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Ultimate’s Sequel: Super Smash Bros. Infinite Project

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Many moons ago, we had a dedicated user group of individuals led by our trusted leader God Robert's Cousin God Robert's Cousin who tried to make a Smash game here on Smashboards. Not actually developing it; just through typing and brainstorming. This included everything from characters, stages, and more but the project took a while and never was completed. With Christmas upon us, I thought now was a good time to launch a slimmer-down, version of what we had way back when.

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Super Smash Bros. Infinite Content
Below is a list of content confirmed for Super Smash Bros. Infinite and has a presence on the Super Smash Bros. Infinite wiki
Game
Characters
Newcomers
Veterans
Stages
Items
Bomb Rocks​
Bonneter​
Cape Feather​
Goku’s Staff​
Phoenix Down​
Rainmaker​
Rock Pikmin​
Spirit Stone Flashlight​
Assist Trophies
Buzz Bomber​
Mona
Muddy Mole​
Pokey​
Pokeball Pokemon
Boss Spheres
Duon
Marx
Death Egg Robot​
Devil​
Mii Fighter Costumes Headgear
Skeleton Skull​
Firefighter Hat​
Zombie Mask​
Gorilla Mask​
Superhero Mask​
Royal Gentleman's Hat & Wig​
Royal Lady's Wig​
Elf Cap​
Knight Helmet​
Diving Suit Helmet​
Gangster Cap​
Primid Mask​
Bowser's Mask​
Pauline Hat & Wig​
Tingle Cap​
Pomemon Trainer (Male) Cap​
Pokemon Trainer (Female) Cap​
Ball Guy Mask​
Ness's Cap​
Robin (Male) Wig​
Robin (Female) Wig​
Gatekeeper Helmet​
Captain Syrup Bandana & Wig​
Garret Wig​
Raiden Mask & Wig​
Joker's Mask & Wig​
Terry's Hat & Wig​
Crash Cap​
Reporter's Wig​
Wrestler's Mask​
Mr. X's Mask & Hat​
Viewtiful Joe Mask​
Servbot Helmet​
Sukapon Helmet​
Buck Bumble Mask​
Larry the Bird Mask​
All Mii’s Classes
CEO Outfit​
Larry the Bird​
Mii Brawler
Dinosaur Suit​
Firefighter Outfit​
Zombie Outfit​
Gorilla with a Cage Suit​
Primid Outfit​
Bowser Outfit​
Pauline Outfit​
Tingle Outfit​
Pokemon Trainer (Male & Female) Outfit​
Ball Guy Outfit​
Captain Syrupt Outfit​
Terry Outfit​
Crash Outfit​
Ringside Outfit​
Mr. X Outfit​
Viewtiful Joe Outfit​
Servbot Outfit​
Sukapon Outfit​
Mii Swordfighter
Chef Outfit​
Royal (Male & Female) Outfit​
Santa's Elf Outfit​
Neandrathal Outfit​
Knight Armor Outfit​
Ness's Outfit​
Robin (Male & Female) Outfit​
Gatekeeper Outfit​
Garret Outfit​
Raiden Outfit​
Joker Outfit​
Mii Gunner
Diving Suit Outfit​
Gangster Outfit​
Kumatora Outfit​
Buck Bumble Outfit​
Modes
Spirits
ARMS
Music
ARMS
Smash Dungeon Enemies
Goomba (Mario)​
Koopa Troopa/Paratroopa​
Tyranitar (Pokémon)​
Gulpin (Pokémon)​
Polar Bear (Ice Climbers)​
Risen Infected (Fire Emblem)​
Swooping Switchbig (Pikmin)​
Tarantula & Scorpion (Animal Crossing)​
Duck (Duck Hunt)​
The Cell (ARMS)​
Primid (Smash)​
Aurora (Smash)​
Shell Chimeras (Astral Chain)​
Moto Bug (Sonic)​
Mettaur (Mega Man)​
Pixie (SMT/Persona)​
Jack Frost (SMT/Persona)​
Slime (Dragon Quest)​
Buzzbomb (Banjo-Kazooie)​
Witch (Minecraft)​
The Granados (Resident Evil)​
Pookas (Dig-Dug)​
Mars People (Metal Slug)​
Miscellaneous Information


Roster
This roster will be more traditional than Ultimate with what we had in last games with a more expansive starting roster. Besides adding more newcomers, numerous veterans will be greatly updated to give them new moves and mechanics. Echoes will be included again with some veteran Echoes either getting slightly updated or joining their updated base fighter.

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Isaac from Golden Sun

#83 Isaac
Golden Sun

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Splatoon

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Super Mario Bros.

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Crash Bandicoot

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Rhythm Heaven
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Resident Evil​
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Mysterious Castle Murasame
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Kirby
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Samus

Crawl: Morph Ball
Samus now has a crawl wherein she enters the Morph Ball.

Down Tilt: Bomb
Samus’ down tilt is her old down special. It can be used while moving, but not in the air.

Down Special: Beam Select
Samus’ new down special allows her to switch which beam she uses, which affects the attacks that use her arm cannon (her new forward tilt, new forward smash, up smash, and forward air). You select them similarly to Shulk’s Monado Arts, but they’re permanent and don’t switch back between stocks. You can tell which beam Samus has equipped via an icon next to her damage meter, and by the color of her arm cannon. She has four options:
  • Plasma Beam: Located on the bottom, with a green fiery icon. Samus starts with this beam equipped by default at the start of the match. It behaves similarly to her old moveset, being associated with close-range fire attacks. The most notable difference is that the fire is green now, in reference to the beam’s coloration in Super Metroid. Basically, this is the “balanced beam” of the four.
  • Ice Beam: Located on the top, with a blue snowflake icon. This beam fires blasts of ice with low damage and low knockback, but good frame data. Some of its moves have a freezing effect that can allow you to extend combos. Basically, this is the “speed beam” of the four.
  • Wave Beam: Located on the left, with a purple icon that has circles and a lightning bolt. The Wave Beam uses purple, circular energy with electric effects, and attacks with it tend to be slow but powerful. In addition, Wave Beam attacks tend to send the opponent at odd angles or move in a sine wave pattern themselves. Basically, this is the “power beam” of the four.
  • Spazer Beam: Located on the right, with a yellow icon that depicts three beams. The Spazer Beam goes out the furthest from Samus’ blaster, making it most suited for zoning. In addition, the Spazer always fires three projectiles at once, which changes some of Samus’ multi-hitting attacks like her forward-air and up-smash. Basically, this is the “range beam”.

Forward Air
The beam she has selected actually affects the way in which Samus performs this move.
  • With the Plasma Beam, she fires five green explosions from top to bottom, same as she always has (except for the color).
  • With the Ice Beam, she instead fires five blasts of freezing air from the lowest position to the highest - the opposite of how she normally does it.
  • With the Wave Beam, she has a blast of purple energy in the highest position, then in the lowest, then in the second highest, then in the second lowest, then in the middle.
  • With the Spazer Beam, she only shoots three lasers at the top, middle, and bottom positions. Unlike the rest, these lasers are actually projecties, albeit ones that don’t travel too far. This same change actually applies for her up smash as well.

Forward Tilt
Samus’ forward tilt has her shoot a shot from her arm cannon. This attack can be performed while moving, like Mega Man’s forward tilt, but it can be angled.
  • The Plasma Beam’s shot is a simple green projectile shot.
  • The Ice Beam’s shot is a blue shot that freezes.
  • The Wave Beam’s shot is a purple shot that moves slower and travels in a sine wave motion. It can travel through the stage.
  • The Spazer Beam fires three shots, which go further than those of the other beams.

Forward Smash: Charge Beam
Samus’ forward smash has her switch to the Ice Beam and charge a shot. This move can be angled. Its projectiles are basically bigger, more impressive versions of the shots fired by her forward tilt.

Neutral Special: Charge Combo
While similar to Charge Shot, this move is drastically affected by which beam she has equipped, and is now inspired by Special Charge Beam Attacks from Super Metroid and Charge Combos from Metroid Prime. Just like before, though, it’s a chargeable projectile that can be canceled while still keeping the charge.
  • Like with most moves, the Plasma Beam’s Charge Combo is simply the old move with some new visuals. This time, it’s a circular shot with four rings spiralling around it.
  • The Ice Beam’s Charge Combo is a blast of ice surrounded by four twinkling sparks. Upon hitting something, it has a wide-ranged “explosion” of ice that freezes anything it comes into contact with.
  • The Wave Beam’s Charge Combo is an unbroken stream of purple, wavy electricity whose length depends on how long it’s charged. It has the highest charge time of all of them.
  • The Spazer Beam’s Charge Combo goes the furthest, and fires three lasers that have slight homing properties.

