What is your most hated criticism against your most wanted character?

[Oracle Link]

Actually I was referring to Whispy Woods. I've been wanting him since shortly after Smash 4 finished up.

Biomass I think would be a fun character if they did it's grabbing right but I've never been vocal about it before now, and it'd probably be a better fit in the new Fraymakers, fingers crossed it gets in!

Hey my boy Kracko deserves some love to Whispey was already part of 2 stages now its his turn

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Any Non Triforce Zelda Character
-Too obscure! Not enough appearances!
Characters like Impa have had plenty of appearances and has more than enough popularity to warrant an inclusion. Skull Kid may not have many appearances, but Majoras Mask has become a pop culture icon.

Phoenix Wright
-Not big enough!
He’s probably the biggest icon of the DS, considering he had 6 games on it. The phrase “Objection!” Is something people who haven’t played games know. He has more than enough popularity. His games not selling as much as RE, Monster Hunter, or DMC is the only way I see this argument working.
-No moveset potential!
This is something that really grinds my gears because its so easily disproven. He’s already been in fighting games, he can have a moveset.

 

[Velvet Rebirth]

Hey my boy Kracko deserves some love to Whispey was already part of 2 stages now its his turn

Don't worry when Whispy gets revealed as the next dlc he'll come with a Bubbly Clouds stage featuring Kracko

 

[JOJONumber691]

He's a Meme Character, would be an Echo with DK Up-B, My other two are too obscure to think of anything lol.

 

[3DSNinja]

.. Uh, who's the character? And who are they echoing?

 

[SharkLord]

Think I've said this before, but it really irks me when people insist on "moveset potential" being a qualification or a point in someone's favor. Anybody can be made unique with enough effort; It's just something Sakurai does, not a requirement. Either way, I don't think Nintendo cares that much compared to the profitability of the character. It just comes off as meaningless at best and pushing personal opinion as fact at worst.

 

[Lionfranky]

Think I've said this before, but it really irks me when people insist on "moveset potential" being a qualification or a point in someone's favor. Anybody can be made unique with enough effort; It's just something Sakurai does, not a requirement. Either way, I don't think Nintendo cares that much compared to the profitability of the character. It just comes off as meaningless at best and pushing personal opinion as fact at worst.

On the other hand, I doubt they would put Jonesy in the same pass because of how much he overlaps with Steve.

Speaking of moveset, I find it ironic that TF2 Heavy supporter has nerve to say Chief doesn't have moveset potential. I know people have different opinion all that, but even that philosophy has limit. Objectively, Chief has much more to pull from than anyone from TF2.

 

[SharkLord]

I've found that anything that uses perceived "budgeting issues" or an "Impossible moveset" as a knock against a character doesn't sit well with me. It comes off as very presumptuous; We don't know how their moveset would be done, we don't know how much it would cost to make it, and we don't know how much money Nintendo is willing to spend on the characters. We don't know anything about that, so we can't say for certain. As a result, we can't use it as a point for or against someone, because it's just a lot of unknown variables that we can't learn more about until after the fact.

 

[Janx_uwu]

Spirit Events being used as a deconfirmation.
...I don't get it. Who even plays in Spirit Events anyways?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Spirit Events being used as a deconfirmation.
...I don't get it. Who even plays in Spirit Events anyways?

That's not the point. The point is that they would save those spirits for the appropriate challenger pack if it was being made.

 

[Champion of Hyrule]

Spirit Events being used as a deconfirmation.
...I don't get it. Who even plays in Spirit Events anyways?

I mean, if Mii Costumes deconfirm then spirit events would probably deconfirm too

 

[SharkLord]

Spirit Events being used as a deconfirmation.
...I don't get it. Who even plays in Spirit Events anyways?

It's less the even themselves and more the timing. The Spirit Events are quicker and easier to slap together than a full pack, so chances are the Spirit Team is aware of the six fighters chosen for a pass. The Spirit Events also use the most notable characters from their series, which are the ones who would be a fighter. This implies that they aren't planned to be a fighter, which is why they had a Spirit instead.

 

[Perkilator]

...I don't get it. Who even plays in Spirit Events anyways?

I do

 

[DynoStretch]

Phoenix Wright - "He's not a fighter!"

Didn't stop him from butting heads with Magneto and The Incredible freaking Hulk. Not to mention that time he teamed up with Chrom, Fiora, Ryu and Heihachi to save multiple dimensions.

