What is your most hated criticism against your most wanted character?

Nintykid

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#1
I got the idea for this thread from here and GameFAQ, listening to reason as to why people don't want certain characters in Smash for the littlest of reasons. Sure there are some good and legitimate reason for why a character shouldn't be in Smash (Goku being a 4th party character/ Sora being a licensing nightmare), but some haters just bring in the most pettiest of reasons for why they shouldn't be in smash, and you get tired of that complain cause really it doesn't add anything against that character.

For example, People don't want Bandana Dee in Smash cuase they feel "it would be like putting a Goomba in Smash" or how people don't like the thought of Indie characters being playable in Smash.
 

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Meowth
  • 1st gen is overrepped
  • not unique enough
Team Rocket Meowth (to fix the "not unique enough" argument, I suggest that Meowth be teamed with Arbok and Weezing and sometimes Wobbuffet)
  • no anime characters
  • oh, so you have Meowth teamed with Arbok and Weezing, that just proves that Meowth isn't unique enough
Toad
  • too many Mario characters
  • not unique enough
Captain Toad (to fix the "not unique enough" argument, I suggest that Toad could be Captain Toad in Smash)
  • he can't jump
  • too unique; no point making a moveset around not jumping
 

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Isaac
- Golden Sun is a dead franchise
- "not another swordsman"

Elma
- X didn't do well (at least in Japan)
- some people prefer Rex and Pyra
- if we get BOTH Elma and Rex/Pyra, they'd claim "Xenoblade bias" despite each game getting one rep each
- "it should be Cross instead" (news flash, Elma being in XB2 confirms that SHE is the protag of X, not Cross)

Bandana Waddle Dee
- the classic "goomba with a hat" argument (italicized for sarcasm)
- "he's not from a Kirby game Sakurai produced" (Sakurai is now including content from Kirby games he had no involvement in)

Rex & Pyra
- ...yeah. THAT argument, I'm sure you can guess which one it is.
the "Pyra's outfit" argument which can be solved by Pyra's outfit being edited for Smash a la Fem!Corrin and Bayonetta
 

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Phoenix Wright:

-Too many Capcom characters (mostly used for the ballot days, not so much today. Even then, so what? Capcom has so much variety that would offer a lot in Smash)
-Too obscure (not...really. The series maybe a bit, but Phoenix himself is relatively well-known I'd say)
-Too anime
-Lack of fighting ability (hogwash, he has access to magical stones, evidence, and speech bubbles if you want to get creative - and he appears in two other fighters anyhow)

Black Shadow:

-Irrelevant (not a problemo nowadays)
-He'd just be a Falcon clone (while this is undoubtedly the way he'd get in, he offers much more tools to his kit than that)

Paper Mario:

-He'd just be a Mario clone (this one grinds me the most...did you even ever touch a Paper Mario game?)

Master Chief:

-He has no connection whatsoever to Nintendo (meh, this one depends on how each person sees Smash as a idea but nowadays it is a video game crossover and I believe Sakurai knows that)
 

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#10
Character I Want; the Criticisms about why they wouldn't be in Smash that I really Hate
Bandana waddle dee; Because It'd be like a Goomba in Smash;
Decidueye, because It Wasn't around during the Smash Ballot
Geno, Because Square Enix Owns him and there are already several mario characters in smash(They Also Own Cloud Strife, and HE'S in the game; and why WOULDN'T Nintendo's Mascot get several characters from his game into smash; HE'S NINTENDO'S Mascot)
Isaac, Because He hasn't had a Game since 2010, and Hasn't even gotten an assist trophy in SSB4
Linkle, Because she was only in the one game(So Was Lucina, and SHE got to be in the game)
Travis touchdown; Because He's from an M-Rated Game(SO WAS BAYONETTA AND SHE'S IN THE GAME)
 

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#11
Sora's the one I can think of with an argument I dislike against him.

"He'll open the floodgates to cartoon/anime characters" which I think is silly, like somehow Sakurai will just decide "WELP! TIME TO SHOVE EVERYTHING ELSE IN NOW!". Honestly Sora is first and foremost a video game character, the main character of his franchise, and while it does contain Disney characters, he's at the point where he could hold his own without Disney characters and stuff, too.

Honestly I just don't like "They'll open the floodgates" arguments, like the casts of Smash games aren't pretty curated bunches.

Some other arguments I see are just blind hate because Kingdom Hearts I suppose.

