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Why MK should NOT be banned (the opinion from someone who actually fights them)
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Maniclysane
Smash Lord
Other than what the media told you?
He made it legal to tap in on your phones and record you. That's enough to be considered a ****ty president.
EDIT: I'll take this to private messages like you asked, lolz
tocador
Smash Lord
ludicolo is underrated, he is very good and should be moved to OU.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Yes yes we all know MK shouldn't and won't be banned...
So why are we still discussing this?
So why are we still discussing this?
DMG is a pretty cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything
<3
We aren't
the proban side left the thread LOOONG ago
The Milk Monster
Smash Champion
Meta not being banned to a discussion about Politics. Get wrecked Smash Boards.
All logic or reason has been thrown out the window.
But for srs, Meta is legit, you'll find a better then the rest character in every fighting game. Sagat/SF2 Akuma/Yun/Bob in Tekken 6/Fox in Melee.
It's whatever. So far this is the only game I've seen to make THIS big of a controversy about it. He's not impossible, just incredibly hard to get around. If the situation arises, just play a different character then your main against Metaknight. If he was out, then people would play more Snake, find stupid **** for him, and then the people would find a reason to complain about him. It's ridic. A lot of people would lose their viability and their appeal without Metaknight to worry about, as well as their metagame wouldn't really evolve much more.
So I mean, why ban someone who isn't really on the grounds to be banned? SF2 Akuma needed a CHEAT to unlock and play, he wasn't meant to be used seriously. Unlimited forms in BlazBlue, yeah, they need to be unlocked, and are completely ridiculous. They deserve to be banned. Metaknight is just really good. You just need to play less aggressive, because Metaknight will obviously beat you.
All logic or reason has been thrown out the window.
But for srs, Meta is legit, you'll find a better then the rest character in every fighting game. Sagat/SF2 Akuma/Yun/Bob in Tekken 6/Fox in Melee.
It's whatever. So far this is the only game I've seen to make THIS big of a controversy about it. He's not impossible, just incredibly hard to get around. If the situation arises, just play a different character then your main against Metaknight. If he was out, then people would play more Snake, find stupid **** for him, and then the people would find a reason to complain about him. It's ridic. A lot of people would lose their viability and their appeal without Metaknight to worry about, as well as their metagame wouldn't really evolve much more.
So I mean, why ban someone who isn't really on the grounds to be banned? SF2 Akuma needed a CHEAT to unlock and play, he wasn't meant to be used seriously. Unlimited forms in BlazBlue, yeah, they need to be unlocked, and are completely ridiculous. They deserve to be banned. Metaknight is just really good. You just need to play less aggressive, because Metaknight will obviously beat you.
The Milk Monster
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I try my best to be legit.
And with a name like Milk, who couldn't love me?
inb4lactose
The Milk Monster
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Chuee, your post was post #1337, and supporting the love for me.
How much better can life get, honestly? <3
How much better can life get, honestly? <3
6Mizu
Smash Champion
So has the talk about MK being banned stopped?
Kaffei
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HAHAHA some guy made a pro ban thread you will see me on there ;]
YOU KNOW IM DOWN BRAH
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Is the Diddy MK MU really a 50:50?
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
idk i haven't checked the character boards in a minute because they are mostly wifi players putting stuff on paper
so who really knows
Kaffei
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M2K sucks at the Diddy MU so don't base everything off the fact that M2K lost to ADHD
Just saying.
HeroMystic
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Probably not, but I'm not going to outright say no. I haven't seen any MK with good banana control either.
M2k doesnt completely suck at the diddy matchup either
dekar is dumb (yet cute) for saying that
because m2k has been shutting down ninjalink and adhd (back when ninjalink created alot of diddys metagame) for a WHOLE YEAR
also that takes away from wyatt
but who knows about m2k
hes mad abnoxious drunk
dekar is dumb (yet cute) for saying that
because m2k has been shutting down ninjalink and adhd (back when ninjalink created alot of diddys metagame) for a WHOLE YEAR
also that takes away from wyatt
but who knows about m2k
hes mad abnoxious drunk
ADHD also beat Havok, Shadow, and Ksizzle.
I think the MU is even because ADHD says it is, and he plays a lot of top mks.
takeurlife2
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to be fair, m2k played terribly in pound finals. He did allot of really stupid ****
Overswarm
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Most Diddy players think is is even or in MKs favor (tie in poll), most MKs think it is a tie matchup, slightly more think it is in MK's favor than Diddy's. All the high-ranking players with the exception of Mew2King think it is even or in MKs favor.