Final Smash: Hyper Beam
Replacing the Zero Laser is this Final Smash, based on the ending of Super Metroid. Samus actually gets a fifth beam type, the Hyper Beam, marked with a rainbow Metroid icon. It combines the best traits of all the beams: the speed of the Ice Beam, the power of the Wave Beam, and the range of the Spazer Beam. It fires glowing rainbow beams. Samus gets to use the Hyper Beam for about 12 seconds before going back to whatever beam she had before.

Young Link
This version of Young Link allows him to use his Down Special to cycle between his transformation masks; these being Deku, Goron, and Zora. This would obviously alter Young Link’s stats significantly when changing between these masks.

Deku Link:
  • Weight: 2/10
  • Size: 4/10
  • Speed: 6/10
  • Power: 2/10
Goron Link
  • Weight: 9/10
  • Size: 7/10
  • Speed: 3/10
  • Power: 10/10
Zora Link
  • Weight: 6/10
  • Size: 7/10
  • Speed: 4/10
  • Power: 2/10

These transformations, as mentioned earlier, are accessed via Down Special which is Mask Change. This has a cooldown timer of 20 seconds in between each change with a 5 second transformation animation. Young Link’s default form still retains its same moveset but replaces the Bomb with Mask Change.

Deku Link:
  • Neutral Special: Deku Bubble - This is a chargeable attack which fires a bubble from Deku Link’s mouth. It does minimal damage but has higher than usual knockback. Charging the attack increases the damage output while also increasing the knockback.
  • Side Special: Deku Spin - Deku spins forward while rapidly kicking. Pressing special while moving forward increases the amount of spins for more damage. This attack can be used as a horizontal recovery tool.
  • Up Special: Flower Burst - Deku Link enters into a Deku Flower. This recovery move allows Deku Link to charge up the attack which increases its damage output and recovery distance. This will shoot Deku Link high into the air and will then cause him to enter into a freefall state. Pressing the Special button before this freefall state initiates the Deku Copter which allows Deku Link to sprout two flower petals. Deku Link can then glide down to safety. Damage animations are applied to when Deku Link shoots up from the Deku Flower as well as damage dealt from the flower petal copter blades.
  • Taunts
    • Up: Deku Link spins in place.
    • Side: Deku Link sits down and falls asleep with a bubble blowing from his nose.
    • Down: Deku Link shakes his head sadly while looking downward.
Gordon Link:
  • Neutral Special: Powder Keg - Goron Link pulls out a Powder Keg which can be placed, thrown, rolled, or carried. It won’t explode on its own and must need an outside force to detonate it such as a fire attack or being thrown several times. It7s explosion radius is quite large and does high amounts of damage. It can’t be picked up by any light to mid-weight fighters. Those who can are Ganondorf, King K. Rool, Donkey Kong, King Dedede, Rosalina & Luma, Bowser, and Charizard.
  • Side Special: Rolling Attack - Goron Link will spin rapidly and then shoot off into a rolling dash attack. Unlike many spin dash attacks, this one can’t be charged before use. Basically, players input the attack which causes Goron Link to start rolling around. Holding down the Special input after starting the attack and holding it while moving it around will power up the attack. This causes spikes made out of energy to enclose around Goron Link. If he hits a solid object, the attack ends and there is a significant amount of ending lag.
  • Up Special: Goron Pound - Goron Link will leap high into the air while rolled up into a ball. Once he reaches his max height, he crashes down similar to a Bowser Bomb. This attack does extremely high damage and will either knock opponents into the air or bury them; depending how close they are to the impact zone. Goron Link has invincibility frames while coming downwards.
  • Taunts
    • Up: Goron Link scratches his head under his cap.
    • Side: He pulls out a Rock Sirloin and eats it. It doesn’t replinish energy.
    • Down: He slaps his belly.
Zora Link:
  • Neutral Special: Double Cutters - Link fires dual cutters from his fins. Unlike in Majora’s Mask, these don’t fan outward horizontally. Instead, Link fires them vertically so one fin boomerang travels in an arc upwards before returning and the other travels in an arc downwards and then returns. The attack doesn’t do much damage but the trajectory of the attack is hard to predict making it a trustworthy attack.
  • Side Special: Barrier - Zoro Link erects an electrical barrier which, like Leaf Shield, will travel with Zora Link for some time. The attack halves any incoming damage and will also do contact damage to anyone nearby. The barrier lasts roughly 12 seconds but will decrease in duration time the more it is spammed.
  • Up Special: Dolphin Jump - Zora Link jumps high into the air while spinning rapidly. The player is able to slightly direct where Zora Link will travel up by tilting the control stick in the desired direction. The attack does several hits in a loop while it carries the opponent along with Zora Link
  • Taunts
    • Up: Zora Link spins on one foot while slashing both sides with his fins.
    • Side: Zora Link takes out his Fishbone Guitar and strums a tune before removing it. This is the only taunt that uses one of these musical instruments.
    • Down: Zora Link holds his hand out and gracefully twirls it around in a serene manner.

Final Smash: Fierce Deity Link - Young Link dons on the Fierce Deity Link Mask and fires off several sword slashes which sends sword beams across the stage. He then points the sword forward and unleashes a powerful Zero Laser-esque beam forward which does several loops of damage before launching the opponent.

Notes: There is a new Victory Animation that has Young Link play the Song of Awakening with the Ocarina of Time. Finishing the match with Deku Link. Zora Link, or Goron Link will see them play the Song of Awakening using their respective musical instruments.

Kirby has Kirby Hats for Young Link, Deku Link, Goron Link, and Zora Link. For the transformation versions, its simply one of the masks plastered onto his face. Therefore, Kirby can perform Deku Bubble, Powder Keg, and Double Cutters.

Ganondorf
There are a couple of things I wish to accomplish with this Ganon moveset, so let's go over those before we begin.

Firstly, even though a majority of his moves are changing, I want his playstyle to remain similar. He'll still be a super heavyweight, and his moves will have roughly the same power, timing, knockback angles, and space coverage. However, his new moves will give him an increase in range, attack speed (if only slightly), and recovery. In short, I want the new Ganon to feel like an upgrade, even though his lessened weaknesses will of course be counterbalanced.

Secondly, even though it'll still say "Ganondorf" on the CSS, I want this to be an all-encompassing Ganon, referencing not just all of Ganondorf's appearances, but all of Ganon's appearances period, whether as a Gerudo or as a massive porcine beast.

With that out of the way, let's get started. Ganon's differences are apparent even before he begins fighting. While his appearance remains based on Ocarina of Time, he wields two swords the way he did as the Demon King Ganon in that game, as well as as Ganondorf in Wind Waker. For his dash, he levitates similarly to Cloud. For some animations where his hands are necessary, he extends that levitation power to his swords, which will float near him until the animation is done. Some of his moves have him float the swords so he can summon a trident from the darkness.

Tilt Attacks
Ganon's jab is one of his few normal attacks whose range and timing is not based on its predecessor. Instead, it's now a three-hit jab consisting of an outward slash with both swords; a downward slash with his left hand; and a spin attack that deals two hits (one with each sword). This is based off of an attack he does in Wind Waker.

His forward tilt is a backhanded slash with his left hand. This, too, is based on an attack he does in Wind Waker. It hits at roughly the same timing and damage of his old forward tilt, but with a bit more range.

While no longer the Volcano Kick, Ganon's up tilt retains its most notable properties. Here, Ganon levitates his swords and dark energy slowly swirls into the shape of a trident in his hands. Like Volcano Kick, this creates a windbox that pulls opponents into the attack. Once finally complete a full second later, Ganon stabs the trident into the ground. Unlike the Volcano Kick, this attack has armor, but it's not exactly difficult to get out of the way.

His down tilt is an inward slash with both swords. It hits the opponent at an upward angle. It hits at roughly the same timing and damage of his old down tilt, but with a bit more range. This is based on an attack he does when landing from a jump in Wind Waker.

His dash attack has him point his swords forwards (as opposed to during his dash when they're pointed behind him in a reverse grip) and drive them forward and up for a devastating double stab. Like his old dash attack, this is a reliable followup in tech-chase situations.

There's actually one more "attack" to mention: in Ganon's side taunt, he puts his right sword away with a spinning flourish for the sole purpose of giving a dismissive swing of the hand. This is based off of a scene in Wind Waker, but the reference only becomes complete if you're standing right next to someone, at which point this taunt turns into a mean-spirited backhand. Like most attack taunts, this one doesn't do much damage and can't be canceled, but landing it will prove Ganon is still the King of Disrespect. For the record, his up-taunt is still his floating taunt, and his down-taunt is his palm-punching taunt, both with new floating-sword action.

Smash Attacks
Ganon's forward smash has him summon his trident and spin it diagonally above and behind him once before stepping forward with a heavy stab. The spin will actually drag opponents into the stab, so this attack has considerable range comparable to that of his previous forward smash.

