VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[DoH]

Also platforms tend to speed other characters up and slow Peach down. No interruptions is good for how her combo game flows, and lack of platforms also cuts down their recovery options

 

[knightpraetor]

sveet 4 frames of lag after floating or do you mean after releasing your float. The latter is what i seem to be seeing

 

[Ryobeat]

Speaking of stages, can Yoshi's be a good place for Peach vs Marth? The last two times i counterpicked there i won. I feel like it might be a good stage because it cuts off marths movement and space to react, and then peach is just all in his face. Its that or im just completely wrong XD

 

[ShroudedOne]

@KP: The latter.

@Ryobeat: If you can DI his fthrows and avoid random tippers, Yoshi's isn't that bad. Still, it's much easier for him to smother you with his sword there.

I won't say you're completely wrong...but there's a reason as to why big stages are better vs Marth...

 

[KirbyKaze]

You're completely wrong.

 

[Beat!]

Yes, please CP Marths to YS. It's a really good idea, I promise. You won't regret it. Honestly.

 

[Ryobeat]

@Ryobeat: If you can DI his fthrows and avoid random tippers, Yoshi's isn't that bad. Still, it's much easier for him to smother you with his sword there.

I won't say you're completely wrong...but there's a reason as to why big stages are better vs Marth...

What i feel like is that on other stages, its a long way to approach, and i get baited into stuff when he just dash dances. It might just be that i approach too much. On yoshi's , that smooth movement that scares me into doing stupid stuff does happen anymore, and i feel more comfortable.

Match 2 is on yoshi's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lVdXfqfdNE Is it that he's doing something wrong or i just happened to beat him?

KK: Why is I all wrong? p Explain, i want to understand.

 

[Froggy]

Hey Vanz why did you go Young Link against Kage?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I was just goofing off. I don't really know the merits of the stage for Peach vs Marth and vice versa aside from random tipper killing at 50%.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

sveet 4 frames of lag after floating or do you mean after releasing your float. The latter is what i seem to be seeing

Both actually, now that you mention it. What a coincidence.

 

[Ryobeat]

I was just goofing off. I don't really know the merits of the stage for Peach vs Marth and vice versa aside from random tipper killing at 50%.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. i cant even look it up because no one chooses that stage D:

 

[Xyzz]

I absolutely detest Yoshis vs Marth. If there's stage bans to be made, we won't play there.
But if it works for you, go ahead and take them there. I recall Ken being really good on Mute City despite it not really being a good Marth stage, so yeah...

On the other hand, I don't really see what's so amazing with YS. There isn't that much space on BF / FoD either, and their platform height doesn't allow Marth to punish you on reaction for ever landing on a sideplatform above him. I'd usually take them to DL if available but everything else is just fine as well... ( DL > FoD > BF / FD / PS > YS for me. I don't really mind spacious stages against, since while it gives him room to work with, I will just get more turnips when he doesn't approach enough or makes the mistake of keeping too far away. FoD is a personal favorite of mine in quite a few matchups because of its high ceiling and the platforms that so many people struggle to deal with while they are no hindrance for Peach at all, but DL is so great because everything is soo huge that one doesn't die early and recovering is also pretty ok because the huge layout makes it pretty hard for Marth to cover up everything if you reach the stage at a decent height )

 

[Rosedemon]

Mute City wasnt really a bad stage for any character (besides Sheik trololol) it was just an extremely good one for Peach/Puff.

 

[Wake]

I've been thinking of not banning YS against Marth mains anyways because I hate PS against him.

 

[knightpraetor]

Hmm, I beat doll in tourney only on the big stages and then lost the sets by losing on the small stages...against DoP when i played him I had the same problem and would net wins in friendlies on big stages but couldn't win on smaller ones.

however, my skill level has changed so much since the last time I played a decent peach that I don't know how valid it is for marth to fish for low percent kill moves on peach. When i watched dr. PP's sets with armada, he didn't seem to get low percent kills that often, and got ***** on yoshi's once.

just off of my gut I would say big stages are better for marth, but I honestly think most marths including me really suck at the vs peach matchup, so maybe the big stages just help make up for bad edgeguarding and inability to clutch low percent kill opportunities

 

[john!]