Lloyd Irving - "Generic anime swordfighter" "I want Yuri instead"

This argument is used for virtually any Japanese rpg protagonist with a sword nowadays. Funny enough I never see the argument used when Dante is talking about, I guess if the tone is dark and 'mature' it's okay.

Fair enough about the Yuri argument, though people's reasoning tending to be just him having more attitude and his goal in ToV being to kill a guy isn't really compelling enough to make me want to switch to support him instead.

KOS-MOS - "Anime waifu bait!!"

Clearly that's the only reason people want her, and not because she'd be a powerful sci-fi fighter with energy lasers and missiles who's practically a secondary mascot to Namco.

Saber/Artoria - "Literally porn!!!" "Anime waifu bait!!"

Yeah, I mostly just disregard the 'anime' arguments in general, because they're silly and tend to be from the same people who think the rest of the roster should be all western characters.

The 'literally porn' thing is a meme-level exaggeration, it's like saying the film Titanic is a porno because Jack and Rose bonk in one scene.

 

[SharkLord]

Phoenix Wright - "He's not a fighter!"

Didn't stop him from butting heads with Magneto and The Incredible freaking Hulk. Not to mention that time he teamed up with Chrom, Fiora, Ryu and Heihachi to save multiple dimensions.

Lloyd Irving - "Generic anime swordfighter"

This argument is used for virtually any Japanese rpg protagonist with a sword nowadays. Funny enough I never see the arguemtn used when Dante is talking about, I guess if the tone is dark and 'mature' it's okay.

KOS-MOS - "Anime waifu bait!!"

Clearly that's the only reason people want her, and not because she'd be a powerful sci-fi fighter with energy lasers and missiles who's practically a secondary mascot to Namco.

Saber/Artoria - "Literally porn!!!" "Anime waifu bait!!"

Yeah, I mostly just disregard the 'anime' arguments in general, because they're silly and tend to be from the same people who think the rest of the roster should be all western characters. The 'literally porn' thing is a meme-level exaggeration, it's like saying the film Titanic is a porno because Jack and Rose bonk in one scene.

Not to be that guy, but I think it's more accurate to call her the mascot of MonoSoft. Most of her appearances seem to be from games developed by them, such as XC2 and Project X Zone. Though, I'm not the most knowledgeable regarding her, so if there's a more comprehensive list of her cameos that'll let me get the facts straight I'm all for it.

 

[Megadoomer]

Lloyd Irving - "Generic anime swordfighter" "I want Yuri instead"

This argument is used for virtually any Japanese rpg protagonist with a sword nowadays. Funny enough I never see the argument used when Dante is talking about, I guess if the tone is dark and 'mature' it's okay.

I assume it's because Dante doesn't just have swords - even if we just limit it to Devil May Cry 3 like Marvel vs. Capcom did, there's plenty of options to work with (and that's not even getting into the motorcycle chainsaws or the hat), whereas Lloyd just uses swords for weapons. (at least, as far as I know - I think I got halfway through Tales of Symphonia) There's plenty that could be done with swords (as Soul Calibur makes pretty clear), but I assume that's why Dante isn't brought up as a "generic anime swordfighter".

 

[SharkLord]

I assume it's because Dante doesn't just have swords - even if we just limit it to Devil May Cry 3 like Marvel vs. Capcom did, there's plenty of options to work with (and that's not even getting into the motorcycle chainsaws or the hat), whereas Lloyd just uses swords for weapons. (at least, as far as I know - I think I got halfway through Tales of Symphonia) There's plenty that could be done with swords (as Soul Calibur makes pretty clear), but I assume that's why Dante isn't brought up as a "generic anime swordfighter".

There's also the fact that Devil May Cry's art style doesn't lean towards being explicitly anime-esque, with DMCV leaning into full-on photorealism. As such, he doesn't activate the "anime/JRPGs=bad/oversaturated" trigger some people seem to have developed.

 

[Otoad64]

oh, got another one


I hate how people say Tails would just be a Sonic clone

 

[SharkLord]

oh, got another one


I hate how people say Tails would just be a Sonic clone

How the %$#@ do you even

 

[Otoad64]

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How the %$#@ do you even

they say he would just reuse Sonic's moveset but with a different Up Special because "in the classic games he's just Sonic with an extra ability" even though he does much more than that

 

[RileyXY1]

they say he would just reuse Sonic's moveset but with a different Up Special because "in the classic games he's just Sonic with an extra ability" even though he does much more than that

And it's clear that the people who believe this have only played the classic Sonic games.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I like that this thread is turn into a good stress reliever lmao

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Think I've said this before, but it really irks me when people insist on "moveset potential" being a qualification or a point in someone's favor. Anybody can be made unique with enough effort; It's just something Sakurai does, not a requirement. Either way, I don't think Nintendo cares that much compared to the profitability of the character. It just comes off as meaningless at best and pushing personal opinion as fact at worst.