Ganon's up smash has him summon his trident and spin it above his head for a multi-hit attack. A very powerful smash attack that hits on both sides of Ganondorf, but is about as slow as his previous up smash.

Ganon's down smash performs an outward slash with both swords while facing the camera. Like most down smashes, this attack hits on either side of him.

Aerial Attacks
His neutral aerial has him conjure up a ball of fire in front of him that burns brightly (dealing multiple hits) before exploding. This attack has decent range, comes out quickly, and lasts a while; just like his previous neutral air. This is inspired by the fire attacks occasionally used by Ganon in some of the 2D games.

His forward aerial is an overhand slash with his right sword, which has good reach and is quite powerful in the middle of the sword.

His back aerial has him flip both his swords into a reverse grip and thrust them backwards. Fast, but still quite powerful. However, its range is quite low.
Ganon's up-air kind of serves as a replacement for his up-tilt when fighting on the ground due to the latter's long startup time. He conjures dark magic around his upper body that hits opponents away. This move covers a fair distance around Ganon.

Like before, Ganon's down-air is a devastating spike. This time, however, he causes his swords to float before delivering a downward palm strike infused with black magic. If you hit the sourspot, the enemy merely gets launched at a diagonal angle. However, if you hit the sweet spot, both you and the opponent will stop in midair while Ganon electrocutes them with his magic. Then, with a final blast of darkness, he shoots the enemy directly downward. Visually, this is inspired by his old up-special, and serves to keep his fan-created role as the "King of Disrespect" alive even with a more game-accurate moveset.

Special Moves
Ganon's new neutral special is Dead Man's Volley, a slow but devastating homing projectile. Similarly to the Warlock Punch, it's slow to fire but can be turned around. He levitates his swords, then holds his left hand skyward and begins charging yellow, electric energy.The projectile can be reflected if hit with a melee attack - and once it is, it'll be heading right for the nearest other player with increased speed, power, and homing capability. Ganon, however, has a trick up his sleeve: if you're not in the middle of an attack, Ganon can reflect the volley automatically. However, it doesn't get any stronger when reflected this way - and if it's been reflected too many times, he'll just catch it instead of reflecting it. Other characters, meanwhile, have to do this the old-fashioned way. One final note - this move's startup is armored, and hitting it point-blank means it does more damage and can't be reflected. Overall, this move plays into Ganondorf's gameplan of punishing unsafe moves, references a Zelda mainstay, and still incorporates the gameplay of the Warlock Punch with its point-blank functionality.

Ganon's side special is still Flame Choke. After all, it's the only one of his specials to be completely unique, and it leads to unique tech-chase situations not really caused by other moves in Smash. However, it's had something a little special added - when used in the air, you'll create a fancy shockwave of golden, electric magic upon hitting the ground, which will deal damage to other opponents in a free-for-all. This is in reference to his shockwave attack in Ocarina of Time, used most prominently at the very beginning of the fight.

Ganon's new up special is named Black Whirlwind. While the name is entirely made up, it's inspired by the fight against Ganon in A Link to the Past. Ganon spins his trident around before throwing it (still spinning) in one of 8 directions, teleporting ahead of it, and catching it. After that, you can hit B while holding another direction to do it again. You can even do it a third time for good measure. And THEN, you can hit B one final time - but this time, he lunges forward for a stabbing attack with the trident, which serves as killer knockback for anyone who got caught in the move. There's a catch, though. This move is already pretty unsafe if you just do the one warp - it has high endlag, and Ganon has to pull his swords back out upon landing from being helpless, which means he's there for a relative while. It gets even LESS safe the more you do with it, so don't overdo it. When fighting against this move, patience is key.

Ganon's down special is called Malice Trident, but it's more of a reflavoring of his old down special. Instead of a kick, he flies forward with his trident instead.

His final smash remains Ganon, the Demon King. I feel that move does a great job of showing Ganon's beastly form in one explosive show of force.

Daisy
Like many of Ultimate’s Echo fighters, Daisy received a slight upgrade in the form of two new attacks: a new Side Smash and a new Final Smash:

Side Smash: Super Ball
Final Smash: Daisy Cruise

Dark Samus
Dark Samus will be updated along with Samus and will have her updated attacks and special attacks. Aside from that, she also gains a new Final Smash and a Down Smash:

Down Smash: Phazon Tendrils (She smashes down into the ground which causes tendrils of Phazon to shoot up all around her.)
Final Smash: Aurora Unit 313

Richter
Since Simon and Richter share so much in common, it didn’t seem right to give him several new moves but, like Dark Samus, he does gain a new Final Smash.

Final Smash: Hydro Storm

Hero
Under Hero’s Command Selection, icons now appear next to the text allowing for easier visibility.


Color Swaps
We have voted to include four additional swaps per character

Smash 64 New Palette Swaps
Smash Melee New Palette Swaps

Additional Links
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Meta Crystal
Super Smash Bros

Rainbow Road
Super Mario Bros.

Poké Floats
Pokémon

New Stages
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Battlefield
Super Smash Bros.
Final Destination
Super Smash Bros.

Venus Lighthouse
Golden Sun

Castle Dedede
Kirby

Bowser’s Castle
Super Mario Bros.

Dr. Mario
Super Mario Bros.

Waluigi Pinball
Super Mario Bros.

N. Sanity Beach
Crash Bandicoot

Beaumonde Arena
Style Savvy: Fashion Forward

Mystery Island
Animal Crossing New Horizons

Night Walk
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Nintendo Land
Nintendo Land

Tetris
Tetris

Twitter
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Raccoon City
Resident Evil

Murasame Castle
Mysterious Castle Murasame


Changes to Returning Stages
Adds in the following new biomes: Nether Wastes, Crimson Forest, and Bastion Remnent.
Adds in day/night cycle, weather; and background elements such as Guardians and the Divine Beasts
Adds in the new Microgames, Wario Whirled, Heads Up, and Alien Ambush
Midgar
Adding in the following summons:
Fat Chocobo, Shiva, Phoenix, and Knights of the Round
New course elements and cameos as well as an introduction of night versions.
New stage hazards including Icicles and Fighter Flies
M32 Scouts will appear while Metal Face appears less but powered up. Rain occassionally happens and a few more improvements to the design.
New cameos include Amy, Blaze, and Zavok. Enemies appear on the outer edges. Appearance more like with Sonic 1.
New Pokémon cameos who perform a variety of attacks. A Water section has been added.
A plethora of new cameos involving previous characters and Personas. New aesthetics and design features referencing early Persona games. Easily the most updated stage in the game.
New cameos and hazards including Gordon’s and Krackos coming from Wispy Woods
Includes cameos such as Fredrick, Lon’qu, and Cordellia among a few.
More cameos including Abaddon, Legion, and Dracula himself as well as past protagonists like Soma Cruz and Maria Renard
Adds further cameos such as Chinchos, Uproots, and Magmatoes.
Breaking the mansion causes a replacement mansion from Luigi’s Mansion 3. New ghastly cameos are also included
More monster cameos including Dracky, Great Savertoih, and Gold Grabber.
Adds more cameos from modern games such as UFO, Morpho Knight, and Ripple Star