For my most wanted character, Shantae, I don't really have an argument I hate, 'cause I can usually just be like "I could see that but still I don't think that" so I'm just having to pick one of my top 4.
 
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For Decidueye.
One is not being "popular" enough when #1: he actually is decently popular and #2: doesn't matter when the final roster was more likely than not decided before most of the gen 7 mons were even revealed to the public.
Second is him not able to be as "unique" as Mr. "might as well be another fire fighting type". Because apparently he has absolutely nothing to offer to the roster because of Pit/Dark Pit's LITERALLY ONLY ONE MOVE. According to that logic Incineroar wouldn't be unique either because Bowser, K. Rool, Kirby, Jiggs, Snake, etc. all each have at least one wrestling-esque move. Also him being an archer isn't even the main reason why I think he'd be a fresh, unique addition, it's the fact that he's a ghost.
 
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Ganondorf's already in the game so we don't need Ganon.
My main issue with this criticism is that Ganondorf doesn't even fight like Ganondorf in the first place, so Ganon being put in wouldn't take anything away from the character already in Smash or pad out the roster like the various Links or Marth-based Fire Emblem Lords do. Ganon's also a polearm wielder on top of being magically proficient, so his exclusion over his identity is even more of a waste.
Plus they look nothing alike, Sakurai would have to go out of his way to somehow make him a clone/echo rather than an original fighter.
 

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#18
Lloyd Irving:
  • "Yuri has better chances."
    This is demonstrably wrong in so many ways that there's a section dedicated entirely to Yuri vs Lloyd in the Lloyd Support Thread. We've got polls, developer interviews, ballot results, and Sakurai himself flat-out saying that Lloyd is unquestionably the definitive Tales pick a full year after the Smash Ultimate project plan was finished.

  • "Tales is too obscure."
    Tales is the biggest traditional JRPG franchise after Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Bigger than Persona, bigger than Yakuza, bigger than Paper Mario, bigger than Kingdom Hearts. It's bigger than Ni no kuni, Disgaea, Chrono, Yo-Kai Watch, Golden Sun, Bravely Default, Atelier, Xeno, Suikoden, and Etrian Odyssey combined, and then some. It has spawned two dozen mangas, several animes, some movies, drama CDs, an annual festival hosted in stadiums that over 20k people attend, and was considered for a ride at Universal Studios Japan alongside franchises like Final Fantasy, Sailor Moon, and Detective Conan. This series has sold over 25 million mothership titles, and that's not counting the insane number of auxiliary content (animes, mangas, movies, arcade machines, the festival, and an absurd amount of merchandise). Lloyd himself has appeared in more than ten games, and his original games are more than just mildly popular, given that ToS and ToS 2 alone moved almost 5 million units.

  • "Heihachi would be Namco's second rep."
    Honestly the only argument that harbors any potency, and even then you ought to consider that we've now got at least one confirmed instance of triple third party reps, the fact that Tales has significantly more pull with the casual audience than Heihachi does, and the fact that Lloyd would be far easier to implement, as 90% of his moveset is already in the game.

  • "He'd be yet another anime sword fighter."
    First things first: sword fighters are far from over represented. Secondly, the arte system and his ToS build would render Lloyd not only fairly distinct from other sword fighters, but it would also make him a very unique character in the roster at large.
 
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#21
I got the idea for this thread from here and GameFAQ, listening to reason as to why people don't want certain characters in Smash for the littlest of reasons. Sure there are some good and legitimate reason for why a character shouldn't be in Smash (Goku being a 4th party character/ Sora being a licensing nightmare), but some haters just bring in the most pettiest of reasons for why they shouldn't be in smash, and you get tired of that complain cause really it doesn't add anything against that character.

For example, People don't want Bandana Dee in Smash cuase they feel "it would be like putting a Goomba in Smash" or how people don't like the thought of Indie characters being playable in Smash.
most people don't want 9-volt simply because ashley is more popular than him
but i feel that he has more moveset potential than any other member of the warioware cast
 

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King K. Rool, before his confirmation:

"He's irrelevant, he hasn't been in a game in ten years!"
"No one knows who he is! Even in the DKC games you never see him until the end!"
"The Mii costume is all you're going to get!"
"He'd just be a Bowser clone!"
"DK is just part of the Mario series, it doesn't need more reps!"
"I want characters from the 21st century in my Smash games!"
"Not gonna happen, he's owned by Rare!" (lol)
"K. Rool didn't do well on the Ballot, the silent majority voted for Bayo!"

I could go on.
 