I think this mindset comes from Smash 4. You see, when Smash "speculators" (can't believe im saying this) were starting to talk about characters, it tended to be "which notable Nintendo Characters are left", which meant the likes of Ridley and K.Rool were heavily disscussed. Mega Man was obvious so nothing really changed after he was confirmed, Wii Fit was seen as just your standard "lol Sakurai is so random" character.

It was Rosalina that really put this narrative into play. When people were thinking of the next Mario character, people's minds went to Toad, Bowser Jr, and Waluigi (and maybe Paper Mario) due to their seniority, legacy and popularity in the Smash fanbase AND general Nintendosphere, so to see Rosalina be chosen was a shock to many. Rosalina was NOWHERE as requested as those 3, was far more recent and had less prominence in Mario as a whole (she was notably reduced to a minor role in Galaxy 2, and only truly flourished in MK when it came to Spin-Offs) people had a hard time trying to reason why she was the one chosen (Bowser Jr stopped being prominent in Smash 4 Speculation for the most part, up until the ESRB Leak) and people noticed how her moveset stood out, and let people to believe Rosalina's moveset idea was the main reason for being chosen.

This only was further reinforced to its logical extreme with Robin's reveal. People believe that Chrom was going to be the chosen one due to him being basically FE's latest "poster boy" and the token Lord of the most recent installment at that time, so to see Robin was a surprise to many (ESPECIALLY due to the infamous "Gematsu Leak" which supported Chrom) and the reasoning was............basically Chrom felt too vanilla and Robin was easier to picture as his own full-fledged fighter:

At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.

Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect!
In the end, if a game isn't fun, then there's no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games.

Although it's not that "Chrom wasn't unique", but rather "Robin was faster and easier to figure out a moveset for and i can't be arsed to slowdown this game's development too much because jesus christ im making basically 2 games for 2 different systems for the same year"

This narrative also happened because of Smash 4 being more brazen and less strict with its movesets compared to earlier games. Smash 64 was clearly built with basic character types in Mind (Mario was the token Shotoclone, DK was the token Heavyweight, Falcon was your basic rushdown character) but slowly became less basic as the series went on, and the newcomers stood out more with unorthodox characters that were the exception to the norm like Zelda and Shiek or R.O.B, but in Smash 4, they BECAME the norm, but it seems most people didn't catch up to that.

It feels to me that the more wacky movesets we got today for Newcomers are a result of Sakurai simply having more time, budget and resources to give the characters he choices a much more proper treatment, rather being chosen just for the uniqueness.

For example, K.Rool made it in because he was a prominent important character from a highly successful game series, whose popularity allowed him to stay afloat for years after its retirement, not because he has a steel belly that can reflect and tank damage.

 

[LAA9000]

For my most wanted characters, most criticisms I see are perfectly valid, like 'they'd just be an Inkling Echo', 'Scout would be a better fit for Smash' and 'Valve have no relations with Nintendo' (besides the Portal 2 world in LEGO Dimensions but can that really be counted?).

However, a Discord server I'm in has a DLC speculation channel, which has given birth to some pretty ridiculous statements and completely wild experiences. Since this is kind of a 'speculation venting' thread now, I'll share some of the madness that has ensued in that channel here:

