C~Dog
Smash Champion
He's one of the hilarious trolls yeah, especially during the ACT v Vic/NSW Crew Battle?
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[VIC] 3 Stock'd ~ Melbourne 2010 ~ Nope
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Felix is the king.
luke_atyeo
Smash Hero
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felix is indeed the king
Silfa
Smash Ace
I want felix back. 
Timic83
Smash Ace
legitimate quesiton for vermy/connor again...
and please give me a reason why they should be banned, not me telling why they should not be banned, because banning is something that needs to be justified
summit
rumble falls
port town
and please give me a reason why they should be banned, not me telling why they should not be banned, because banning is something that needs to be justified
summit
rumble falls
port town
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Actually, since that status quo is that the stages are banned, it's your responsibility to detail why they should be unbanned.
Also remember that in the end it does come down to our decision, so it's your job to convince us why it should be changed.
Also remember that in the end it does come down to our decision, so it's your job to convince us why it should be changed.
ViVa
Smash Ace
Rofl Rumble Falls.
Timic83
Smash Ace
summit: ice does nothing but enhances different characters ground playstyles making it perfect for counterpick
no ledges means its good vs certain chars, good for CP (after all we dont ban frigate)
air portion is fine just adapt the same way you would on ps2 (which sould also be legal, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285744)
fish is easy to not get killed by (simply jump and quickly airdodge while moving in a direction), and if you got spiked into it, you deserve to die, same stuff happens on brinstar lava
rumble falls: the spike is very easy to see coming, and even if you do get hit its possible to tech
walkoffs are nullified cos there are many portions of the stage where you arent in the middle, and its always moving so the palyers abusing walkoffs will have to move
speed up isnt that much of a problem even if your a slow character, utilise dem ladders, and this makes it a good cp for fast characters
port town: no ledge = good cp vs tetherers
cars are all on set timers, just like the brinstar lava
you can usually see the cars coming from the bakground, and even if you cant (sideays ars **** part with huge ramp on the left) you can go to the top paltform for a safe zone. the same **** happens on pictochat, and there its random
the cars can be used to help characters that suk at killing (sheek, samus) and makes it a good cp
no ledges means its good vs certain chars, good for CP (after all we dont ban frigate)
air portion is fine just adapt the same way you would on ps2 (which sould also be legal, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285744)
fish is easy to not get killed by (simply jump and quickly airdodge while moving in a direction), and if you got spiked into it, you deserve to die, same stuff happens on brinstar lava
rumble falls: the spike is very easy to see coming, and even if you do get hit its possible to tech
walkoffs are nullified cos there are many portions of the stage where you arent in the middle, and its always moving so the palyers abusing walkoffs will have to move
speed up isnt that much of a problem even if your a slow character, utilise dem ladders, and this makes it a good cp for fast characters
port town: no ledge = good cp vs tetherers
cars are all on set timers, just like the brinstar lava
you can usually see the cars coming from the bakground, and even if you cant (sideays ars **** part with huge ramp on the left) you can go to the top paltform for a safe zone. the same **** happens on pictochat, and there its random
the cars can be used to help characters that suk at killing (sheek, samus) and makes it a good cp
Leisha
Top Tier Pillow
Yesssssss,
Lets put these stages in for the lulz.
Lets put these stages in for the lulz.
ViVa
Smash Ace
If we have those, we're having Norfair. 
Timic83
Smash Ace
^hell yeah, greens, japes and yi melee too.
THIS RULESET
IS HELLA LEGIT
LETS USE!!! plz
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288972
THIS RULESET
IS HELLA LEGIT
LETS USE!!! plz
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288972
I really don't think we need to justify why Rumble falls, Port Town Aero Drive and Summit aren't banworthy.
But for your sake, I'll reiterate.
Those stages force the player to fight against the stage, not their opponent. There are many other glaring weaknesses in the stages you mentioned, but since you can't understand why SBR labelled them as banned, it'd be a moot point to mention them.
But for your sake, I'll reiterate.
Those stages force the player to fight against the stage, not their opponent. There are many other glaring weaknesses in the stages you mentioned, but since you can't understand why SBR labelled them as banned, it'd be a moot point to mention them.
TakFR
Smash Lord
Timic and logic don't work together well -_-
Timic83
Smash Ace
is there anything wrong with that i mean once you take maybe 20 mins in training mode the stage dosent become a problem and you know when stuff happens. i mean stuff like halberd stage hazards, pictochat random spikes/missiles and brinstar lava are ok so why not this
note: after talking to a friend i sorta agree summit and falls might be a bit too extreme, but thats no reason to leave port town, distant planet, japes, norfair, weegees and pirate ship out
Distant Planet: walk offs. Any character with a cg or named mk instantly gets an advantage. Characters with strong throws as well. People die at stupid, STUPID percentages.