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Haven't heard any really infuriating criticism about Dark Matter recently, most of it's just "I'd prefer insertotherKirbycharacterhere" so I'll talk about Bandana Dee instead. The Hat Goomba argument is annoying, like yes, he is the same species as a generic enemy and his design is the same as them except he wears a Bandana, but he's also a deefined character with his own personality, it doesn't disqualify him from being his own character. It'd be like if someone said Skull Kid shouldn't be in Smash because he is just a Mask Goomba.
 
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Goku being a 4th party character/ Sora being a licensing nightmare),
For Sora, this one because all of a sudden people become legal scholars. It sounds reasonable at first, but it's just fan assumptions. Don't know what it's actually like inside these companies, don't know a thing about law, but assert it nonetheless.

On Goku, I don't care, but forth parties is just a made up term. Just say that's where Sakurai draws the line in the sand without the weird term.
 
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Honestly - any character rights concerns are pretty often overstated by the community. Just because a character belongs to company X doesn't mean they are more difficult than character Y (ala Sega, Capcom, etc.). Licensing can be overcome with a proper relationship and anyone who's really saying, "Oh Sora would be too tough because he's Disney" or "Banjo & Kazooie would be too hard since they are microsoft". Really? Why? Disney/Marvel/Star Wars characters appear in every game under the sun these days and so many other companies (way less influential than Nintendo) manage to snag these rights easy.

Everyone seems to turn into armchair IP lawyers whenever it's convenient.
 
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- if we get BOTH Elma and Rex/Pyra, they'd claim "Xenoblade bias" despite each game getting one rep each
Trust me if your series gets more than one rep per entry, people will definitely scream that Sakurai has bias towards it, not that I'll name any series in particular that gets such hate hahaha.

I already got who I wanted but the most annoying criticisms were:
"Chrom is just another anime swordfighter"
"FE has too many reps"
"Ephraim or Hector would be better" (no they wouldn't)
"Awakening doesn't deserve three reps" (yes it does)
And for K. Rool, I didn't see many dissenters this era, but back in Smash 4 it was:
"Bayonetta is better" (no she isn't, worst addition to the series and didn't even win the ballot)
"He's irrelevant"
Overall more hate for Chrom, but who's laughing now?
 
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Two arguments against Waluigi:

"He was only made to be Wario's partner!"
Wii Fit was only made because fat people needed some damn exercise, your point is?

"He doesn't have moveset potential!"
First of all, play the spin-offs.
and second, Ah, yes, I remember when Falcon fought Black Shadow fist to fist outside of their ca- hey wait a minute
 
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Two arguments against Waluigi:

"He was only made to be Wario's partner!"
Wii Fit was only made because fat people needed some damn exercise, your point is?

"He doesn't have moveset potential!"
First of all, play the spin-offs.
and second, Ah, yes, I remember when Falcon fought Black Shadow fist to fist outside of their ca- hey wait a minute
Captain Falcon obviously won't be in because he doesn't have moveset potential, stop asking for him, it's not going to happen.
 
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Trust me if your series gets more than one rep per entry, people will definitely scream that Sakurai has bias towards it, not that I'll name any series in particular that gets such hate hahaha.

I already got who I wanted but the most annoying criticisms were:
"Chrom is just another anime swordfighter"
"FE has too many reps"
"Ephraim or Hector would be better" (no they wouldn't)
"Awakening doesn't deserve three reps" (yes it does)
And for K. Rool, I didn't see many dissenters this era, but back in Smash 4 it was:
"Bayonetta is better" (no she isn't, worst addition to the series and didn't even win the ballot)
"He's irrelevant"
Overall more hate for Chrom, but who's laughing now?
Funny, because if it’s a franchise like Pokémon, Donkey Kong, or Metroid, then suddenly it’s completely okay to have two characters join per entry.

Also Bayonetta ain’t that bad, she was deserving of her spot. The only bad thing is how op she is, otherwise the character is completely fine in my opinion. I’ll admit that I’ve grown a liking to her in the same way I did for Snake to the point that I feel her being left out will leave a gap in the Smash roster just like Wii U had with Snake’s absence.
 
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Trust me if your series gets more than one rep per entry, people will definitely scream that Sakurai has bias towards it, not that I'll name any series in particular that gets such hate hahaha.