Spoiler: Long wall o' text

• Numerous instances of someone bringing up a Capcom character like Dante or Monster Hunter only to be told that Chun-Li will obviously get in before any other Capcom character because she's 'more iconic'. When they, in return, bring up the unlikelihood and ridiculousness of Capcom triple dipping on Street Fighter before moving onto another of their many series, they'll say that Street Fighter is Capcom's most iconic series right now... except Resident Evil and Monster Hunter have both sold more than Street Fighter. This isn't even mentioning that Smash isn't just about the most iconic characters, otherwise we wouldn't have had Terry, and we would've had at least five Sonic characters before Bayonetta.
• Lots of dismissing characters they don't personally know of. Most of the aforementioned people saying Chun-Li is a lock conveniently call most other fighting game characters 'too similar to Ryu', when Chun-Li is way more similar to Ryu than the likes of Heihachi, Nightmare or Sol Badguy (it's obvious they're only discussing her because of that 5chan leak that is based on nothing and has proved nothing). One person will even automatically assume any female character they haven't heard of is simply waifubait created by artists on Twitter or Tumblr. They've said this about KOS-MOS, they've said this about Melia and someone reckoned that if Metroid was niche and not in Smash, they'd say the same about Samus.
• Someone arguing that server-based online-only games cannot get Smash representation because they'll disappear eventually, forgetting about the Fire Emblem Heroes and Minecraft Earth remixes, as well as the Warframe Spirits. About a week later they realised their mistake and admitted they were wrong - only for another person to keep believing this despite it being disproven right in front of them.
• A teenager arguing for six hours non-stop about how [ever-so-slightly NSFW] sex is the worst thing in the world, humanity could easily stop doing or discussing it and anyone who likes it deserves to be put into prison and tortured. Told you this place was insane. In case you were wondering, they left a few days later.
• Someone confessing that they think the Internet is wrong with its labelling and treatment of 'toxic fandoms' and 'cringe culture', only for at least three other people to gang up on this guy and spend three hours arguing for their right to bully people over arbitrary things like what fandoms they're a part of because 'they chose to like these things', 'its funny' and 'that's life; deal with it'. Didn't tell you just how insane this place was. No joke, this got me bawling in tears and almost had me smash my keyboard in rage, because it represents everything wrong with modern society; it could even be used as a metaphor for [politics] capitalism and how the upper class is so willing to let the working class struggle just so they can get extra money that they'll only use to boost their inflated ego.

Sorry for getting all dramatic at the end.

 

[Commander_Alph]

The thing Chun-Li and her sudden resurgence is the fact that it all circle down to Sephiroth and how stupid they are to believe yet another pattern. Last time is the most viral child friendly game like Fortnite were the result of Steve inclusion and now this? Actually I don't know WHY Chun-Li suddenly popped out of nowhere considering that the leak that mentioned her only says she was replaced by Ken because it'll be easy, no indication that Nintendo and Capcom reconsider her nor any valid reason why and all of the sudden she is anchored along with Hayabusa as the flavor of the month character. Seriously, somebody pls tell me why everyone expected Chun-Li than just using the word "iconic" over and over again?

 

[Champion of Hyrule]

The thing Chun-Li and her sudden resurgence is the fact that it all circle down to Sephiroth and how stupid they are to believe yet another pattern. Last time is the most viral child friendly game like Fortnite were the result of Steve inclusion and now this? Actually I don't know WHY Chun-Li suddenly popped out of nowhere considering that the leak that mentioned her only says she was replaced by Ken because it'll be easy, no indication that Nintendo and Capcom reconsider her nor any valid reason why and all of the sudden she is anchored along with Hayabusa as the flavor of the month character. Seriously, somebody pls tell me why everyone expected Chun-Li than just using the word "iconic" over and over again?

Not to mention the fact that Chun-Li comes from a series that already has a ton of spirits and music in Smash, which wasn’t true of Sephiroth

 

[Commander_Alph]

Not to mention the fact that Chun-Li comes from a series that already has a ton of spirits and music in Smash, which wasn’t true of Sephiroth

The thing I don't like about spirit that came with a character is that "oh, you know this entry in the franchise doesn't have a spirit right?" It always like that, Street Fighter 5 doesn't have a spirit? Well luckily Chun-Li could bring that if she's get in, I mean someone like Waluigi or even Dee who's series already packed with spirit representation make it seems that the room for another one isn't enough and even if you successfully added it'll be all 5 different version of Dark Matter-esque enemy or something that isn't even related to the character, I mean you could put that giant squid from Sunshine in Waluigi DLC spirit board but what is it have to do with Waluigi other than they are from the same universe?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

they'll say that Street Fighter is Capcom's most iconic series right now... except Resident Evil and Monster Hunter have both sold more than Street Fighter.

Game sales alone aren’t everything as it doesn’t take into account arcade profits that SF2 had, which combined with the console game sales put Street Fighter over Monster Hunter and Resident Evil in terms of icon status.

 

[TheCJBrine]

For my most wanted characters, most criticisms I see are perfectly valid, like 'they'd just be an Inkling Echo', 'Scout would be a better fit for Smash' and 'Valve have no relations with Nintendo' (besides the Portal 2 world in LEGO Dimensions but can that really be counted?).