I've been thinking of not banning YS against Marth mains anyways because I hate PS against him.

looks like i know what character i'm going to choose next time i face you!

*fthrow fthrow tipper*

*wake dies at 40%*

 

[V]

Between Sheik and Puff who's the better doubles partner for Peach?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Mute City wasnt really a bad stage for any character (besides Sheik trololol) it was just an extremely good one for Peach/Puff.

Sheik is fine on Mute except when the floor is gone completely but most characters suck at that point.

 

[darkatma]

In here a few pages late, but Alan is the best teams peach. Then Armada

 

[Wake]

looks like i know what character i'm going to choose next time i face you!

*fthrow fthrow tipper*

*wake dies at 40%*

You will not beat me with Marth, but you can try if you want silly. You'll have to be as good as Bluezaft in the MU though.

MM? YS only, Bo5 vs your Marth.

 

[john!]

MM? YS only, Bo5 vs your Marth.

depends, which character are you going to use? choose wisely.

 

[Wake]

I'm going to use Peach.

 

[Rosedemon]

Between Sheik and Puff who's the better doubles partner for Peach?

Sheik.

Puff suffers from that "knock one away and double team the other one" issue

In here a few pages late, but Alan is the best teams peach. Then Armada

 

[ShroudedOne]

Sorry, John, but you're probably going to get scraped. Not too late to back out, though.

 

[john!]

Sorry, John, but you're probably going to get scraped. Not too late to back out, though.

i was hoping he would pick a character that wasn't peach so that i would actually agree the money match

but hell no i'm not gonna go marth vs. his peach! i'm not a charity ffs

 

[Wake]

i was hoping he would pick a character that wasn't peach so that i would actually agree the money match

but hell no i'm not gonna go marth vs. his peach! i'm not a charity ffs

Fiiiine. Maybe I'll go someone else. Marth dittos, or maybe I can use Sheik.

 

[Cia]

Slightly off topic.

I really wish Janna was in Melee..

..

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I would main Janna.

 

[Wake]

I'm guessing that's a LoL character? Either way, I've no clue who that is lol.

 

[john!]

if whimsicott was in melee

i would play whimsicott only

even in friendlies

 

[Strong Badam]

I wish Gangplank was in Melee.

 

[Wake]

Man I feel so out of the loop now.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Lux all day baby.

Or maybe Miss Fortune.

 

[MacD]

hmmmmmmmm, idk who i would want to play

maybe tank gragas or AD sona

ps vanz, i'm undefeated top with tank gragas. i 've beat riven and jax

 

[Strong Badam]

LOL tank gragas
oh god

 

[VA]

what a **** game. play dota 2 y'all, it's like you're playing brawl instead of melee.

 

[Xyzz]

I never really enjoyed one of those games (tried HoN, LoL, Dota2 ... but they somehow weren't nearly as fun) after stopping to play the original dota...
I might give dota2 another shot since by now I've upgraded to a PC where it should run pretty smooth, but on the other hand, I'm highly entertained by Tribes Ascend and TF2 as well for now, and those don't take sooo much time to play one round :D

 

[Rosedemon]

what a **** game. play dota 2 y'all, it's like you're playing brawl instead of melee.

See that analogy doesnt work because LoL is more popular, more played and has a stronger financial backing.

I'd most def play Renekton or Shaco if they were in smash.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I would take that marth vs peach YS only MM!

Also, dota2 is the truth. If anyone wants to play, SveetX is my steam

 

[DoH]

I would take that marth vs peach YS only MM!

That's tempting

 

[VA]

See that analogy doesnt work because LoL is more popular, more played and has a stronger financial backing.

I'd most def play Renekton or Shaco if they were in smash.

see that analogy doesn't work because DotA was a custom map of WC3, LoL is a game in its own right. y'all don't know nutin if ur saying my analogy doesn't work. I've played both and it's honestly like going from melee to brawl in terms of fun at least.

btw DotA 2 had a $2,000,000 tournament before it was released.