Game Modes

All-Star Mode


All-Star Mode
All-Star Mode returns from Smash Ultimate, but is more similar to its appearances is Smash 4 and Brawl. You will have one life to get through 9 rounds which have ~10 fighters each, and are roughly sorted by time period. Every numbered and echo fighter is fought, but this time Alph, Alex, Erdrick, Solo, and Eight are also fought. The first round will start with the oldest fighter, Mr. Game & Watch, and the last round will end with the most recent fighter, Byleth. Stages for each round will be based on games that debuted with the characters in that time period i.e. Pac-Maze in round 1 and Garreg Mach Monastery in round 9. Between each round there will be a resting area where you can heal and collect prizes. Prizes will be won after each round, including coins, SP, spirits, snacks, and spirit board Support items. (as well as any new prizes introduced in Infinite). The prizes will start out small, and will increases as more rounds are cleared. There are three difficulties, Easy, Normal, and Hard, with the rewards being better as the difficulty increases. As in Smash 4, there will be a way to see which characters you have cleared All-Star Mode with, and on what difficulty you cleared it in. True All-Star mode will be unlocked once every character has been unlocked, which will be harder as there are more fighters, but the rewards will be even greater.
OrderFighterDebut Game (Japan)Debut Date (Japan)
1:ultgnw: Mr. Game & WatchBallApril 28, 1980
2:ultpacman: Pac-ManPac-ManMay 22, 1980
3:ultdk:Donkey KongDonkey KongJuly 9, 1981
4:ultmario:MarioDonkey KongJuly 9, 1981
5:ultluigi: LuigiMario Bros.July 14, 1983
6:ultlittlemac: Little MacPunch-Out!!December 1983
7:ultduckhunt: Duck HuntDuck HuntApril 21, 1984
8:ulticeclimbers: Ice ClimbersIce ClimberJanuary 30, 1985
9:ultrob: R.O.B.Stack-UpJuly 26, 1985
10:ultpiranha: Piranha PlantSuper Mario Bros.September 13, 1985
11:ultpeach: PeachSuper Mario Bros.September 13, 1985
12:ultbowser: BowserSuper Mario Bros.September 13, 1985
13:ultlink:LinkThe Legend of ZeldaFebruary 21, 1986
14:ultzelda: ZeldaThe Legend of ZeldaFebruary 21, 1986
15:ultsamus:SamusMetroidAugust 6, 1986
16:ultridley: RidleyMetroidAugust 6, 1986
17:ultsimon: SimonCastlevaniaSeptember 26, 1986
18:ultpit: PitKid IcarusDecember 19, 1986
19:ultpalutena: PalutenaKid IcarusDecember 19, 1986
20MedusaKid IcarusDecember 19, 1986
21:ultsnake: SnakeMetal GearJuly 13, 1987
22:ultryu: RyuStreet FighterAugust 30, 1987
23:ultken: KenStreet FighterAugust 30, 1987
24:ultmegaman: Mega ManMega ManDecember 17, 1987
25:ulthero3:ErdrickDragon Quest IIIFebruary 10, 1988
26:ultdaisy: DaisySuper Mario LandApril 21, 1989
27:ultmarth: MarthFire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of LightApril 20, 1990
28:ultdoc: Dr. MarioDr. MarioJuly 27, 1990
29:ultfalcon: Captain FalconF-ZeroNovember 21, 1990
30:ultyoshi:YoshiSuper Mario WorldNovember 21, 1990
31:ultsonic: SonicSonic the HedgehogJuly 26, 1991
32:ult_terry:TerryFatal Fury: King of FightersNovember 25, 1991
33:ultkirby:KirbyKirby's Dream LandApril 27, 1992
34:ultkingdedede: King DededeKirby's Dream LandApril 27, 1992
35:ulthero4: SoloDragon Quest VSeptember 27, 1992
36:ultwario: WarioSuper Mario Land 2: 6 Golden CoinsOctober 21, 1992
37:ultfox:FoxStar FoxFebruary 21, 1993
38:ultfalco: FalcoStar FoxFebruary 21, 1993
39:ultmetaknight: Meta KnightKirby's AdventureMarch 23, 1993
40:ultrichter: RichterCastlevania: Rondo of BloodOctober 29, 1993
41:ultness: NessEarthBoundAugust 27, 1994
42:ultdiddy: Diddy KongDonkey Kong CountryNovember 26, 1994
43:ultkrool: King K. RoolDonkey Kong CountryNovember 26, 1994
44:ultpokemontrainer: Pokémon Trainer:ultsquirtle::ultivysaur::ultcharizard:Pokémon Red and Green February 27, 1996
45:ultpikachu:PikachuPokémon Red and Green February 27, 1996
46:ultjigglypuff: JigglypuffPokémon Red and Green February 27, 1996
47:ultmewtwo: MewtwoPokémon Red and Green February 27, 1996
48View attachment 302869 Bandana Waddle DeeKirby Super StarMarch 21, 1996
49View attachment 302868 Crash BandicootCrash BandicootSeptember 9,1996
50:ultcloud: CloudFinal Fantasy VIIJanuary 31, 1997
51:ultsephiroth:SephirothFinal Fantasy VIIJanuary 31, 1997
52:ultwolf: WolfStar Fox 64April 27, 1997
53:ultyounglink: Young LinkThe Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of TimeNovember 21, 1998
54:ultsheik: SheikThe Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of TimeNovember 21, 1998
55:ultganondorf: GanondorfThe Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of TimeNovember 21, 1998
56:ultbanjokazooie:Banjo & KazooieBanjo-KazooieDecember 6, 1998
57:ultpichu: PichuPokémon Gold and Silver November 21, 1999
58View attachment 302866 WaluigiMario TennisJuly 21, 2000
59:ultvillager: VillagerAnimal ForestApril 14, 2001
60View attachment 302867IsaacGolden SunAugust 1, 2001
61:ultolimar: OlimarPikminOctober 26, 2001
62:ultroy: RoyFire Emblem: The Binding BladeMarch 29, 2002
63:ultbowserjr: Bowser Jr.Super Mario SunshineJuly 19, 2002
64:ulttoonlink: Toon LinkThe Legend of Zelda: The Wind WakerDecember 13, 2002
65:ultzss: Zero Suit SamusMetroid: Zero MissionMay 27, 2004
66:ulthero2: EightDragon Quest VIIINovember 27, 2004
67View attachment 302865AshleyWarioWare: Touched!December 2, 2004
68:ultike: IkeFire Emblem: Path of RadianceApril 20, 2005
69:ultdarksamus: Dark SamusMetroid Prime 2: EchoesMay 26, 2005
70:ultlucas: LucasMother 3April 20, 2006
71View attachment 306056BaristaRhythm TengokuAugust 3, 2006
72:ultlucario: LucarioPokémon Diamond and Pearl September 28, 2006
73:ultrosalina: Rosalina & LumaSuper Mario GalaxyNovember 1, 2007
74:ultwiifittrainer: Wii Fit TrainerWii FitDecember 1, 2007
75View attachment 303753 StylistStyle SavvyOctober 23, 2008
76:ultbayonetta: BayonettaBayonettaOctober 29, 2009
77:ultshulk: ShulkXenoblade ChroniclesJune 10, 2010
78:ultsteve:SteveMinecraftNovember 18, 2011
79:ultdarkpit: Dark PitKid Icarus: UprisingMarch 22, 2012
80:ultrobin: RobinFire Emblem AwakeningApril 19, 2012
81:ultchrom: ChromFire Emblem AwakeningApril 19, 2012
82:ultlucina: LucinaFire Emblem AwakeningApril 19, 2012
83:ultisabelle: IsabelleAnimal Crossing: New LeafNovember 8, 2012
84:ultalph: AlphPikmin 3July 13, 2013
85:ultgreninja: GreninjaPokémon X and Y October 12, 2013
86View attachment 302872 AlexMinecraft: Bountiful UpdateSeptember 2, 2014
87:ultinkling: InklingSplatoonMay 28, 2015
88:ultcorrin: CorrinFire Emblem FatesJune 25, 2015
89:ultjoker: JokerPersona 5September 15, 2016
90:ultincineroar: IncineroarPokémon Sun and Moon November 18, 2016
91:ultminmin Min MinARMSJune 16, 2017
92:ulthero: LuminaryDragon Quest XIJuly 28, 2017
93:ultpyra: PyraXenoblade Chronicles 2December 1, 2017
94
Mythra​
Xenoblade Chronicles 2December 1, 2017
95View attachment 303749 OctolingSplatoon 2: Octo ExpansionJune 13, 2018
96:ultbyleth: BylethFire Emblem: Three HousesJuly 26, 2019
Classic Creator PeridotGX PeridotGX
New Mode: Classic Creator

Every character in Ultimate has their own classic mode, and that's cool! That being said, the replay value is a bit lacking, because it's the same thing over and over again. The easy solution is to just make Classic Mode random again, but I'm going in the opposite direction: creating your own custom, Ultimate-esque paths.

Classic Modes are rather simple to create. Before anything, you must name it and decide if it's specific to a character or a mii, or if the whole cast can play on it. After that, you're free to customize the seven battles to your heart's content. You can choose what stage the fight is on, the background music, what items spawn, what fighters appear, and how many fighters there are (you can select up to 10, with 5 or more foes treated as a horde battles. You can also give your characters the Metal, Mega, and Mini effects). It's highly recommended that the last fight is a boss, but an earlier fight can be made a boss or the seventh could just be a regular one. After the Classic Mode is created, it appears in a menu where it can be selected from other created classic modes. These are treated as regular classic modes, you can do co-op, use tickets, and get spirits. You can upload them to the internet, and play ones from online (no download required, unless a custom stage is involved). If the mode is exclusive to a character you haven't unlocked/bought, you can't play it, but you still can if there's one as a CPU in the mode. Additionally, if it's tied to a Mii that's been uploaded to the internet, downloading that mii will also give you the classic mode.
Smash Dungeon

Throwing my hat into the ring for a new possible mode:

Smash Dungeon
Somewhat based on the "Tower of Smash" leak for Smash 4 many years back, this would be a single or multiplayer mode in a similar vein to Smash Run and Smash Tour, essentially being a replacement for both. It's a roguelike mode in which you and other players must battle your way through randomly-generated floors, defeating enemies to collect items before making your way to the boss of each floor. Items are similar to those found in Smash Tour, but grant you permanent passive buffs. These can be collected by defeating enemies, clearing challenging platforming sections, out on the ground, or shopping at vendors you can find on every floor. Enemies encountered hail from various Nintendo franchises like Smash Run, and also reintroduces the Subspace Army as foes you can fight. Bosses are also randomly generated, some that are also encountered in Classic Mode, others completely unique to Smash Dungeon. The dungeons can also be themed after various series, such as Mario castles, The Legend of Zelda temples, Eggman's bases from Sonic, dungeons from Persona, and many more. There would also be options, such as a difficulty setting for enemies, a slider for how often they spawn, how often power-ups appear, how many floors there are or if it's endless and players play to see how far they go, etc. Lastly, there would also be online play, allowing players to create rooms like Battle Arenas and play the mode together.

