[VIC] 3 Stock'd ~ Melbourne 2010 ~ Nope

[Ledge_g2]

In a lot of other competitive games strategies are formed and become very stage/map centralized. I think people look at brawl too much of a fighting game where stages shouldnt change the way a fight happens. I disagree though, I think brawl has enough strategy in it to warrant stages forcing you to alter the strategy to suite the stage.
imo, We should be more flexible on the CP stages and have more bans to stop some chars getting CP *****. It brings depth and variety to the game and can make things more interesting.

If you get hit into some stage hazard and lose while outplaying them before hand then it is a mistake to have been hit into the hazard in the first place. If you knew the stage changes and hazards very well then you would know to avoid attacks that would send you into the hazardous direction.
If you find yourself focusing more on avoiding hazards then fighting then I think you need more practice on the stage and also learn to add strategy to work with the hazards.

imo brawl is a strategy/fighter, not just a fighter where stages should make no difference.

 

[Leisha]

Anyone going to the whittlesea show on next sunday? =o

highly doubt it since no one lives out this way. xD

Its only like 5 minutes away from my house :3

 

[C~Dog]

If im not doing anything (aka uni) then I could come. I need a break x-x

 

[Dekar289]

good post ledge

 

[Timic83]

connor i am dissapoint

good post ledge

 

[Dekar289]

i always read the username as "ledge 2g"
ledge is 2g

 

[Ledge_g2]

i always read the username as "ledge 2g"
ledge is 2g

:O You found my subliminal message.

 

[Leisha]

haha i do that aswell dekar xD

 

[Attila_]

i still think fd needs to move to starter, if for no other reason than to meet international standards. lylat isn't a starter stage.

and rc needs to be considered for cp, while norfair is a definite (but very sad) no. japes needs discussion.

 

[tibs7]

I say if we do bring such gay into out stagelist then mk should only be allowed to cp certain ones, this is the only way we can limit mk's options ever IMO

 

[Leisha]

I wouldn't mind the new stages soo much if mk was banned.

But thats all im gonna say for now ~

 

[C~Dog]

You can have one of the following:

MK

OR

Lots of fun stages.

 

[Dekar289]

if the neutrals aren't fun enough for you then maybe don't play brawl
otherwise don't take away what little competitiveness it has left

 

[Timic83]

allow mk to only cp neutrals

also fd should never ever ever be a starter its one of the most unbalanced maps eva

 

[C~Dog]

If you restrict MK in such a manner you might as well ban him.

 

[Timic83]

how is restricting that similar to banning... we already have special ledge grab and IDC rules... MK is an exception to the whole stage striking system cos he dosent have a bad stage and has too many good ones, so take away his ability to pick these fun stages

 

[Attila_]

also fd should never ever ever be a starter its one of the most unbalanced maps eva

against who? diddy? that's one character, buddy.

unlike lylat, which is **** for mk, marth and snake, and horrible for a bunch of other (lower tier) characters. gg.

 

[swordsaint]

seriously attila

get it in your head that those characters won't have to play on it. striking exists to try and find a balanced stage in each and every matchup. replacing lylat with fd won't do that. you'll break so many campers.

at least with lylat in place there will be matchups that are neutral here, and even for the ones that aren't, they won't play on it and will find a more neutral stage.

 

[Timic83]

the thing asbout fd is that its drastically different as its the only stage with no platforms... platforms are integral part of many ccharacters

 

[Zxv]

Holy crap... I've never even realised it's g2. I've Always read it as 2g.

Ledge is 2g. Epic mindgames.

That being said, FD is **** for perhaps... Falco, ICs, Diddy... Good for Snake... 'bout it.

 

[Attila_]

my point exactly scoot, you can always strike it. the thing about fd (when compared to lylat at least) is that its pretty rarely an 'auto strike' stage (a stage that you have to strike or lose the first match). this provides a pretty strong contrast to lylat, which i do believe needs to be striked against mk and (for most mus) snake.

i also think that mk is arguably the only one who 'doesn't do well there' (as in, does better elsewhere), while he gets significant boosts from lylat and sv, meaning he chooses the stage he'd like from there. although a similar situation occurs against diddy (fd and sv need to be striked in almost every mu), personally i'd rather have the monkey pick a stage than mk.

not to mention fd brings in some variety into the starting selection. as timic put it, its the only stage in the game without platforms. and at the same time, it doesn't really overly favour any single character(s) (unlike lylat).

and finally, adopting the us ruleset would make our players more successful there. gotta start practicing properly, guys.

