Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers

[Zero]

Frame data: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197763

Because you can't. You have to wait for the entire move to finish. If you do any button input during Down-B, you do the Flip-Kick attack, which has a larger cooldown.

tl;dr: Don't press buttons except jump during Flip Jump.

 

[earla]

what infinite does zss have on d3?

 

[CRASHiC]

none. notta. zip.

 

[Snakeee]

i think the diddy matchup is either even or 55:45 diddy.


a big majority of that matchup is an item war, zss has GREAT banana game if you know what you're doing (forward glide toss to dsmash followup/ z dropping to follow up, tossing it down to bair shieldpoke to trip) yeah it's all circumstantial but zss has alot of options with a banana. When the diddy does nothing but peanut camp with a banana in hand and a banana underneath him then it gets kinda hard...

I agree. Howeve (like Nef said)r, you can just powershield the peanuts while walking most of the time until he throws the banana. With good reflexes, you should be able to catch a lot of the bananas, and with a naner in hand, ZSS has a lot of power. Her naner game is extremely good, and there are plenty of mix ups with it.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

ZSS doesn't have an infinite on d3 but I am pretty sure fthrow->walk dsmashx2 grab->fthrow->walk dsmash x2 grab->fthrow is a combo

 

[Nefarious B]

ZSS doesn't have an infinite on d3 but I am pretty sure fthrow->walk dsmashx2 grab->fthrow->walk dsmash x2 grab->fthrow is a combo

Oh lawd time to try this out. I have a surprising number of decent DDDs popping up in my region lately...

 

[Boo-Boo]

thank you zero you helped me alot

 

[Richter Abend]

I think I asked this somewhere already, but I can't remember, so I'll ask here.

Does anyone know a link to download Gold Zero Suit Samus, both the .pac and .pcs? I have both the Silver Cannon and Red Cannon Gold Suit Samus, but I'm still looking for the Zero Suit. Cold anyone help me with this, please?

 

[Kewkky]

Quick Q: Is there hitbox/bubble data/videos on ZSS yet? I'm downloading my characters' hitbox/bubble videos to view whenever I want offline, and I don't recall ever seeing a ZSS one.

 

[hyperhopper]

should i use snake or diddy to cover ZSS falco and diddy weakness?

 

[Goldenadept]

hey this might be a noob question but i've been watching zamus vids lately and I've seen ppl (most notably nickriddle and snakeee) doing her down air but instead of her foot going straight down she kinda puts it off to the side and it gains some sort of spiking quality, sorry if i can't explain it very well, it seems like a common thing zamus mains use i've just never used it personally and can't figure out how to

 

[Nefarious B]

it's her down b spike, you just down b and then press anything except jump and she will kick, if you hit within the first few frames it spikes if they're in the air. If you hit in later frames while they're in the air you get a weak horizontal hit, and if they're on the ground no matter at what point in the kick you get a very strong horizontal kick.

 

[Goldenadept]

oh ok, that explains why i couldnt do it, i thought it was a variation of her down a XD thanks for that i'll try using it, it just looks cool X3

 

[earla]

are there some quality write-ups on how to handle certain matchups for zss?

i had a look and i found just links to the 'discussion' thread. is there a place with summarized info?

what is the best way to finish grab release infinite on wario? + what %?
what stages are good to take wario to?

what is the zss v wolf matchup like?

what are applications for up-smash?

how do you recover v mk? i find myself in trouble when they hang on the edge. sometimes i can get a down b but it generall wall jumps and mk is still sitting on the edge. advice??

whats the after lag on zss's d-tilt, f-tilt?

is d-tilt generally the better option as it has more follow ups + comes out a frame earlier?

what is the % chance of f-tilt tripping?

 

[Zero]

how do you recover v mk? i find myself in trouble when they hang on the edge. sometimes i can get a down b but it generall wall jumps and mk is still sitting on the edge. advice??

Hold jump and it will flipstool.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Hold jump and it will flipstool.

How to gimp ZSS as MK:

1. Launch offstage
2. grab the ledge
3. when ZSS reaches the ledge, hop off, nair, and grab the ledge again
4. interrupt remaining recovery method (jump or downb) with an attack
5. grab ledge

The only way ZSS can really combat this is by recovering low and attempting to uair MK out of his aerial (which is guaranteed but risky if your uair spacing sucks).

 

[Snakeee]

How to gimp ZSS as MK:

1. Launch offstage
2. grab the ledge
3. when ZSS reaches the ledge, hop off, nair, and grab the ledge again
4. interrupt remaining recovery method (jump or downb) with an attack
5. grab ledge

The only way ZSS can really combat this is by recovering low and attempting to uair MK out of his aerial (which is guaranteed but risky if your uair spacing sucks).

I get it about 90% of the time

 

[Nefarious B]

You should add that if you DI well (or didn't get hit with hax dair trajectory) and recover high like snakeee suggests you have a totally different set of issues to worry about.