The only issue I can see with this is the multiplayer aspect when playing on one Switch, but I'm sure there can be workarounds for that.

Spirits
Probably a good idea to repost this before every Spirit Theme Event...

Submitting a Spirit/Spirit Battle

1) The Spirit must be from a game or series that has been on a Nintendo system at some point in time.
2) The Spirit must be relevant and important to the series are derived from.
3) While not always required, it’s preferred the Spirit must have artwork to accompany it instead if in-game sprites. Please provide an artwork of the Spirit for our Spirit Team.
4) All Spirits must have the appropriate information regarding their Spirit info and Battle info. This includes type, class, and ability for Spirits and puppet fighter, stage, music, and conditions for the Battles.
5) If submitting a rather obscure, off-the-wall, or particularly controversial Spirit, you may be asked to defend your reasoning as to why it should become a Spirit before it can be approved.

Submission Process

When submitting a Spirit, please submit no more than ten at a time as submitting a whole bunch in one batch is difficult to process quickly.

When submitting, please tag myself or Smashing Ramen Smashing Ramen so either one of us can approve or disapprove of the Spirit. Disapproving of the Spirit means they don’t follow with the above guidelines. Failing to get an approval by not pinging us results in that Spirit not getting evaluated. When disapproved, the evaluator will give a reason as to why.

Once approved, it will be added to our Spirit list both in the doc and our Wikia. If disapproved, you may submit a replacement Spirit that fits the above criteria.

General Submissions are currently closed.

Spirit Regulation

We have a great Spirit list but, looking at it, we have a lot of series bloated up with Spirits and other series not so much. We will no longer have a completely open submission process. Instead, we will have both our usual Spirit Theme submissions as well as Task Submissions. Task Submissions are a set of multiple guidelines in submitting a Spirit that we can follow to help make the Spirit List more expansive for every series.

We will still be holding off on adding Spirits until the wikia is up to speed. Once I get the ok, we will begin our Task Submissions.

  • Name
  • Series and debut game
  • Type and class
  • Spirit ability
If you include a Spirit Battle,
  • The puppet fighter(s)
  • Stage
  • Music (please take a look at the music doc to see if the song is available or if you want to include your own song)​
  • Type of match (stock, timed, stamina, etc)
    Conditions​
Here is a list of every Spirit from Ultimate + Sequel
Music

To submit a song, please visit the:
Music Submission Doc

Please take note of the current cap on songs that can be included at any given time. The cap will increase for certain series at the start of the week. Please only include songs from series and games that have had at least one appearance on a Nintendo console.

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Timeline & Confirmed Contents
  • E3 Reveal Trailer (53m 8s)​
    • Characters
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        • Isaac
        • Bandana Waddle Dee
        • Octoling
        • Waluigi
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        • Stylist
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        • Ganondorf
        • Young Link
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      • New
        • Venus Lighthouse
        • Castle Dedede
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        • N. Sanity Beach
        • Beaumonde Arena
        • Bowser’s Castle
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      • Returning
        • PAC-MAZE
        • Meta Crystal
        • Rainbow Road
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    • Items
      • Shock Bomb
      • Double Cherry
      • Anti-ssist Trophy
      • Gravity Fan
      • Dark Stone
      • Matryoshka Doll
      • Bottle of Soda
      • Coconut Gun
      • Armorslayer
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      • Aku Aku
    • Assist Trophies
      • Creeper
      • Futaba Sakurai
      • Big the Cat
      • Wii Fit Balance Board
      • Jenna
      • Cranky Kong
      • Mumbo Jumbo
      • Bokoblin
      • Eggplant Wizard
      • Dragonlord
      • Kula Diamond
      • Seteth
      • Tifa Lockhart
      • Dr. Neo Cortex
      • Nintendog (Shiba Inu)
    • Pokémon
      • Wooloo
      • Snom/Frosmoth
      • Cramorant
      • Galarian Stunfisk
      • Gengar
      • Sirfetch’d
      • Eiscue
      • Appletun
      • Eternatus
      • Aipom
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      • Hitmontop
    • Mii Fighter Costumes
      • Garrett
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      • Primid Costume
    • Game Modes
      • Smash Dungeon
      • Create a Classic Mode
    • Spirits
      • Cat Mario
      • Fury Bowser
      • Hestu
      • Zero
      • Adeleine
      • Hyness
      • Ash Greninja
      • Galarian Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres
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      • Yuri
      • Elemental Dijinn
      • Alex
      • Doom Dragon
      • Karis
      • Emmylou
      • Alina
      • Launch Octopus
      • Kasumi Yoshizawa
      • Ash Crimson
      • Aku Aku
      • Crunch Bandicoot
      • The Evil Twins
      • Jinbe
      • Bubsy
      • The Enchantress
      • Winnehild, Warbinger
      • Peashooter
      • Football Zombie
  • August Nintendo Direct (6m, 15s)
    • Character
      • Ashley
    • Assist Trophy
      • Kat & Ana
      • Mona
    • Mii Costume
      • Captain Syrup
    • Spirits
      • Demon Head
      • Penny Crygor
      • Gold Digger
      • Supermaker 21
    • Game improvements
      • “And the winner is...”
      • 4th taunt
      • Classic Mode Bonus Rounds
      • Hero selection changes
  • September Nintendo Mini Direct: Echo Spotlight (2m, 25s)
    • Character
      • Medusa
    • Additional Content
      • Medusa’s Palutena Guidance
  • October Nintendo Direct(3m, 45s)
    • Character
      • Barista
    • Stage
      • Nightwalk
    • Assist Trophy
      • DJ Adore & Love Posse
    • Mii Costume
      • Wrestler & Reporter
    • Spirits
      • Empolyee 333-4-591032
      • Muscle Doll
      • The Donpans
      • A Boy & His Crush
      • Screwbots
      • Beary
  • December Game Award Show Reveal
    • Character
      • Jill
    • Stage
  • February Nintendo Direct
    • Character
    • Stage
  • April Smash Direct

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Written by Doc Monocle Doc Monocle

The following is a compilation of all the content ever admitted to the hypothetical Smash 6 project.
Contributed to by all of the most dedicated members, this collection summarizes the efforts made to brainstorm the finest Smash Bros. game that never existed! So without further ado, let us have our splendid tour of the ideas presented by these fine minds...


Character Submissions
Developer Suggestion Character: Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western

Dillon, from the Dillon's Rolling Western series, has been assist trophiy'd twice (once in SM4SH, and again in Ultimate), for generally not being a popular character. But if he was given the chance, he could be an amazing fighter. He could be a defense-offensive character, with the main gimmick of his being his ability to place defense towers (after gaining money mid-battle?). He could also use his claws and roll up into a ball for movement. Also, he would be Smash's first cowboy.
As to why, his series is an underrated one, and is recent. If Dillon got into Smash bros, his series could be popular and likely to be saved as he's somewhat new and likely to be lingering a bit in Nintendo's mind. If he got in, we could get a new juggernaut of a series. He could also be the representative for the DS era, as none of the fighters series originated from the DS. Also, there are no tower defense characters in smash.

Edit... again... how many times have I edited this?: Welp, Issac won. But hey, I'm happy 4 other people voted for Dillon, I thought I was gonna be a solo voter. So that's neat.
Developer Suggestion Character: Takamaru from The Mysterious Murasame Castle
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Takamaru has kept up a notable fan following in the Smash community for a long time now, especially in the Smash 4 days. His game is no longer Japan-exclusive since the last known time he was considered, acclaimed Japanese game devs have given it their blessing and expressed interest in a revival, and it's one of the few "dead" Nintendo IPs with the distinction of continuing to be given little nods outside of Smash to this day, indicating that they still have the character on their minds to some degree.

In terms of gameplay, Takamaru would bring with him a completely new character archetype: the samurai. Additionally, reflecting on his original game's nature of always being on the move and dodging enemy attacks, he would be a quick, nimble and responsive fighter, his repertoire also putting emphasis on projectiles such as shuriken, pinwheel knives and fireballs in addition to physical attacks with his katana.