However, a Discord server I'm in has a DLC speculation channel, which has given birth to some pretty ridiculous statements and completely wild experiences. Since this is kind of a 'speculation venting' thread now, I'll share some of the madness that has ensued in that channel here:

Spoiler: Long wall o' text

• Numerous instances of someone bringing up a Capcom character like Dante or Monster Hunter only to be told that Chun-Li will obviously get in before any other Capcom character because she's 'more iconic'. When they, in return, bring up the unlikelihood and ridiculousness of Capcom triple dipping on Street Fighter before moving onto another of their many series, they'll say that Street Fighter is Capcom's most iconic series right now... except Resident Evil and Monster Hunter have both sold more than Street Fighter. This isn't even mentioning that Smash isn't just about the most iconic characters, otherwise we wouldn't have had Terry, and we would've had at least five Sonic characters before Bayonetta.
• Lots of dismissing characters they don't personally know of. Most of the aforementioned people saying Chun-Li is a lock conveniently call most other fighting game characters 'too similar to Ryu', when Chun-Li is way more similar to Ryu than the likes of Heihachi, Nightmare or Sol Badguy (it's obvious they're only discussing her because of that 5chan leak that is based on nothing and has proved nothing). One person will even automatically assume any female character they haven't heard of is simply waifubait created by artists on Twitter or Tumblr. They've said this about KOS-MOS, they've said this about Melia and someone reckoned that if Metroid was niche and not in Smash, they'd say the same about Samus.
• Someone arguing that server-based online-only games cannot get Smash representation because they'll disappear eventually, forgetting about the Fire Emblem Heroes and Minecraft Earth remixes, as well as the Warframe Spirits. About a week later they realised their mistake and admitted they were wrong - only for another person to keep believing this despite it being disproven right in front of them.
• A teenager arguing for six hours non-stop about how [ever-so-slightly NSFW] sex is the worst thing in the world, humanity could easily stop doing or discussing it and anyone who likes it deserves to be put into prison and tortured. Told you this place was insane. In case you were wondering, they left a few days later.
• Someone confessing that they think the Internet is wrong with its labelling and treatment of 'toxic fandoms' and 'cringe culture', only for at least three other people to gang up on this guy and spend three hours arguing for their right to bully people over arbitrary things like what fandoms they're a part of because 'they chose to like these things', 'its funny' and 'that's life; deal with it'. Didn't tell you just how insane this place was. No joke, this got me bawling in tears and almost had me smash my keyboard in rage, because it represents everything wrong with modern society; it could even be used as a metaphor for [politics] capitalism and how the upper class is so willing to let the working class struggle just so they can get extra money that they'll only use to boost their inflated ego.

Sorry for getting all dramatic at the end.

Geez, that server sounds terrible.

 

[SharkLord]

I've found that the "Well, I never heard of it" argument when debating the impact and relevancy of a series really grinds my gears. Yeah, you've never heard of it, but not everyone has the same experiences as you. It comes off as rather... Presumptuous? Self-centered? Smug? Not sure about the exact word I'd use, but it feels like they're pushing their experiences of everyone, and it makes it seem like A: Only their opinion matters, or B: They think they know everything about games. The internet is a big place, and gaming is a big industry. People take different paths and end up in different places, so personal experience can't determine anything but how much you want the character, and that's about it.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I've found that the "Well, I never heard of it" argument when debating the impact and relevancy of a series really grinds my gears. Yeah, you've never heard of it, but not everyone has the same experiences as you. It comes off as rather... Presumptuous? Self-centered? Smug? Not sure about the exact word I'd use, but it feels like they're pushing their experiences of everyone, and it makes it seem like A: Only their opinion matters, or B: They think they know everything about games. The internet is a big place, and gaming is a big industry. People take different paths and end up in different places, so personal experience can't determine anything but how much you want the character, and that's about it.

The “I never heard of this until X event” argument isn’t new. I’ve seen people use this kind of argument to discredit the idea that would do incredibly well in the Smash Ballot because he’s supposedly “too obscure”. And you know how that went.

 

[Aerospherology]

.. Uh, who's the character? And who are they echoing?

At least in Smash info, they leaked Steve and his Final Smash involving a piston 26 minutes before the reveal.
They're completely anonymous

 

[UserKev]

It's honestly all fun and games opposing characters until they're actually deconfirmed, then feel bad about it once it's all over.

As frustrating it can be, I'm just gonna be happy for who gets in now.

There are lessons to be learned in Smash speculation.