Japes: Falco and Wario are almost untouchable here, forcing you to ban either this or another hated CP. Either way, it's almost a free win. It's also a stage that forces camping and often leads to time outs.
After typing this stuff out, I realise the real arguments as to why those stages are illegal already exist. Not to mention, we've been over this before and I think I speak for myself and Conor when I say we're not going through it again. If anything, we'll review the stagelist and ruleset along with top PR players to decide on any possible changes. At this point, you're a minority. If you have LEGITIMATE arguments to the table, by all means, enlighten me. But "I just don't see why ______ isn't legal," isn't gonna cut it.
@CAO: squee! =D Lezz tear it up, bru. Azn style.
Japes: Falco and Wario are almost untouchable here, forcing you to ban either this or another hated CP. Either way, it's almost a free win. It's also a stage that forces camping and often leads to time outs.
After typing this stuff out, I realise the real arguments as to why those stages are illegal already exist. Not to mention, we've been over this before and I think I speak for myself and Conor when I say we're not going through it again. If anything, we'll review the stagelist and ruleset along with top PR players to decide on any possible changes. At this point, you're a minority. If you have LEGITIMATE arguments to the table, by all means, enlighten me. But "I just don't see why ______ isn't legal," isn't gonna cut it.
@CAO: squee! =D Lezz tear it up, bru. Azn style.
Nixernator
Smash Ace
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Nix you're amazing. c:
Timic83
Smash Ace
dgs also had fd as a neutral
thats pretty ****ing not legit
port town: already explained... weve had this at 1 tourny and i dont think anyone complained, anyone that did needs to learn the stage, you dont see them complaining about brinstar lava cos they trained on it
distant planet: the water and pellets help stop walkoff kills, and like yi:m its up a slope, making it easier to use disjointed aerials to stop the walkoff abusers. walkoffs also arnet that big a deal when you get to pick character after stage, as you can just pick a character with projectiles and they **** walkoff abusers. lets say there is an mk trying to walkoff camp... change to oli or pika or falco or diddy or snake or anyone with projectiles and **** him, forces them to approach, or hell just pivot grab and walkoff him yourself. these walkoff reasonings are also why i think yi:m should be legal
japes: im pretty sure mk is untouchable on lots of stages too. this stage has nothing wrong with it, and if people have to ban this just give players 2 bans and have a more liberal (nova scotia) stage list
norfair: no seriously theres nothing wrong with this stage. any **** that comes is warned in advance (unlike picto) and the lava is no worse than brinstar (mk shouldnt be able to cp non-neutrals would be legit)
weegees: break the mansion if it pisses you off so much. shutting down projectile characters periodically does noting but make this stage good as a cp
pirate ship: bombs arent a problem there shown well in advance, the catapult is easy to see in advance, the water is not big deal and stops "walkoffs", plus i hear this stage is crap for mk as the water stops gimping
greens, cruise, ps2: i honestly am expecting these stages to be in the next ruleset as they are in many parts of america and again have nothing wrong
thats pretty ****ing not legit
port town: already explained... weve had this at 1 tourny and i dont think anyone complained, anyone that did needs to learn the stage, you dont see them complaining about brinstar lava cos they trained on it
distant planet: the water and pellets help stop walkoff kills, and like yi:m its up a slope, making it easier to use disjointed aerials to stop the walkoff abusers. walkoffs also arnet that big a deal when you get to pick character after stage, as you can just pick a character with projectiles and they **** walkoff abusers. lets say there is an mk trying to walkoff camp... change to oli or pika or falco or diddy or snake or anyone with projectiles and **** him, forces them to approach, or hell just pivot grab and walkoff him yourself. these walkoff reasonings are also why i think yi:m should be legal
japes: im pretty sure mk is untouchable on lots of stages too. this stage has nothing wrong with it, and if people have to ban this just give players 2 bans and have a more liberal (nova scotia) stage list
norfair: no seriously theres nothing wrong with this stage. any **** that comes is warned in advance (unlike picto) and the lava is no worse than brinstar (mk shouldnt be able to cp non-neutrals would be legit)
weegees: break the mansion if it pisses you off so much. shutting down projectile characters periodically does noting but make this stage good as a cp
pirate ship: bombs arent a problem there shown well in advance, the catapult is easy to see in advance, the water is not big deal and stops "walkoffs", plus i hear this stage is crap for mk as the water stops gimping
greens, cruise, ps2: i honestly am expecting these stages to be in the next ruleset as they are in many parts of america and again have nothing wrong
Zxv
Smash Lord
If Port Town's cars weren't death @ 40%, then I think it would be legal as a starter counterpick. Just like Mute City in Melee.