ADHD, you are to Diddy what Ally is to Snake. MKs dominance has grown and has continued to grow. You know why it's so weird that the top tier characters all seem to have closer matchups with MK?
To put this in perspective:
-virtually every character in the game has a hard counter that requires a ridiculous amount of preperation and style change to even compete with. Characters lower on the tier list like Luigi, ROB, Peach and the like, and characters higher on the tier list like Falco, ICs, and D3, can all hard counter someone or be hard countered.
-Every other character has "close matchups" pretty much throughout top tier to mid tier. Random characters just seem to go even with characters even though they're much lower on the tier list
-Metaknight is far and away the most common character at all levels of play, and has more wins, top 2s, top 3s, top 5s, top 8s, and top 32s than anyone else in the game. Hell, most of the characters combined can't touch his statistics.
So if you haven't figured it out, Metaknight made the tier list. Despite the fact that all these other top tier characters have bad matchups, the characters that beat them don't show up in tournament anymore. They get taken out pretty early by MK, so you get the closer matchups at the top of the tier list.
Also, I did surprisingly well against Mew2King with Diddy yesterday in both doubles and singles.
I don't play Diddy.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Yeah see? That's my thing...
Diddy's places first at a regional, and he says the MU is even... but is that right?
Sometimes, arguments sound better when detailed and explained to simple extremes. If you just want a small sentence full of holes and lacking in actual argument fodder, I'm sorry but I can't comply.
It's like if the founding fathers would ask for a shorter, less time-consuming read than what the Declaration Of Independence was, or if lawyers would ask for smaller, much more condensed Law manuals... You're not gonna have the whole argument, therefore it'll be easier to disprove it... And even worse if's not explained in full context.
And what if I hid in there "PM me by saying ghoweaaa and I'll mail you a thousand bucks"? That was your chance just blown away, because of laziness.
In my personal opinion... I don't think it's dead even.
And pro-ban didn't leave, you guys just spam too much too fast. How long has it been since my last reply? I don't think I'd leave a thread unattended unless discussion dies completely, my mind's changed, or it gets locked.
And I feel insulted when people say "all of pro-ban are scrubs who don't want to put in the effort to learn how to play against MK"... What, then, do I have to do to get some serious discussion going on here without being addressed as a "scrub", "lazy", "dumb/lacking-in-logic" player? Apparently there's no possible way and I just have to go on attempting to phaze your impenetrable brick-walled minds.
Sometimes, arguments sound better when detailed and explained to simple extremes. If you just want a small sentence full of holes and lacking in actual argument fodder, I'm sorry but I can't comply.
It's like if the founding fathers would ask for a shorter, less time-consuming read than what the Declaration Of Independence was, or if lawyers would ask for smaller, much more condensed Law manuals... You're not gonna have the whole argument, therefore it'll be easier to disprove it... And even worse if's not explained in full context.
And what if I hid in there "PM me by saying ghoweaaa and I'll mail you a thousand bucks"? That was your chance just blown away, because of laziness.
In my personal opinion... I don't think it's dead even.
And pro-ban didn't leave, you guys just spam too much too fast. How long has it been since my last reply? I don't think I'd leave a thread unattended unless discussion dies completely, my mind's changed, or it gets locked.
And I feel insulted when people say "all of pro-ban are scrubs who don't want to put in the effort to learn how to play against MK"... What, then, do I have to do to get some serious discussion going on here without being addressed as a "scrub", "lazy", "dumb/lacking-in-logic" player? Apparently there's no possible way and I just have to go on attempting to phaze your impenetrable brick-walled minds.
Well your not all of pro-ban the reason we were saying all of pro-ban left because for a solid couple of hours no one was posting back and the main force here on anti-ban side were controlling the front lines
Also the only person here that i know of that is mad insulting is king beef hahah no one especially not me said all of pro-ban is scrubs
everyone has different reasons for MK wanting to be banned some are respectable some aren't and you have displayed you would have respectful and decent reasons for MK being banned thats why i dont mind a decent discussion with you
also kewkky i like to keep my mind open i was previously pro - ban but i especially got convienced after TONS of tournament experience and non stop learning the MU and some sediments from top level metaknights and people like chu definitally help me too and my son ally :D
What chuuee said basically haha
inb4 namesearch
Eddie G
Smash Hero
Well what did you expect Allied? When I tried to make a legitimate post for an argument there was way too much trolling going on. I put the blame specifically on RDK's debate style for that.