 

[Oracle Link]

they say he would just reuse Sonic's moveset but with a different Up Special because "in the classic games he's just Sonic with an extra ability" even though he does much more than that

To be fair the classic games had more good playable Tails versions modern only had:
Adventure : Awesome
Adventure 2: Not the version that anyone wants in Smash
Heroes: one third of one of the 4 Campains
Shadow: only one level
06: Bad
06 Dlc: Decent
STH4: like the Classic games a Sonic Clone
Meta era: Thrash

 

[UserKev]

Ok. When I read comments from users that state Ridley is still too big, I cringe, honestly. Rather if Ridley is or isn't too big doesn't matter anymore. Ridley's an amazing and long overdo newcomer that made a ton of sense and has rich Nintendo, who wrecks the one off argument. Ridley's the perfect "hate it or love it" character like Jigglypuff.

 

[Perkilator]

"Eggman is a dumpy loser without his robots, Shadow would make more sense"

Okay, first of all:

1. Eggman hasn't had his best moments, but a dumpy loser? I must beg to differ
2. I would've loved to see Shadow as an Echo too, but he's an Assist Trophy despite the opportunity presenting itself during base game hype. His chances (like any other Assist Trophy) are very much dead.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I feel like sometimes the thing that gets me annoyed with a character is that the reason for them to be in Smash is simply just "they should" and "they have to", it's more aggravating when people just whinnying about every character inclusion and just say "it should have been.."





Other than that I felt like we don't really need to put the Sonic serie on a higher ground (heck, higher than Final Fantasy and Street Fighter) just because he's "iconic" which leads me to believe that everyone wanting that has a secret intention to turn Smash into a Mario & Sonic game that isn't about Olympic. Speaking of series could we just stop and see that representation isn't always about the character, Zelda already has more stage, more item and more Assist Trophy alongside Mario. A Fighter doesn't always represent everything.

"Eggman is a dumpy loser without his robots, Shadow would make more sense"



Okay, first of all:

Eggman hasn't had his best moments, but a dumpy loser? I must beg to differ
I would've loved to see Shadow as an Echo too, but he's an Assist Trophy despite the opportunity presenting itself during base game hype. His chances (like any other Assist Trophy) are very much dead.

Honestly whoever says this really want to seek a fight with somebody and make just the most baseless, saltiest and stupidest argument ever just for giggles (and I know who that is)

 

[TheCJBrine]

Personally I don’t like the Assist Trophy argument, people insist it’s because they’re already an assist trophy that Sakurai and Co. will never reconsider them even further down the line, the same being said about mii costumes until Sakurai recently confirmed Rex was considered to be with Pyra but was deemed too complicated, more than the Ice Climbers.

I think it’s more believable that other factors lead to Assist Trophy characters to not be promoted; maybe that’s what people mean, idk, but I don’t understand killing the possibility of a promotion.

I certainly don’t think it’s for reasons such as “would confuse people/they already exist in some form” (at least not just that they already exist), as they gave Bomberman a DLC mii costume that looks identical to his AT, there’s Pyra/Mythra alts. that could probably confuse some players in dittos, and ATs can be disabled depending on stage, which they could likely do if a certain character is chosen if they even care about that since you can have Mario fight 7 other Marios (so could give the AT an alt. or something).

Of course, we probably won’t get a promotion anyway, but we did get spirit promotions and almost a mii costume promotion; not saying an AT promotion will happen or is likely to, I just don’t get shutting off the possibility.

I also think Sakurai and Nintendo would actually say they’re the reason why characters like Spring Man weren’t chosen if they actually were the reason; Spring Man wasn’t chosen since, even if he’s the main face, they saw all the characters as protagonists you can choose and the ARMS director specifically wanted Min Min, nothing was said about Spring Man’s AT and their reasoning for why not him was good (still think he’d be cool personally). They don’t seem to care about giving reasons as to why other characters like Takamaru aren’t happening, so I highly doubt they’re hiding “ATs disconfirm” for silly reasons.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

My two cents on the AT issue is this; the staffers may have wanted as many characters to directly participate in the battle as possible without concerning themselves about reworking them as playable in the same game, so that they can prioritize other things. If that's indeed the case, I can understand, even if they won't confirm it.

We probably will never hear why the likes of Waluigi, Skull Kid and Ashley keep being left out, so all that can be done is trying to rationalize the reason for that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

the staffers may have wanted as many characters to directly participate in the battle as possible without concerning themselves about reworking them as playable in the same game

Well yeah, of course they wouldn't need to rework them during the base game, but is it really a problem for a DLC pass that began planning after the game was released, when the ATs had already become old hat and they're making fighters that require way more coding than FP1 ones?