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FullMoon
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  • Yo, how do you feel about Genji right now? I wonder if the tank meta makes him a struggle to use or I just I suck (or both)
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yeh, I think the PTR patch dropped a couple days ago. I heard D.Va's been really gutted lol
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    they flipped the health:shield ratio (was 2:3, is now 3:2 ) and nerfed her fire. It doesn't seem that bad .
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    and the patch dropped as soon as the Oni genji event ended iirc (January 3rd)
    Contrary to what's been said, I still think Genji's pretty good but that's only if you're the type of Genji who never utilized the melee combo/triple jump tech that much. Projectiles were buffed which helps Genji a bit

    Hanzo tho. He's basically powerful long-mid range hitscan now. rofl
    wedl!!
    wedl!!
    godlike ulti which works in pretty much any lineup, bubbles are amazing, incredibly high damage output

    she's just useful and impactful in every situation, but has a really high skill requirement

    again, i'm not 100% sure and she probably isn't, but in my (maybe biased?) opinion she's the best
    Berserker.
    Berserker.
    zarya with full charge is the best hero, theoretically. she's also the only one who can cleanse zen's discord which is huge in the meta. her ult has a lot of play making potential. barriers are just straight-up amazing. also, having 200 shield + 200 health makes her very durable and less reliant on heals. with enough charge, her dps is potent. at full charge, she's nuts. 195 dps is ridiculous
    Berserker.
    Berserker.
    she's an amazing hero. probably one of the best in terms of what she offers. only issue she really has is although she has a personal barrier, good dps for a tank, and a lot of shield health, among the tanks (except roadhog), she gets overwhelmed really easily. that and well, she doesn't have that much mobility
    Congrats man!

    Well deserved
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Thanks, I wasn't expecting an application done for the heck of it to actually result in something lol
    Greninja's standing grab is one of the better ones in the game IMO.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Nah it's frame 11 and not even that big. After it got buffed it went from trash to usable but it's still nothing special
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    It has some of the best range for a non tether and has the lowest cool down out of all the grabs iirc. A lot better than people give it credit for. People still call the move trash lol
    D
    Yo, wanna play sometime today? Sorry it's been so long.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Today I might hang out with a friend so if I do have the time to play it's gonna be late at night
    Your comment about you having a gallery full of Greninja and Sans pictures makes me want to combine the two. Saninja.

    Unfortunately they have very different bodies. Could probably make a Grenjnja hoodie for Sans or something.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I really want fanart of that now goddamn, Sans with a Greninja hoodie would be cute af
    Don't you just find it funny most arts consisting of Sans are either decipting him as a super lazy and/or caring person? Genocide arts don't even come close to picturing his difficulty. Some of them even show him regretting for killing the player.

    When he dunks my a** about twenty times ruthlessly in a row now.

    Srsly tho. Sans for Smash 4 DLC plz. Gravity and bones too OP.
    We'll play again some other time. Sorry for my crappy play, I have no idea how to fight low hitboxes like Grenny. You're pretty good! Also your internet isn't that bad at all, wtf. Brazil? I've played worse on FG from AMERICA, man.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I'm usually available to play most of the day, just tag me and I'm probably gonna be around for it. But yeah I was surprised that our matches were so smooth connection-wise, I was expecting a lot more lag.
    TTTTTsd
    TTTTTsd
    Beautiful! I want more Greninja practice if you feel me. I'm ass at fighting him right now and need to learn his setups.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yeah almost nobody plays Greninja even tho he's a pretty great character now. But it's fun to be the underdog so I'm ok with it =V
    Nice gif. Where'd you get it?
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Aw, that's nice to know. To be honest there's a bunch of pictures I wanted to use in my signature but I decided not to because spoilers lol
    Pazzo.
    Pazzo.
    That's wise. Undertale was a great experience for me because I went in unspoiled.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Same, only thing I knew were that Toriel, Sans, Papyrus and Undyne were.
    I still quit CCI but holy **** that post triggered me so bad LOL
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yeah after seeing your post I just kinda figured I couldn't add anything else to it so I just pretended I didn't see it. Plus I know nothing of the meta of other fighting games lol
    To be totally fair that's the same reason I quit Bayonetta too. She was fun and felt ok and not dumb at first but....it kinda all piled up and I wasn't liking what I was able to circumvent/pull off with her...
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I actually didn't really care much about what I was able to do with her, she just didn't feel as fun to play with as Greninja did. I even had more fun playing with Lucas than with her. A shame too because I really wanted to do well with her but she just didn't resonate with me.
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    asking*
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Tbh I'm probably not the best person to be put in charge of balancing, but I think I addressed most issues people have with Greninja. At least without making any broken changes like say, giving him old Hydro Pump.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I gotta say though, starting to mod Sm4sh already feels really unnecessary. The development of this game just got finished, it kinda looks like people are just desperate to get buffs on their characters.
    *The "meat" is made of something called a "water sausage."
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    The funny thing about that is that Sans is basically just selling you a vegan hotdog, just not a typical one.
    I think I've sold my soul to Undertale too now.