I already got who I wanted but the most annoying criticisms were:
"Chrom is just another anime swordfighter"
"FE has too many reps"
"Ephraim or Hector would be better" (no they wouldn't)
"Awakening doesn't deserve three reps" (yes it does)
And for K. Rool, I didn't see many dissenters this era, but back in Smash 4 it was:
"Bayonetta is better" (no she isn't, worst addition to the series and didn't even win the ballot)
"He's irrelevant"
Overall more hate for Chrom, but who's laughing now?
It was always weird to me that when Robin was revealed, people just dunked on Chrom and his fans and shouted from the rooftops about how Chrom would be just another sword fighter, all while hand-waving Lucina being a clone...

Now Chrom is in, and he seems to be more distinct from his base than Lucina or other echo fighters. It's kind of funny how that worked out.
 

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Ashley:
1) "WarioWare doesn't need any more reps. It's not big enough"
By that logic, Xenoblade doesn't need a second rep, either. It's a newer series comprised of three games, only one of which (XB2) actually managed to cross the "million-plus sales" threshold. WarioWare, as a series, has been around since the GBA/GameCube, and has had eight installments, three of which (Mega Microgames, Touched, Smooth Moves) have sold over a million copies (with its newest installment, WarioWare Gold, well on its way to be the fourth).
(By the way, this isn't me ragging on Xenoblade. I love Xenoblade 2, and I'd love to see Rex/Pyra in Smash, as would many others. I'm just trying to put things into perspective.)

2) "Ashley isn't an important enough character."
What constitutes as an important character, exactly? Within the confines of the WarioWare series, every character is about as important as the last (Wario excluded), so it really comes down to popularity. And sure, people might downplay the Mii Costume, cameo in Mario Maker, starring role in the Badge Arcade, three 3DS themes, and use in smaller-scale advertisements for eShop games/ a regional convenience store, as far as reasoning for promotion within Smash goes, but it is far more than any other WarioWare character has gotten.

3) "What could she even do?"
About as much as Captain Falcon does in F-Zero, I would presume. ;)
No, but seriously. Ashley has been shown shooting stars with her wand, brewing potions, summoning plant monsters, riding brooms, shooting lightning out of her fingers Darth Sidious-style, unleashing an explosion of magic, and her best friend is an imp who can transform into just about anything she wants (including a pretty cool looking magic wand/scepter). If that isn't foundation enough for a moveset, then I'm not entirely sure what is.

Isabelle:
1) "She's a pacifist."
She's an Animal Crossing character. What character from that series isn't a pacifist?

Waluigi:
1) "You only want him because he's a meme."
Actually, I've liked Waluigi since I was a child who knew very little about the Internet. I always thought his weird movements and petty personality were hilarious, and that few characters - if any - could effectively capture that same "two parts wacky, one part defeatist" aura that he gives off. Plus, he can swim in midair. That's such a weird concept and I love it. And so what if he's a meme? Obviously, he's such a ridiculous character that his antics resonate with a lot of people. How is that a bad thing? Be grateful we aren't talking about Shrek or Spongebob, haha.

2) "Some people on Twitter harassed Sakurai so I hope Sakurai punishes all Waluigi fans by never putting him in Smash Bros."
Before you pre-maturely bring down the hammer of justice on a large group of people, let's remember that that was only some people. SOME. I'm sure there were a few bad eggs in the Ridley, King K. Rool, Geno, etc. fandoms who said a nasty thing or two about Sakurai throughout the years. Are you willing to apply your personal sense of video game justice to those fans, as well, or is it just easier to feel that way about Waluigi because the timing is convenient?

3) "Waluigi isn't an important character."
In a franchise as simple as Mario, all it takes to be considered "important" is to show up, and Waluigi has done that in almost every Mario spin-off game since the N64. He shows up in merchandising the world over and obviously has his fans, so...you're wrong.
 

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"One-off Zelda Character"
Seriously, Linkle is an Ensemble Darkhorse with A VERY Unique Playstyle utilizing her Dual-Wielded Crossbows & Firey Spin-kicks; Plus, Unlike the TRUE Incarnations of the Hero of Hyrule, She's not Mute, nor the Silent Protagonist, She could have her own Lines, maybe in both Japanese(in The japanese version of the game aka Great Fray Smash Brothers Special, she could have a Japanese Seiyuu, while in every non-japanese country has her english voice; Like Marth in this very game)
 

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It'd be like if someone said Skull Kid shouldn't be in Smash because he is just a Mask Goomba.
I understand where you're coming from but that's not a good analogy at all. Skull kids as a species only appear in 3 zelda games. The one in Majora's Mask is the main antagonist, the one in Twilight Princess is a miniboss, and the ones in Ocarina of Time aren't enemies at all.
 
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