA'ing at the first frame possible after our Flame Choke =p

So if my Dash Grab Command comes out somewhere between frame 1 to 3 after I'm done with the Grabrelease it'll work properly, right?

 

[Bomber7]

would y'all post in this thread? http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228591&page=82

 

[noradseven]

you are just running too long. You only have 3 frames to dash grab if you don't buffer it, so you should just flick the analog then grab. Our grab has a very good hitbox above the actual whip, while it has a ****ty lower hitbox, so you can grab MK out of the air much higher than it actually looks like.

Or just learn how to buffer it. You can dash grab buffer almost immediately after MK releases and it makes the timing really easy.

BUFFERING RULES, true story the buffering window owns in brawl.

 

[earla]

what moves are safe on the opponents shield if spaced perfectly with zss?

should you use these the most for shield pressure?

what are best shield pressure moves?

 

[NickRiddle]

what moves are safe on the opponents shield if spaced perfectly with zss?

should you use these the most for shield pressure?

what are best shield pressure moves?

Bair vs. some characters is safe.

It's really hard to have good shield pressure with ZSS, since she cannot short-hop rising-aerial.

Bair and dtilt are probably the best shield-pressure moves.

 

[noradseven]

Bair vs. some characters is safe.

It's really hard to have good shield pressure with ZSS, since she cannot short-hop rising-aerial.

Bair and dtilt are probably the best shield-pressure moves.

N-air can be uses as a frame trap :D, risky though.

 

[Darky-Sama]

Okay, this has had me curious for awhile since I've pulled it off several times.

Against a Marth on Battlefield, I've been able to perform;
Dash Attack -> Dash Attack -> Up Tilt

As the last dash attack is ending and it pressures Marth just slightly off the stage, I would use Up Tilt directly over the ledge, right were the dash attack ended, and the up tilt would stage spike Marth.

It's happened a good... seven or eight times to me now, all on Marth, but I never took the time to look on the Boards to see if it had been discussed. I'm guessing that the same would apply to Smashville since the stage physics are "almost" the same, but does anyone know if there's been a video or thread dedicated to this?

I need to look into it more and see what other characters this applies to.

 

[solecalibur]

Dash attack -) Dash attack can only be performed at certain % and Utilt im not sure some times people get hit by it some others shield and miss a sheild grab

 

[Darky-Sama]

Dash attack -) Dash attack can only be performed at certain % and Utilt im not sure some times people get hit by it some others shield and miss a sheild grab

Well, yeah. I know that. It's more along the lines of the last dash attack -> up tilt stage spike.

Marth would just fall off the stage and the uptilt would pull him back upward and into the ledge, rather into the center of ZSS's up tilt. I was just wonder if there was any threads or videos on that yet.

 

[Zero]

Bad DI + Bad luck lol

 

[noradseven]

Dash attack -) Dash attack can only be performed at certain % and Utilt im not sure some times people get hit by it some others shield and miss a sheild grab

at certain %s you can repeately do dash attack for a while into u-tilt, its character/percentage dependent though.

 

[Darky-Sama]

Well yeah. Sorta hard to DI her dash attack at lower percents though. It sorta just pushes them right where her dash attack is ending. lolol

I just did it again with a sourspot dash attack -> up tilt stage spike.

 

[solecalibur]

So I just saw Ally use jab and neutralize Fox's Over B and the fact that zss can PAWNCH samus' missing without getting hit makes me curious ...

 

[NickRiddle]

So I just saw Ally use jab and neutralize Fox's Over B and the fact that zss can PAWNCH samus' missing without getting hit makes me curious ...

You mean, does our jab beat Fox's/Falco's side-b? Yes it does.

 

[solecalibur]

You mean, does our jab beat Fox's/Falco's side-b? Yes it does.

So that
0 = Zero suit jabbing
--- = range over falco's fox's over B


Start--------0-----finish

We'd be unharmed?

 

[NickRiddle]

So that
0 = Zero suit jabbing
--- = range over falco's fox's over B


Start--------0-----finish

We'd be unharmed?

I have no idea.
All I know is our jab can beat their side-b.
^^,
I don't really understand the drawing.

 

[solecalibur]

I have no idea.
All I know is our jab can beat their side-b.
^^,
I don't really understand the drawing.

Start = Start animation of there over B and end is where there ending animation is

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

If the question is will we be unharmed. And Nick's answer was I have no idea but our jab BEATS it. Than that means yes. Cause you'll be too busying punching that Furry in the face to take damage.

 

[ph00tbag]

Fox can hit us with his Illusion if we try jabbing through it, I think.

I've never seen Falco's Phantasm connect, though. They clank and either Phantasm keeps going with ZSS unharmed or Falco gets hit.

 

[Xyless]

ZSS on wifi: Don't do it.

She's pretty much impossible on wifi. She's a sniper character, and when a single frame can make the difference between hit and miss, it becomes very difficult to play effectively.

Alternatively, you can spam side b and dsmash on wifi and get away with it. Have a ball.

