VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[thesage]

The point is not just to reflect lasers. It's a mental attack too. Most Falco players aren't that creative to begin with, they have their standard laser to **** stuff that once you force to them to adapt they get seriously off their game. If you make a Falco's laser functionally powerless - or at best a decreased functionality or useless as a zoning tool - then you have created a paradigm shift in the match up. Falcos on defense are generally awful, and then you can rush them over with offensive fair to **** combos.

It has never been about playing like a TAS Peach. It's always been about making your opponent feel like their weapons are useless. Lasers and dair can't be spammed, making the matchup fair.

This this this this.

Most Falco players are very repetitive. Imagine being good enough at powershielding so that when falco is just standing in place and spamming laser's he's not actually safe at all.

 

[Rosedemon]

Oftentimes when I accidentally powershield like 2 of Falcos lasers in a row, they start to look like a fish out of ****ing water. They stop shooting lasers and start doing haphazard approaches which gives me the edge in the MU.

 

[Wake]

Yeah I've noticed similar reactions. It's hilarious. Falco is messing with the wrong woman.

 

[DoH]

In my old age, I can keep up with a lot of these technical falcos because of my powershielding abilities, which rarely get recorded

 

[Brookman]

Zoso is in here WOAH.

How many people have caught onto that quick DJC float Armada uses to place nairs quickly??


here dave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ixB-NxP74

 

[thesage]

I've experimented with that in the past. It's risky but can by good. Can you point out specific examples of this from videos? I never noticed Armada doing it on purpose.

 

[Brookman]

he does it . . . constantly . . . have you ever watched him play??

 

[Wake]

Yeah I do that DJ nair thing too. I noticed him doing it, and STOLE IT.

 

[MacD]

like right before you hit the ground out of stun??

cause i've been doing that for years

 

[Brookman]

no silly but thanks for trying

 

[Cia]

Has anyone here seen that Smasher Elo thing? I lol'd.

Then I lol'd even harder when I saw they counted pools matches.

http://www.ssbpd.com/

 

[Juushichi]

But doesn't that just count who you beat and how good comparatively they are? I mean, I get that people don't try in pools, but not sure why lol.

 

[VA]

Has anyone here seen that Smasher Elo thing? I lol'd.

Then I lol'd even harder when I saw they counted pools matches.

http://www.ssbpd.com/

Why did you "lol"?

 

[Xyzz]

Presumably because some people don't try too hard in pools and goof around with secondaries, treating the matches more like friendlies than tourney matches they have to win.

 

[Cia]

Why did you "lol"?

because an Elo system isn't really good for determining the best players. it favors those who go to more tournaments. i've seen some 1300 elo smashers that would probably kick my ***.. lol

also. pools. LOLOL. i got kirby, zelda, and Young Link in pools. nuff said

 

[Prince_Abu]

i think it only counts pools as half as important as bracket

 

[MacD]

because an Elo system isn't really good for determining the best players. it favors those who go to more tournaments. i've seen some 1300 elo smashers that would probably kick my ***.. lol

also. pools. LOLOL. i got kirby, zelda, and Young Link in pools. nuff said

people mess around in ranked matches, people mess around in games that "count"

i don't think anyone thinks ELO is the best system for smash. but on the whole, would end up pretty accurate. but lots of local tournies TIO files were never saved, and there are the people who can't go as often, but that applies to any and every ranking system

but it's done well and is surprisingly accurate for how recently they started doing it, and how many tournies they were actually able to get from the past.

i think you are hating on it a bit much for no reason

 

[Cia]

i'm not "hating on it." It doesn't hurt me in anyway at all. It just isn't going to do what the vast majority of ppl think it will do (accurately separate the best players from the worst)

 

[DoH]

Me being below silly kyle and Paju?

 

[john!]

ssbpd has matches listed under my name from before i started playing in tournaments.....

 

[Quaz]

Haha a random friend of mine who went to a few tourneys has some different matches that werent even him. It really only matters for higher players though.

 

[standardtoaster]

John, it's probably because you're grouped in with anyone else who has used the john tag. You should post in the ssbpd thread about it if you want it fixed.

 

[Paju]

Me being below silly kyle and Paju?

You should upload more TIO files to the database.

 

[Van.]

i hope this doesn't annoy anyone, but i honestly can't figure out the search function on this site.
Q thats been asked 34643660 times before: what are the CG % for fox and falco? i know falcon is 1-74. thanks

 

[ShroudedOne]

Made a text file with everything using AR awhile back along with some other stuff I do when CGing.


-----------------------
Falco (15%-108%)
-----------------------

***U-Throw D-Smash***
Away: 0%-31% (Must Walk)
Behind: 0%-10%


*** No DI ***
End: (Pivot=109%-111%), (Non-Pivot=108%)

*** Up-Towards DI ***
End: (JC Grab=117%-118%), (Dash Grab=109%-111%)

(U-Tilt, Turnaround U-Tilt [Up&Towards DI] Ends @ 95%), (U-Smash KOs @ 118%-150% on FD)

--------------------
Fox (21%-96%)
--------------------

***U-Throw D-Smash***
Away: 0%-26% (Must Walk)
Behind: 0%-12% (11-12 is Picky)


*** No DI ***
End: (Pivot=104%-106%), (Non-Pivot=96%)
*** Up-Towards DI ***
End: (JC Grab=108%-109%), (Dash Grab=102%)

(U-Tilt, Turnaround U-Tilt [Up&Towards DI] Ends @ 97%), (U-Smash KOs @ 112%-145% on FD)

There you go. Not annoying, it's just that we've a plethora of information that can be found through searching. It's all good, though.

Where has Veril been lately? I could use his knowledge. I certainly appreciated it...

 

[Vwins]

because an Elo system isn't really good for determining the best players. it favors those who go to more tournaments. i've seen some 1300 elo smashers that would probably kick my ***.. lol

also. pools. LOLOL. i got kirby, zelda, and Young Link in pools. nuff said

yeah I agree lol this system has so many flaws or maybe they are right and i just really suck at this game i'm not even in the top 10 peach players

 

[Wake]

You just need to play more! I love watching you.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Top 10 Peaches. What would that look like...wait, does the database have that?

EDIT:
Armada - 2109 [Sweden]
MacD - 1722 [California]
VaNz - 1690 [Ohio]
Sastopher - 1665 [Washington]
Paju - 1635 [Finland]
KrazyJones - 1632 [Massachusetts]
Cort - 1628 [Connecticut]
Silly Kyle - 1583 [Arizona]
Vidjogamer - 1567 [Ohio]
LIGHT - 1561 [Arizona]

lol

What a wonky list....

 

[unknown522]

KK posting

I mean, the first three aren't totally ridiculous but then it gets weird.

 

[john!]

that list sums up a few of the problems i have with their ranking algorithm

 

[Cherished Doll]

Played Peach today...
Wasnt to bad.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Some of those players are just inactive. Cort, LIGHT and sastopher were some really freakin good peaches

 

[Brookman]

COOOOooorrrrrRRRRRTTT

 

[Quaz]

OMG Krazy Jones was CRAZY good back in the day. I loved that guy's peach.

 

[baka4moé]

jw, does light have a smashboards account?

 

[Cherished Doll]

jw, does light have a smashboards account?

He does

 

[Silly Kyle]

Light doesn't post very often lol

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Yo Kyle, I didn't get to see it yet but it looks like you beat Wesballz. Good work dude :D

 

[DoH]

easy mode, obvi

 

[Silly Kyle]

Silly Kyle vs. WestBallz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46SZmzoymY&feature=g-all-u&context=G2b40384FAAAAAAAADAA

HYPE