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My suggestion-Chibi-Robo of the Chibi-Robo! series.

(Keep in mind I've never played a Chibi-Robo game in my life, but I've done my research and I'm a huge Scott The Woz fan, so I know a thing or two about this little guy).
Currently a Mii Costume in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Chibi-Robo debuted in 2005 in Japan, in the game Chibi-Robo! Plug into Adventure! It's a game where you, Chibi-Robo, are a little robot helper who goes around a family's house, performing cleaning and other various tasks. However, you'll have to keep your charge up by plugging into a wall, or else you'll lose some Moolah (Chibi-Robo!'s in game currency). It's a charming game that has gained a cult following since its release. However it did not do very well financially-in fact, none of Chibi-Robo's adventures have hit it out of the park in terms of sales, or even gotten a single. Chibi-Robo has unfortunately not been able to stay afloat all these years. Poor guy.
So, if he doesn't sell well, why the hell should he be in Smash Ultimate 2? (Or whatever we end up calling it-we should do that sometime, decide on a name, it could be fun!)
Well, it could finally give Chibi-Robo a chance to be successful. The main reason his games haven't sold well is poor marketing or, in Zip-Lash's case, not being a good game. Of course your obscure, cult-classic Nintendo IP won't sell very well if its a Wal*Mart exclusive DS title. He's the perfect character to appeal to casual audiences-cutesy, simplistic both in appearance and in gameplay. Revealing him at E3 could gain a lot of traction for his series-and imagine if we announced the original game being ported to Switch during the E3 presentation, which would release later that day? That way, instead of breaking out Dolphin, Smash fans can buy the game themselves. This could give Chibi-Robo the second chance he deserves, his developers may come out of hiding to pick the series back up-and if they don't, Nintendo can pull a Mario Party 9 and make it themselves! (but like, good).

So, how would he play? Glad you asked!

I imagine he would have a gimmick of having to charge after a while. His battery life goes down with each attack (he loses more depending on how much damage the move does), but charging with Down B charges him back up. If he loses all his charge, his attacks will be weak and near useless.

As for his Up B, he could use the Chibi-Coptor item from the games, which would propel him up and have a hitbox at the top.

His Neutral B could be the Chibi-Blaster, which would be a laser shot that provides small hitstun and not much damage, but it goes really far and is relatively fast.

For his Side B, he could drive forward in the car from Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol. He can jump, speed up by holding forward, speed down by not pressing a direction, turn around by pressing back, and jump out with B or A.

Grabs
Up: Chibi-Robo does an uppercut and follows up by hitting the airbone opponent with his plug.
Down: Chibi-Robo throws his opponent on the ground and scrubs them with a toothbrush.
Forward: Chibi-Robo spins his opponent around like a lasso, before letting them go.
Backward: Chibi-Robo turns around and stabs his opponent with the prongs of his plug, zapping them away.

For his normals he could use household objects like mugs, silverware, a squirter, batteries, and the aforementioned toothbrush.

For his Final Smash, he brings out a vacuum from the game (it's the third item on this Wikipedia article and I don't know how to pronounce or type it, Venus please help). He can walk around with this, and anyone caught in range will be sucked up. When a few seconds pass, Chibi-Robo will throw down the vaccum, causing it to explode, and anyone caught in the vacuum will be launched far. If the Final Smash fails to suck up anyone, Chibi-Robo will let out a sad robot noise and hang his head in disappointment before returning to the action.
(I feel the need to say again that I have never ever played a Chibi-Robo game and if anyone want to suggest something I can fix, please let me know.)
Yep, that's why I think Chibi-Robo should be the first new character in the sequel to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
Developer Suggestion Character: Waluigi from Super Mario

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The funny lanky guy in purple himself if not, is probably one of the most requested characters for Smash as a fighter, he has been an Assist Trophy 3 times and not being a fighter for Ultimate was so controversial that it made headlines. He has a pretty big fanbase as well being a meme on the Internet. Back in 2018, Reggie himself was aware of the character's popularity. (Sorry if there wasn't much.)

As a fighter, he would be bit fast and nimble kinda like from the Mario/Sonic Olympic Games but easy to launch. His moveset would reference the sport, karting and party game spinoffs he has been in as well dancing. For example his Neutral Special would have him serve a tennis ball with his racket or maybe have his Side Special be like Wario's Bike but with the Waluigi Racer instead? The Final Smash would be his Wall-luigi from Mario Strikers which could work.

(I like the idea of him using his long limbs as well sport equipment to fight with, and dancing!)
Developer Suggestion Character: Ray Mk III from Custom Robo
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Though I have ideas for all sorts of 1st party characters, it was a bit difficult to think of one that matched all the current crieteria outside of the ones already mentioned. However, I think I've found one that fits.

Ray Mk III is the most recognizable character from the Custom Robo series. He appeared as an Assist Trophy in Brawl and, after a complete absence from Smash 4, was given a Mii Costume in Ultimate. For his play style, he'd be a small lightweight character with multiple zoning options and very impressive, unique mobility. Regarding his mobility, that would be what makes him stand out from other characters, and I think it could take some inspiration from mechanics of older characters that we haven't seen in newer characters for a very long time.
Finally, regarding popularity, although Custom Robo is fairly niche and hasn't seen a new game since 2006, it does have more titles to its name than some pre-exsisting series and its representation in Ultimate after its absence in 4 shows that there is at least enough demand to be given the Mii Costume treatment. Plus, having a more unusual character reveal at E3 alongside more well know characters would show how deep we'd be willing to go for the fans.

Also, Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom , I would like to join the developer partner list, if that's alright!
Character Suggestion: Saki from Sin and Punishment.
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Saki first appeared in Super Smash Bros Brawl and Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS, and while his Assist Trophy was notably absent in Smash Bros Ultimate, he instead received a Mii Costume. He is the protagonist of the first game of the Sin and Punishment franchise, and is the father to the main character of the sequel game Sin and Punishment: Star Successor. Sin and Punishment is a rail shooting game, and while Saki isn't too popular of a choice nowadays, he was relativly popular one back in the Brawl days, as the Brawl Dojo mentions several people requested his inclusion.

For his playstyle, I would see Saki as a lighter and faster character, relying on him using his Dolphin Gun for a projectile attack that could combo his opponents or use it with a stronger Melee attack that would have powerful knockback.
Seeing as how we don’t have any more submissions, I will include my second one but I will remove it if we get new submissions:

Nintendog & Nintencat (Nintendogs)


While we do have a dog (and duck) and a cat (fire cat) on the roster; including the Nintendog and Cat could bring in a character who is slow upon start-up but, once they get going, become powerful fighters who focus on speed and unorthodox attacks. This could include taking baths, squeaky toys, doghouses, and healing treats. Nintendogs have been a part of Smash since Brawl and, while the series hasn’t been touched in some time, it’s still a popular series with tons of fans around the world.
Character suggestion 1: Waluigi (Super Mario)
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For a character that was solely created to give Wario a doubles partner in Mario Tennis, Waluigi has really made a name for himself. Initially a commonplace on many "Worst Mario characters" lists, he has gained a massive cult following over the years, due to his zany personality, whacky design, and his status as a bit of a loser.

I think it'd be a bit of an understatement to consider Waluigi one of the most demanded first parties for Smash as of current. Dude had some notable support in Brawl and 4, but things really picked up for Ultimate when his Assist Trophy deconfirmation sent notable shockwaves around the net. I'd argue he's essentially become the new Ridley, purple coloration and all. Assuming this slot is gonna be a Ridley-style insanely popular first party, Waluigi was like the only choice that made sense to me.

As for how he'd play in Smash, I'd expect a wacky, awkward character to match his personality. He's also been described as a bit of a "cheater", maybe there's a way to implement that in somehow. When it comes to his moveset, perhaps he could represent the Mario spin-offs like Party, Kart, and the sports games, assuming this is where he's prominentally hailed from. Or perhaps his personality alone is enough to make an archetype?

Anyways, I'll do my echo choice once I get off work.
Character 1: Rex and Pyra from Xenoblade

Xenoblade is a large-ish new IP from Nintendo, and despite selling really well only has one character to represent the games. Why? Because Sakurai wanted Rex in, but couldn't due to time issues. Now that we have a sequel, it would be a perfect time to add the iconic duo.
And while there might be some complaints about another "anime sword fighter," Rex is generally wanted enough and well liked for more to not have a problem with it.