It's true. Both of my best characters (Peach and ZSS) are major timing characters (Peach with her floats and turnip shenannigans, ZSS with sniping and edgehogging), which is why I rarely play online with them. She doesn't really have any overpowering moves that get a buff from the lag, save dsmash and side B. However, because those are buffed, people who play online with her are even more spammy with them, and thus even more predictable and easier to punish.

I actually find that nair feels a lot safer on wifi for some reason. Also, I kind of find flipspiking easier to do, especially when going to do it for edgeguarding use (aka not when you stun), possibly because people dodge it earlier to compensate for lag.

 

[Nefarious B]

From what I've seen with Falco's side b, it depends at what height he is if we jab. Sometimes he goes through us without doing damage, sometimes he gets hit out of it, and sometimes we take damage. I think he might have invincibility frames at the start of phantasm, so that might have something to do with this.

 

[noradseven]

From what I've seen with Falco's side b, it depends at what height he is if we jab. Sometimes he goes through us without doing damage, sometimes he gets hit out of it, and sometimes we take damage. I think he might have invincibility frames at the start of phantasm, so that might have something to do with this.

it has to do with phantasm has only 4(maybe its 3), 1 frame moments where he can cancel and or we can hit him, the rest of the time he is invulnerable. This is why f-smash works so well good range meaty.

 

[Snakeee]

hey guys I'm a lesbo http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=59441

 

[Zero]

I totally understand. You should come in IRC more often, Frank.

EDIT: It puts the Hazumu avatar even more in perspective. ^^

 

[solecalibur]

I wonder who hi-jacked his account

 

[Snakeee]

I wonder who hi-jacked his account

Lmao no I def made it sound like that though on that post XD. No, I'm serious...exaggerating slightly? maybe :/

 

[Rybaia]

hey guys I'm a lesbo http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=59441

Thank you Snakeee..
Now I've understand what I am..
Maybe..



EDIT:
"heterosexual man who wishes that he had been born a woman"

No ok, no....

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

....

/facepalm

 

[lllp3lll]

it has to do with phantasm has only 4(maybe its 3), 1 frame moments where he can cancel and or we can hit him, the rest of the time he is invulnerable. This is why f-smash works so well good range meaty.

f-smash is good against phantasm's? thought it was just a bad move

Are they any other situational things f-smash can be used for?

 

[noradseven]

f-smash is good against phantasm's? thought it was just a bad move

Are they any other situational things f-smash can be used for?

Not really unless you predict its takes 1/4 of a second for the active frames to start err 16 frames to be exact but once they are out they stay out and f-smash always beats phantasm. But yeah its a terrible move doesn't mean it doesn't have a few uses.

 

[Darky-Sama]

Fsmash is definantly our worst move though. I've found it useful in a few situations, but side+B is definantly more reliable in all those cases.

 

[Zero]

Or Dsmash.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Fsmash is like the mindgame button because:

1. no one ever expects you to use it
2. it always hits for some reason
3. it does pretty decent damage (but ****ty kb of course)

Also:

When Fox/Falco try to Phantasm over your head up smash is ****.

 

[NickRiddle]

I like FD vs. Falco.
I'm a scrub.
CPs are dumb, and dumb stuff happens on them.

 

[Darky-Sama]

I never understood Fsmash too much. Once when me and Got_Mine were using our double ZSS team, I fsmashed a Dedede with the tip of her Fsmash near the edge of Final Destination and it KO'd him at 125%. Knocked him horizontally too pretty fast. Probably just horrible SDI.

Fsmash seems to lack hit-lag frames too.


Also; I don't know why, but I feel safer against Falco on FD or SV than I do on BF. They're much easier to predict when they actually have the room to camp and play their metagame to it's full potential.

 

[Zero]

Horrible regular DI, too!

I guess your situation on FD is valid, but I prefer to put the match in my control, rather then play a reactive game on FD.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

fsmash is really hard to DI, it's programmed this way IIRC.

 

[earla]

"If the dash attack is fresh, the range is approximately 40-60% (+ - 5% for heavy/lightweights)

heavy: 45-65%
light: 35-55%

^ correct?


"a slightly decayed dash attack may have an inescapable range of 60-80%"

what does slightly decayed dash attack refer to? 1 dash attack used?

2. does each jab individually refresh moves?

3. applicatinos for nair?

4. where abouts on the up b does it let you pull them down + you're able to combo. i find they always fall down too fast?

5. whats the f-tilt trip %?

6. If mk nado's your head and lands next to you, what are the best options you can punish with? (dtilt, utilt? any other ideas?

7. applications for d-tilt? i play mk's alot but rarely can seem to get it in.

8. what if a mk's short hop nairing close to you, how do you handle it?

cheers

 

[gamesuxcard]

okay, i alted zss for a long time but eventually got bored, BUT DONT HATE ME I KIND OF WANT TO PICK HER BACK UP.

anyway, since I used to play her I'm pretty interested in how you guys plan on handling the mlg stage procedure. strategy? preferred stages?

 

[Zero]

Character dependant, I suggest you check the Counterpick stages thread.