In that case, I've found that MK will either:
1. Try and juggle you with uairs
2. Nado
3. Go for a SL gimp
4. Try and knock you off again with nair usually

In my experience, you can usually dodge SL by using the start up sound cue, but if you get hit by it it's really bad so you have to always be wary. Uair and nado both accomplish the same thing by tossing you back up vertically, nado is much harder to avoid but if you're high enough the MK will have to go into free fall. Uair kills better obviously so if you're high percent they wont normally nado. Nair is pretty scary in this situation

 

[Jon Farron]

Ok, im confused about switiching from Samus to ZSS during battle. I have the controls setup for the up and down taunt on the d-pad but it wont work. Do i have to let each taunt finish or just push up down up superfast? Please help because shes my second and when i get a smash ball im toast cuz i stink with normal samus...

 

[Darky-Sama]

You have to press it really fast. I've gotten it down so well that she doesn't even start her taunt animation. She just kneels down and strips.

Edit: Eww, items.

 

[James Sparrow]

I've never once been able to pull off the transformation. ever.

 

[Jon Farron]

Eww, items.

Well, excuse me for having fun...

On topic, thanks, i`ll have to practice that later.

 

[NickRiddle]

I've never once been able to pull off the transformation. ever.

I can transform in under 2 seconds.
Also, wtf, you still post?

 

[Jon Farron]

OMG ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSFORM!!!
I cant do it and i have been trying for an hour!

 

[ph00tbag]

lol James Sparrow

Yeroc can do that **** on command. It's scary.

I'm not too bad at it myself.

 

[xxpatgxx]

I can transform in under 2 seconds.
Also, wtf, you still post?

With this ability I was trying to use Suited Samus on some of her good matchups, and then become ZSS after a star KO to switch it up. This would obviously be like Zelda and Sheik, but ofcourse you remain ZSS till the end. Wes has done it to me and I think it can help us if we play an amazing Samus.

 

[noradseven]

I got a decent samus I still have problems doing some of her crazier loops, but **** if you arn't a crazy short character, and we arn't playing some level like halberd... that her d-air is a beast. Some of her stuff like j.d-air missle land cancel, u-tilt owns so hard though, and when people arn't used to seeing brawl samus they get confused real quick.

lol James Sparrow

Yeroc can do that **** on command. It's scary.

I'm not too bad at it myself.

I can do it instantly, no problem too man. Easier than super jump flight canceling in MvC2 .

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

James Sparrow what the ffffffff

Fun fact, I used to think james sparrow and nick riddle were the same person and got the names mixed up a lot.

James Riddle, Nick Sparrow, etc.

 

[earla]

hey guys sorry if someone has already asked this but i cant be bothered looking through 159 pages of questions!
just wondering if zamus is actually viable in teams at the highest level of play?

 

[lllp3lll]

just wondering if zamus is actually viable in teams at the highest level of play?

Yes, try looking @ the Official Team Disccusion Thread
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=261212

 

[Z1GMA]

Is ZSS' aerial Grabrelease -> Dash Grab garantueed on MK?
I haven't had the chance to test it on a human.

 

[Zero]

Yes

1c0hars

 

[NickRiddle]

Is ZSS' aerial Grabrelease -> Dash Grab garantueed on MK?
I haven't had the chance to test it on a human.

100% guaranteed. Too bad all you get out of it is a DA or a U-smash...

 

[Zero]

You can get an attack out of it? :O I didn't even know zomg

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I think you can DAlock MK, not sure. Should be tested with lucas and pika too I guess. (air release)
I do know you can GR > dalock ness and lucas :3 (ground release)

 

[ph00tbag]

James Sparrow what the ffffffff

Fun fact, I used to think james sparrow and nick riddle were the same person and got the names mixed up a lot.

James Riddle, Nick Sparrow, etc.

I did that, too.

 

[Nefarious B]

I think you can DAlock MK, not sure. Should be tested with lucas and pika too I guess. (air release)
I do know you can GR > dalock ness and lucas :3 (ground release)

I'm pretty sure you can't do it against MK, I think we can only hit with the very farthest hitbox which gives them time to shield. DA-jab might still be legit

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm pretty sure you can't do it against MK, I think we can only hit with the very farthest hitbox which gives them time to shield. DA-jab might still be legit

MHmmmss okies

 

[Dumbfire]

What are the best matchups to train against?
This is ofcourse a stupid Question, because I should learn every matchup. But, wich one's do you want to study more? I have find Snake an interesting one.

Against Falco, I decided to Secondary Pikachu. I have quitted playing on wi-fi. That because of all the lame FAlco's who think the are pro. I have always admitted that I suck, but those guy's annoy me. I know wi-fi sucks anyway. I always sayd to those falco's to just go to Smashboards and get *****. No one did ever did it. I quitted when one sayd that he was so proud of himself. He 6 stocks a level 9 Bowser, getting only 149 damage. I laught. I explained that he could just CG to like 50 procent, easily approach on Bowser and especially that level 9 CPU suckt.

He also said that he could defeat the matchup against Pikachu. I said that those Pikachu's never CG't. They didn't. But those guy's just don't understand that things. I know so much on paper. But I just fail at playing in the end. It was pretty useless that I said that, but watch out for those people on wi-fi =p

Man, those peopel almost ruin't brawl for me. Man, I should stop talking. Man, I wil now.

 

[Zatchiel]

Does anyone here know how Zamus can Edge-guard Space animals without edge-hogging?