A way Rex and Pyra could work is that Rex does most the attacking, but Pyra does the Special attacks and on rare occasions assist with Rex during what he's doing. Rex and Pyra aren't Ice Climbers, they don't have separate health to make things confusing, Pyra can just sometimes up air when Rex up airs as an example.
Character 2: Ninten (Ness echo)
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I don't see Mother/Earthbound getting another full on unique character, but an echo that allows all 3 protagonists would be pretty cool. I haven't seen gameplay or know the plot of this game, but from what I heard he would have a teleport up special and slightly different moves all around.
This is a bit of a controversial Echo choice, because some people are 100% sure that echoes must be from the same series as their base character. I think it's really not a hard rule, just that most reasonable echoes come from the same series. There are only 2-3 exceptions… and here's one of them.

NEW ECHO FIGHTER: BLAZIKEN (11e)
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Blaziken is a third generation Pokémon, and the final evolution of the fire starter, Torchic. Blaziken is a very popular Pokemon - in the google poll, it was crowned the fifth most popular Pokemon from Hoenn, beating out titans like Mudkip. Metagross, and Deoxys. Speaking of Hoenn, we still don't have a character from the region, and while getting a fully unique character from the region might be asking a bit much, an Echo should be doable.

As for how Blaziken would work? Blaziken could acttually get away with being one of the least unique echoes, that's how good of a fit it is. Blaziken is a very fast Pokemon, and most of it's attacks use it's legs (but it does also use it's arms). That's also a pretty decent description of Captain Falcon (Blaziken's even doing the knee in it's Sugamori art!). That being said, there should be a few changes, mostly animation wise. Obviously the enter stage animation and Final Smash need to change, and Falcon Punch and F-Smash should be changed to kicks. Up Special should be swapped out for a completely different move, albeit one copied from another character: Sky Uppercut (reskinned Shoryuken)
Character 2:
Birdo (Yoshi Echo)


Birdo is a supporting character in the Super Mario series. She first appeared as a boss in Super Mario Bros 2, However she would go on to be portrayed as a hero rather than a villain, often being portrayed as Yoshi's love intrest. Because she was now Yoshi's love intrest she was given a redesign to make her look more like Yoshi, even having her own version of Yoshi eggs! Because of this she would fit perfectly as a Yoshi echo. Only thing that should be changed his her neutral special, as she lacks a tongue.
Character 2
Woah, who's that rad dude with the 'tude and the board?

It's FUNKY KONG!
Funky Kong hails from the totally righteous Donkey Kong series. He first appeared in the game Donkey Kong Country as a tubular NPC who ran Funky's Flights, which would let players travel anywhere they wanted to on the gnarly world map. He would keep selling bodacious items until 2018, where he became a playable character for the very first time in Donkey Kong Country Returns: Tropical Freeze!

How would he play? Glad you asked!
This epic member of the Kong family would play almost exactly like his best friend/possible younger brother Donkey Kong, due to their similar, awesomely muscular body types. However, Funky would come with one radical difference-for some moves, he'll shred on his surfboard or use it as a weapon.

Why should he be in Smash?
Well, first of all, he's a surfer, which is really cool. Second, outside of Dixie, he's really the last member of the DK Crew who should be added into Smash Bros. And finally, Funky is a fan favorite character who would make perfect sense as an echo of Donkey Kong, whose popularity was heavily bolstered by DKC Tropical Freeze's Switch port.
Ganon
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As we know from Skyward Sword, Ganon is the embodiment of evil that was influenced from the curse uttered by the Demise, a king of demons. His curse was such that it would follow the reincarnated the three forces: Link, Zelda, and Ganon throughout history. Ganondorf is one just aspect of my his evil which took human...errrr...Gerudo form. We have tons of amazing content from the 3D era of Zelda but nothing from its more 2D era. The one actually aspect we have in character form is Zelda’s A Link Between Two Worlds appearance.

Ganon as a character would be entirely appropriate for Smash given just how much impact this force of evil has had in the series. It’s driven much of the plot of the series and influenced the events in many of the games; most notably in Breath of the Wild with Calamity Ganon. This Ganon, however, would drawn from the original game, A Link in the Past, Link’s Awakening, Oracle series, Four Swords, and A Link Between Two Worlds.

Gameplay wise, he would be very unique with what I call a beast warlock. Ganon would be even larger than Bowser with a more upright posture and has extremely long range that rivals even Sephiroth thanks to his long limbs and his spear. All of his attacks hit hard and some have superarmor though he does have some start up lag. His spear and raw strength isn’t his only good points as he can utilize powerful arcane spells. This includes producing homing Blazing Bats, create an orb of lighting that shoots different directions, teleportation, mouth blasts, ground pounds, and transforming into a bat. while it’s enticing to also allow him to summon common Zelda enemies, that might be pushing it.
I’ll be joining in

Character 1: Lugia
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This Pokémon from the Johto region has some potential to be in Smash, and Lugia is one of the most popular Pokémon in that region. Lugia would also mark the second Legendary Pokémon to be in the game, after Mewtwo. Lugia would of course have it’s size reduced a bit, but if it can work for Ridley, it can work for Lugia.

Lugia can use some moves like Areoblast, Wind Gusts, Dragon Rush and Extrasensory.
Character 2: Dixie Kong




Dixie kong is perhaps one of the few characters heavily requested in the brawl days that still has yet to join the battle. Many will argue she deserves her own character spot, however with a similar build and similar abilities to diddy, echo fighter seems like it would fit dixie well. After all, she was going to play similar to him when she was considered for Brawl as diddys partner. Instead of the jetpack, she can use her hair to recover similar to DK's up b. There can be many aesthetic changes such as shooting bubble gum instead of peanuts alongside new taunts and idle and victory animations. Even though im partial to funky, dixie is far more iconic and deserves to finally get in after all this time.
WARNING: Wall of text

The original pure character candidate was going to go to Celica from Fire Emblem Gaiden and its remake, but for the sake of avoiding candidate redundancy, I instead went with...

Character 1: Scizor (Pokémon Gold and Silver)
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Scizor is a fairly popular Pokémon from Johto; so much so, it's popularity was even acknowledged in its trophy description from Melee. It's a Bug/Steel-type Pokémon (National Dex #212) with the hardness of steel; it gained a Mega Evolution in Generation 6. It uses its spot-marked claws as smaller heads to scare away predators; it can't fly very far with its small wings, but it can flap them at high speeds to regulate its body temperature. It evolves from Scyther when said Scyther is traded with a Metal Coat.

Scizor was a Poké Ball summon in Melee and reprised its role in Ultimate. And that bums me a little, because Scizor's a Pokémon I believe to be made for fighting games (an honor it would eventually earn in Pokkén Tournament). I genuinely believe that if the team behind Melee had at least some more time to work on entirely new fighters, we could've gotten it as our Johto rep instead of :ultpichu: (along with a certain schoolgirl detective instead of Dr. Mario but that's another story).
Intro: Scizor pops out of a Poké Ball

Stance/Idle 1: Scizor stands upright, occasionally clacking its pincers
Idle 2: Scizor does an X-pose with its pincers
Idle 3: Scizor stretches out and flaps its wings

Notable Palette Swaps:
  • Scizor (default)
  • Shiny Scizor (yellow-green)
  • Scyther (green)
  • Manga Scizor (grey/black)
  • Shiny Scizor from Orre (yellow/black)
  • Pinsir (brown/white)
  • Vikavolt (blue/yellow)
  • Genesect (purple)

Walk: Scizor floats along the ground almost motionlessly
Dash: Scizor dashes as it flutters
Damage: Scizor will turn its head, barely fazed
Jump: Scizor jumps high off the ground and uses its wings the second time, having slightly less height the than the first jump
Crouch: Scizor puts one of its pincers on the ground


Weapon of Choice: Scizor’s learnset as of Gen 8


Normal Attacks
Jab: Fury Swipes; Scizor slices twice (4%) then keeps slicing rapidly (1%-2%, small knockback)
Forward+A: Scratch; Scizor attacks with a pincer as it flutters along (3%, small knockback)
Down+A: Scizor kicks lightly along the ground (4%, small knockback)
Up+A: Slash; Scizor slashes in an upward 45o arc (6%, small knockback)

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Scizor swiftly spins around and slashes four times (8%, small knockback)
Air Forward+A: Scizor slashes downward (7%, small knockback)
Air Back + A: Steel WIng; Scizor flashes it wings behind itself (8%, OK knockback)
Air Up+A: Double Hit; Scizor slashes upwards twice (9%, OK knockback)
Air Down+A: Scizor falls downward, putting its legs together like a sword (11% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)

Dash Attack: Fury Swipes; Scizor rapidly slices the opponent five times with its pincers (10%, OK knockback)
Edge Attack: Wing Attack: Scizor rams the opponent with its wings as it climbs back up (6%, small knockback)
Get-Up Attack: U-Turn; Scizor hops back up with a backflip kick (7%, small knockback)