Other than that, I wouldn't mind a decent discussion, but apparently the thread went to **** way before I even joined in on it.
I just treat people the same way they treat me, bro. I don't deliberately insult someone for absolutely no reason.
Other than that, I wouldn't mind a decent discussion, but apparently the thread went to **** way before I even joined in on it.
I just treat people the same way they treat me, bro. I don't deliberately insult someone for absolutely no reason.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
Hey, just wanted to pop in to tell you guys, I haven't left the discussion for good; some pretty serious IRL stuff has come up, and that has to take precedence over schooling you in MK debates. ^_-
Seriously, though. Life takes precedence. Maybe I'll be able to come back tomorrow.
You also gotta blame us too because alot of us have been posting in this thread and previous MK poll threads since Page 1
and i've seen so many recycled ill-formatted arguements the only way to make it stop is to tell them to re-read the past pages (which they don't) or troll and also i was joking i know you dont really mean it, it does get mad frusterating lol
@ jack you dont gotta lie jack thats dat namesearch XD
solecalibur
Smash Master
say im the best mario in the state and most MKs get lower rankings and I say Metaknight MU vs mario is 60/40 mario's favor , would you listen if that was only state that played competitively?
For the record Allied... I was anti-ban at first, then pro-ban, then anti-ban again, and am back at pro-ban after what I saw at Pound4. I keep thinking to myself "Hey, I probably overreacted, MK can't be THAT bad, heck I never lose to them in tourneys here in PR and I have literally three-stocked a good number while using Kirby, who's a character the boards agree is at a bad disadvantage...!", but everytime something comes up that reminds me why I even considered changing to pro-ban, I look for info that might help anyone else see it from my point of view (like Tekken4's lifespan and what caused its death) and come back to try and phaze some people.
Even if they don't change to "pro-ban" acknowledging that Brawl is in a similar situation that Tekken4 suffered would be enough for me... Which is why at the start of my thread I specified that I'm not attempting to start any "ban MK" debates, and that it was merely an informative read made to inform people. Heh, and look at what the thread has brought so far (my thread was the first in the recent series of MK debates so I guess I can take some blame for the whole debate thing reviving).
MK being banned in the end or not isn't as bad as people like RDK though. He might know how to debate, but he sure as hell doesn't know how to present his debates in a way it won't piss people off and blind them with rage.
Even if they don't change to "pro-ban" acknowledging that Brawl is in a similar situation that Tekken4 suffered would be enough for me... Which is why at the start of my thread I specified that I'm not attempting to start any "ban MK" debates, and that it was merely an informative read made to inform people. Heh, and look at what the thread has brought so far (my thread was the first in the recent series of MK debates so I guess I can take some blame for the whole debate thing reviving).
MK being banned in the end or not isn't as bad as people like RDK though. He might know how to debate, but he sure as hell doesn't know how to present his debates in a way it won't piss people off and blind them with rage.
The Milk Monster
Smash Champion
I'd say Meta Diddy being even is a bit exaggerated. I'd say it's 55:45 Meta maybe, give or take.
But I don't really play any good Meta's, so I don't even see the match up played much.
But for real, It's incredibly close to even more a multiple number of reason, and if the match up fluctuates much, it'll be because of ADHD.
But I don't really play any good Meta's, so I don't even see the match up played much.
But for real, It's incredibly close to even more a multiple number of reason, and if the match up fluctuates much, it'll be because of ADHD.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
ITT, we ignore the fact that player's are human.
haha yeah i've been 3 stocked hard with kirby too thats why i went pro - ban for a minute XD MK matchup is mad hard with kirby yeah i think alot of these common arguements i see should be sticky'd
Not pros :D
Karcist
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(Referring to where you inserted blue in my post)
If ADHD's opinion trumps everyone then what is the point of this thread? I guess because you agree with him that makes whatever you have to say gospel too right? I can't take you seriously
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
diddy's broken
Dekar173
Justice Man
Hey I tried to teach you but 5 minutes wasn't enough ;P
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ADHD is Jesus. He will lead us to salvation and rectify the sinful plague casted from Metaknight.
Karcist
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You would think so after reading some people's responses... haha
ksizl4life
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thanks alot tho! i got home and practiced that stuff. i couldnt see that much it was useful when you were teaching me then but now i see the awesomeness!! thanks again!
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