@zxv: falco and ics prefer bf in almost every mu, and snake doesn't really gain anything from fd (its not bad, but not good, either).

 

[CAOTIC]

Had a meeting with Yug from Brisbane -- he's currently building a Mana Bar in the most ****tastic part of town (Brunswick St, Fitzroy), and has asked CouchWarriors staff to host events in the bar once in opens in December/early-January. I had a visit of the space today; it's significantly larger than the Mana Bar in Fortitude Valley, with 2 floors, 2-3 gaming areas/lounges and a rear smoking alley/courtyard. Also, I believe there may now be an effort to install tv setups in the bar that will minimize lag, so you can expect me to be hosting Smash-themed nights sometime there in the near future.

18+ only, sorry minors!

 

[Shaya]

and at the same time, it doesn't really overly favour any single character(s)

spotted this and decided not to read.

Do you know you said pretty much the same thing last time? You know, where in the same post/paragraph you mention Diddy Kong.

Guess how many characters are auto lose on Final D against Diddy, Falco, ICs, or various other strong campers?
Include the whole "once they get a lead" notion, and then you throw in a ****ton of other characters too who can freely gay you.

 

[Dekar289]

hellz yeah smash at the manabar

 

[Leisha]

Yay, im 19 so i can get in ^.^

Although i look 15-16 D:

 

[ViVa]

18+ only, sorry minors!

Fml.

 

[C~Dog]

Cao you are the best.

I will definitely hep out any way I can.

 

[Dekar289]

viva not 18 wut

 

[Attila_]

cao is amazing. booze and smash sounds like an amazing combination.

@shaya: as stated, falco and ics are better on fd. diddy is the only real worry. and mk is autowin on lylat against most of the cast, anyway.

 

[ViVa]

14, no I'm not trolling.

 

[Splice]

Stagelist is fantastic.

Inclusion of FD for pools but not as a starter is ingenious... well i like it.
Those 4 stages extra for doubles will work their way into singles (or out of consideration) over time, which is good.

Don't see why banning MK would make them better, btw, at least one of those stages in orange are a decent MK CP for quite a lot of characters in the game.

 

[Dekar289]

viva trollin

 

[Ledge_g2]

MK on Lylat auto win against most the cast? wtf lol, just cos i like the stage in general doesn't make it a good stage for MK, infact i get CP'd to Lylat often. M2K said he didnt like the stage. There are a few tricks MK can't do on the Ledges. Also some char's attacks with weird disjoints like GaW Dsmash can get range boosts with the tilts making it very dangerous for MK. ohh and i think chars with fast aerial mobility handle the tilting better then floaty chars like MK.

 

[Leisha]

Ah well, next tournament is just a lulz tournament anyway so xD

Lets all have fun and play on spear pillar!

 

[Splice]

and mk is autowin on lylat against most of the cast, anyway.

You are supposed to use facts when trying to discuss things, where applicable, attlia.
Lylat has tilts and platform cancels.
Tilts bad for MK and some chars benefit from platform cancels more than MK.
Lylats edges are **** for MK imo.

This is a stage where I believe a handful (2 handfuls?) of characters can CP MK with a good reason.

@Leisha: I really hope you can see why RC is a better stage than Spear Pillar.

 

[patv]

@Leisha : spear piller isnt fun we were playing banned stages tourney with 5 min timer and vsing ricky. he was sonic i was rob and he killed me once, then ran the heck away from me. What can poor rob do?!

 

[M]

lol <3 pat.

I'll never do it again, I swear!

 

[Attila_]

I used to cp mk to lylat, then m2k showed me how the stage can be abused. Sv I'd also somewhere I won't take an mk again.

 

[luke_atyeo]

what, how far behind are you guys, taking mk to lylat is a very bad idea.
espcially with snake, not withstanding that there are a bunch of better cp's that stand out anyways.


**** ledges, **** tilts, **** all that.
mk can air camp all day, an despite what you might think, you cant do **** about it

 

[Nicks]

mk isnt that good on lylat.

y'all mad