    Now could you pls help me with Asgore? ;-;
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    I showed him mercy...this time :>
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Good, now go kill everyone in the genocide route since I didn't have the courage to do it myself =V
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    watching a guy betray kill Toriel has made it emotionally impossible to kill anyone. :(
    Have you voted on the Clan name in greninja's general discussion yet? It looks like "The Village Hidden in the Pond" is gonna win.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I voted for Waves I think.
    Ugh, every time I see a profile pic with Sans on it I immediately start shivering. I've had many bad times with that skeleton. EASILY the hardest boss in Undertale. 0/10 would do genocide run again. Also I see you a lot in the CCI thread and Zelda social, you're pretty cool.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I don't do Genocide because I can't hurt these fictional people. I just watch videos of it and if the worst that happens is being called out by Flowey I'm totally on board with it.

    Thanks by the way, it's nice to know someone finds me cool.
    Mr. ShinyUmbreon
    Mr. ShinyUmbreon
    No problem. I loved to listen to the track Megalovania and I decided I wanted to get to the boss where it plays. Little did I know I was in for a bad time. Also I did Genocide before I did pacifist which I heavily regret. For more reasons than one, if you do genocide, permanently change the pacifist ending, and get... well... this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czXiboQFrvg
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yah, I know everything about this game already. If I did a Genocide playthrough I would just reset after I was done with Sans. Even though I'm pretty sure Undyne would be harder for me because I really suffer with the green heart mechanic.

    I'm just gonna stay with my Pacifist ending and the feels that came with it. The Lost Souls segment is probably the best part of the whole game.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Hotel Wi-Fi + Youtube = No

    From what I saw it looks like a typical metal cover of Megalovania to me.
    Berserker.
    Berserker.
    it's really good imo but then again, i have a thing for metal covers :p
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    get duuuuuuuuunked
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    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    You have no idea how I want to do a Genocide run just so I can get to fight Sans, but I like these characters too much to kill them =V
    Berserker.
    Berserker.
    some of my friends said that the genocide playthrough is pretty grindy but the soundtracks (megalovania <3) and some of the boss fights make it pretty worth your while

    then, they like... deleted their save file and re-did the pacifist run. lol
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    You only get 2 real boss battles in the Genocide route and I think they're the only ones with a special song for the Genocide route. I don't really think it makes all the grinding worth it, especially because the more you kill the longer it takes for another random encounter to show up.

    I think I'd lose my patience pretty quickly even though at least the two bosses you fight are pretty great lol
    Did you seriously change your profile pic twice today?
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I was looking for something that looked good and it happened that I found something I liked better after the first change =V
    I can't find replays of Some for the life of me -_- you know where I could find some? Also, do you know any other great greninjas besides istudying and Some?
    You might wanna try Lucas again. The patch buffed him a lot. He's incredibly safe and he isn't reliant on grabs anymore.
    Aunt Jemima
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yeah Sheik is basically impossible

    rip Greninja's chances of being top tier.

    I'll have to live with it though because I won't get anywhere close to be good enough with any other character.

