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Are the shurikens broke like sheik's needles? That falco laser comparison has me worried.
Yeah I think it'd be convenient if they had something similar to what you described.
I just tested this crap, there's like a 17% range that the cargo to up air will true combo and kill at the same time. It's not broken, DK is just going to end up getting the falco brawl treatment and platform camped once the person is in that combo+kill range until they're out of it. A major buff, but its nothing to be that worried about.i was implying that the numbers dont matter invs
also, how volatile is this mu on halberd? both characters dying sub 50% on easy stuff is hilarious
and dk has cargo up toss->aerial up b for like 30% at lower %.
The shuriken still has the same end lag from before so if you get close enough to Greninja they're pretty unsafe to throw out and they still don't come out as fast as Sheik's needles.
I know you said nvm but yeah don't worry, they still have enough startup lag to be balanced. It's not an unreactable amount like Needles. They are really good, though.
People need to understand Marth is actually good! Try playing Kirby and you'll see just how hard the matchup is! :^)
I wonder how good Arc Thunder would be if Robin's mobility is ever buffed haha
Robin's so bloody slow that it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he remained low tier anyway. I mean, Arcthunder into literally anything is nice, but is landing it in the first place something he can rely on?
With his new throw, forcing a shield is even scarier now imo.
... I get it.
In addition to B-reversing creating openings, Robin's thrown sword/tomes and now-threatening D-throw will typically get people to either spotdodge, which Arcthunder beats directly, shield, which Arcthunder splays out on and locks them into the shield, leading to the Dthrow anyway, or roll away, which can get punished or force them into shield again by Arcthunder, leading to foxtrot Fsmash.
Oh God no. The reward on Arcthunder is insane now, but it needs to be that way. His mobility is still ass and his recovery is exploitable; he'll still struggle against certain characters, but you can't count Robin out anymore because his reward is so much better now.
If you use the strong Thoron (holding down B) then it's easier to hit offstage opponents with, does more damage, and KOs earlier (assuming you're not close enough to follow up). It'll never be irrelevant.
It still annoys me that Thoron is weaker than Arcthunder. It's the max charge level, but Thoron+ is the only version that actually feels powerful.
fox also got a new shine, he is still pretty solid.quick qs: is
is definetely top15, not top10 IMO.
They can also be outright banned from the tourney, which is something that you can't do by changing the rules in Smash mode, and making them use their defaults isn't any less justifiable than it was beforehand.