Maybe.
Lack of ledges also make the stage incredibly difficult to recover on for characters like Fox, Falco, Wolf, Marth, Olimar and a whole load of others. But that's also the main reason why it would be a CP... Eh.
Guess what it comes down to is whether it forces certain characters to play on absolutely unusable stages for certain MUs (Falco vs MK - bans Brinstar, gets taken to Port Town => unwinnable => Offstage = death due to lack of ledges combined with MK's d/f-smash.).
Maybe.
Lack of ledges also make the stage incredibly difficult to recover on for characters like Fox, Falco, Wolf, Marth, Olimar and a whole load of others. But that's also the main reason why it would be a CP... Eh.
Guess what it comes down to is whether it forces certain characters to play on absolutely unusable stages for certain MUs (Falco vs MK - bans Brinstar, gets taken to Port Town => unwinnable => Offstage = death due to lack of ledges combined with MK's d/f-smash.).
Yeah I'd probably be pro PTAD if the cars didn't kill stupidly early.
Yes I'm aware that there are always "safe positions" where cars won't hit you in specific transformations, but the difference is, someone gets lucky and gets hit into a car once when they're outplaying their opponent and lose a match; whilst a time you hit your opponent and don't get this opportunity.
Summit has similar issues with the fish, there are also notable time out issues (circle camping).
Yes I'm aware that there are always "safe positions" where cars won't hit you in specific transformations, but the difference is, someone gets lucky and gets hit into a car once when they're outplaying their opponent and lose a match; whilst a time you hit your opponent and don't get this opportunity.
Summit has similar issues with the fish, there are also notable time out issues (circle camping).
Nicks
Smash Journeyman
i think we should stop talking about stupid stages that are never going to be legal (summit etc) and talk about bringing rainbow cruise back!!!
its legal basically everwhere else in the world!we need to conform coz RC is amazing
its legal basically everwhere else in the world!we need to conform coz RC is amazing
Rc should be on our list, maybe japes too. Need to at least give them more of a chance in this scene, methinks.
Europe doesn't have RC.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Starter
All other stages are banned.
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Also, I would like some standardization of the NSW and VIC stagelists if possibly.
- Battlefield
- Yoshi's Island
- Smashville
- Lylat Cruise
- Pokémon Stadium
- [*]Final Destination - For Pools, there needs to be 4 or 6 stages, and I think adding FD to the starters would be better than removing PS1 or Lylat.
- [*]Castle Siege
[*]Delfino Plaza
[*]Halberd
[*]Frigate Orpheon
[*]Brinstar
[*]Pictochat
- Pokémon Stadium 2
- Rainbow Cruise
- Jungle Japes
- Norfair
All other stages are banned.
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Also, I would like some standardization of the NSW and VIC stagelists if possibly.
Timic83
Smash Ace
every doubles counterpick in singles and were in da money
also how does being doubles make any of those stages any "better" (cos theyre just so unbearable)
also how does being doubles make any of those stages any "better" (cos theyre just so unbearable)
Nixernator
Smash Ace
I don't see how YI (Melee) can be legal in doubles and not in singles. Is double's play on it really that different? Heck I wouldn't mind for it to be legal in singles it just seems so different to most stages which is why I could see it banned.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Two characters can often deal with tactics that one would struggle against.
For doubles I just took the rest of the Counterpick stages btw, and I just left them all there for people to argue for if they wanted too.
For doubles I just took the rest of the Counterpick stages btw, and I just left them all there for people to argue for if they wanted too.
Leisha
Top Tier Pillow
No rainbow cruise please.
Stagelist is fine how it is imo
Stagelist is fine how it is imo
Timic83
Smash Ace
yes rainbow cruise everywhere else including antarctica has it legal
Nicks
Smash Journeyman
^this
lets try all these stages, at least at one tourney to see how it goes.
probably the only ones here that might be a little bit to crazy are yoshi's island (melee) and port town
Afropony
Smash Lord
Yeh, seriously just take Port Town Aero Dive off the list.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Nicks
Smash Journeyman
awsum!
will we be doing this stage list on nov 6 or is this for next year?