    I still play Lucas for fun though.
    Aunt Jemima
    Aunt Jemima
    o

    idk how Lucas vs. Gross **** is now tbh
    Hey man, just played you on Smashladder.com in a real close set and you defeated me soundly. My name was Funkermonster and I was a light blue Mega Man/Greyninja, and I just wanted to stop by and say thx for the games, I think fighting you was a real learning experience. Just in time since I got a tournament this weekend, and our battle showed to me some of what's sloppy with my gameplay:
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    Funkermonster
    Funkermonster
    I also thought for sure you were gonna go Greninja on Game 3 (which was why I switched back to Mega Man, wanted MU experience there and I'm not a big fan of dittos) and I didn't expect you to use Lucas all 3 times, so you kinda surprised me there too haha. Even so, I've had interest in Lucas myself for awhile now, and I didn't even know some of the stuff you did to me was possible.
    Funkermonster
    Funkermonster
    Again, thx for the games, it was fun and I learned something :)
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    I'm going Lucas only on Anther's this season. Believe me I was tempted to switch to Greninja on game 3 lol. I'm just self imposing that in order to actually get good with Lucas.

    The games were fun though, it felt really odd going against Greninja like that.
    Thanks to you I knew the MU for Greninja and took out Amsa!
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    Hydro Pump works against slow characters, but against top tiers like Sheik/Pika you just get Bouncing Fish/QA'ed during endlag, it's no fun at all. Or if you're against ZSS/Falcon airtight strings.

    Greninja really needs a faster n-air. That's the only change I would make to him. shave 3-4 frames startup off of his n-air.

    And cool. I like spamming Dabuz with notifications thought :D
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Having a faster N-Air would be godlike, yes. That and a faster grab.

    Something worth mentioning is that if there's a platform above you, Shadow Sneak hitstun cancel helps get out of Up-Tilt chains because Greninja will land on the platform and likely out of reach or just get hit again but sent too high for the chain to continue. I try to not bring Mario to FD because of that.
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    Interesting. I don't take Mario to Battlefield or Town and City as Pikachu because platforms interrupt Thunder escapes (you can use Thunder to get out of Mario's up-tilt/up-air strings)
    Hi brother, i'm trying to improve my ninja game, and i would like to have some general tips, since right now im playing just based on good fundamentals, and while most of the time win, i fell like im not using even 20% of the ninja's potential.
    vids
    tips
    anything! would be welcome

    THX
    Hello GreninjaMoon, question for you.

    how does Greninja fare (in common perception) vs Mario, Luigi, and Ness?
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    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    I know, but I hate to camp with a furious burning passion haha
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Oh, I see, heheh.

    Other than Rosalina I don't know who might cover all of them very well. I think the best you could hope is for a character to beat two of them and go even with the other. Greninja might or might not fit into that category depending if people can reach a consensus on Mario and Ness.
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    I've been looking at using Fox. He doesn't beat any of them lol, except maybe Ness, but Fox is just so broken/dumb that he may fit anyway.

    Other than that, I've looked into Lucas, who walls Luigi, outranges Mario, and gimps Ness better than the other way around (Lucas can recover low to avoid Ness' down-b gimp).
    Props to you for being a diehard character loyalist while being so reasonable in discussion about your character. There are many others who vehemently deny their character's flaws or get offended when someone says that the character isn't viable. Not you. Much respect, sir.
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yeah, giving him a normal standing grab would fix a lot of his issues and make him a solid high tier character. As it is right now he just can't deal with pressure very well to be high tier, mid-high is where he'll be until he gets a better grab.

    Everytime there's a new patch the first thing I check is Greninja's standing grab in blind hope it's buffed =V
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    even giving him ZSS grab would make him better (not the dash grab though)
    FullMoon
    FullMoon
    Yeah, no question on that. It's only 2 frames faster with a lot less range, the trade-off is not even close to being worth it. A lot of tethers like Lucas's are faster than it too.

    I honestly don't know why they made it so slow. It has huge range yeah, but Charizard's grab range is huge and it has normal frame data.

    I'm just glad Greninja has a top 5 dash grab and a great pivot grab to compensate.
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