Smash Attacks
Forward+A: Bug Bite; Scizor violently snaps one of its pincers (22%, medium knockback)
Up+A: Fury Cutter; Scizor slashes upwards with both pincers (21%, medium knockback)
Down+A: Bug Buzz; Scizor emits a loud buzzing from its wings, creating a downward shockwave (19% with a meteor effect, medium knockback)

Grab Game
Grab: Scizor grabs the opponent with one of its pincers
Pummel: Scizor squeezes the opponent with one of its pincers (2%)
Forwards+Throw: False Swipe; Scizor throws the opponent with its pincer (9%, OK knockback)
Down+Throw: Take Down; Scizor slams the opponent on the ground with both of its pincers (13%, OK knockback)
Back+Throw: Reversal; Scizor throws the opponent behind itself (10%, OK knockback)
Up+Throw: Iron Head; Scizor tosses the opponent up, then headbutts them (15%, OK knockback)


Special Moves
B : Bullet Punch
; Scizor rapidly punches the opponent when B is held (4%-5%), finishing with a powerful punch when B is let go of (10%, OK knockback). the first part of the attack weakens the longer B is held down.
B + Forwards : X-Scissor; Scizor flashes forward and slashes the shape of an X, which can hit up to four opponents at once (15%, OK knockback).
B + Up : Aerial Ace; Scizor flutters high up, then furiously slashes multiple times as it moves forward (18%, medium knockback)
B + Down : Swords Dance; by holding B, Scizor summons two swords spinning around behind itself, which hit multiple times (5% each hit, small knockback). It then slashes with both pincers (15% each, OK knockback).

Final Smash: Mega X-Scissor; Scizor Mega Evolves into Mega Scizor, slashing furiously (20%) and finishing with an X-Scissor that covers nearly the entire stage (38%, devastating knockback)

Gimmick: N/A


Taunts
1: Scizor does an X-pose
2: Scizor puts its pincers next to its face, making it look like it has three heads
1+2: Scizor shuts each of its pincers


Winposes
1: Mega Scizor performs a Bullet Punch
2: Scizor hurls up a rock and breaks it
3: Scizor, floating a bit, comes down and raises one of its pincers in the air

Applause: Scizor folds its arms and disappointedly flaps its wings
Icon: The Pokémon series icon
Boxing Ring Title: The Unfazed Slicer
Star K.O.: Scizor lets out a harsh noise from its wings
Victory Music: https://youtu.be/m9_ozzyG3uo
Kirby Hat: Scizor’s wings

Classic Mode: Through the Fire and the Flames (faces opponents whose attacks use fire, its 4x type weakness)
Round 1: :ultken: on Suzaku Castle (Ken Stage Type A)
Round 2: :ultfalcon: on :porttown: (Fire Field (Brawl))
Round 3: :ultcharizard:on Kalos Pokémon League (Victory Road - Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire)
Round 4: :ultroy::ultrobin: on :castlesiege: (Edge of Adversity)
Round 5: :ultridley:on :norfair: (Vs. Ridley)
Round 6: :ultbowser: on Find Mii (King Bowser - Super Mario Bros. 3)
Final Round: Rathalos
I designed Scizor's moveset to be similar to its Pokkén playstyle while assuming it was introduced in Melee. It would be a character who rushes head-on into opponents, dealing a flurry of rapid and powerful blows.

My Echo candidate, on the other hand;

Character 2: Morgan (Fire Emblem Awakening)
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Morgan would be an Echo of Robin using some of their custom moves from Smash 4. They're part of the reason why I dropped Celica; people often see her as a potential Robin Echo, but she can't learn all of the same magic that Robin can. So for the position of 56ε, I felt like Robin's own child was a better fit.
Intro: Same as Robin’s

Stance/Idle 1: Same as Robin’s

Idle 2: Morgan stares at his/her book for a second.

Idle 3: Morgan holds up his/her sword to his/her face and closes his/her eyes


Notable Palette Swaps:

Male Morgan

  • Male (default)
  • Brady (Brown)
  • Owain (Yellow)
  • Gerome (Red)
  • Inigo (Blue)
  • Laurent (Black)

Female Morgan (alternate costume)
  • Female (default alt.)
  • Kjelle (Purple)
  • Cynthia (White)
  • Severa (Yellow)
  • Nah (Red)
  • Noire (Green)

Walk: Same as Robin’s
Jog: Same as Robin’s
Dash: Same as Robin’s
Damage: Same as Robin’s
Jump: Same as Robin’s
Crouch: Same as Robin’s


Weapon of Choice: Same as Robin’s

Normal Attack
Jab: Same as Robin’s
Forward+A: Same as Robin’s
Down+A: Same as Robin’s
Up+A: Same as Robin’s

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Same as Robin’s
Air Forward+A: Same as Robin’s
Air Back + A: Same as Robin’s
Air Up+A: Same as Robin’s
Air Down+A: Same as Robin’s

Dash Attack: Morgan jumps forward, swirling air around his/her sword and using it like a drill (14%, OK knockback)
Edge Attack: Same as Robin’s
Get-Up Attack: Same as Robin’s

Smash Attack
Forward+A: Same as Robin’s
Up+A: Morgan casts Elfire above his/her head (21%, medium knockback)
Down+A: Morgan jabs his/her sword on the ground and creates an electric shockwave (23%, medium knockback)

Grab Game
Grab: Same as Robin’s
Pummel: Same as Robin’s
Forwards+Throw: Morgan blows the target up with Fire (16%, OK knockback)
Down+Throw: Morgan casts Thunder on the target (15%, OK knockback)
Back+Throw: Same as Robin’s
Up+Throw: Same as Robin’s

Special Moves
B : Thunder+
; one of Robin’s custom moves from Smash 4 (5% for Thunder, small knockback; 13% for Elthunder, OK knockback; 16% for Arcthunder, OK knockback; 21% for Thoron, medium knockback)
B + Forwards : Fire Wall; one of Robin’s custom moves from Smash 4 (8%, OK knockback)
B + Up : Soaring Elwind; one of Robin’s custom moves from Smash 4 (14%, OK knockback)
B + Down : Flux; Morgan sends out an orb of darkness that can be controlled freely and hit targets multiple times (2%-4%; about 17% total, OK knockback)

Final Smash: Pair Up; “Time to even the odds!” Same as Robin’s, but Morgan summons an illusion of the opposite-gendered Morgan.

Gimmick: Same as Robin’s


Taunts
1: “Your flank’s exposed! (Male)/“Just as planned!” (Female) Morgan flips through their book.
2: “Have another! (Male)/ “Predictable...” (Female) Morgan cockily shakes their sword a little.
1+2: “Game over!” (Male)/ “This ends here!” (Female) Morgan holds their sword upwards while levitating their tome.

Winposes
  • 1: “One step at a time!” Morgan levitates their sword and tome.
    • 1a: “Don’t worry, I’m catching up.” (Vs. Robin or Chrom)
  • 2: “Hmph, amateur.” Morgan strikes a pose resembling M!Robin’s Ultimate render.
  • 3: “Now to focus on getting wiser!” Morgan sheathes their sword, sits on the ground, and reads their book.
    • 3a: “At least you weren’t a roach” (Vs. Lucina; male only)
    • 3b: “I…might’ve cheated a little.” (Vs. Lucina; female only)

Applause: Morgan claps their hand right in front of their face.
Icon: Fire Emblem series icon
Boxing Ring Title: Tactical Prodigy
Victory Music: https://youtu.be/4g3o60I2Lpw
Kirby Hat: Morgan’s hair (male or female)
As an Echo, Morgan would be mostly the same as Robin, but with completely different specials and other different attacks.
I think the addition of a fourth mii would be a waste of resources. That being said, we're well overdue for a real magic user, so...
NEW FIGHTER: KAMEK (YOSHI)
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Kamek is the main antagonist of the Yoshi's Island series, also making consistent appearances in other non-Yoshi Mario games, such as Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and Super Mario Party.

What would he do in Smash? Kamek would be the first true magic user in Smash, using his staff as a melee weapon for a few attacks, but mostly using it to cast spells. He could also be a "summoner", creating various enemies from Mario's history, and then buffing them how he sees fit (both abilities seen in NSMBW).
I'm probably gonna get some flack for this, but here goes:

Character 1
Edelgard von Hresvelg
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Now before you mention it, yes, she is "aNotHur Fiy Emblerm rep", but HEAR ME OUT. Edelgard's signature weapon is not a sword, but rather, an axe. For those not paying attention, axes are a bit underutilised in Smash. This would make her a slow yet powerful character to play as. Think Byleth, except the only weapon they can use is the axe.

As for why Edelgard? Well, like it or not, Fire Emblem is considered one of Nintendo's main franchises, with Three Houses being a massive success. With it, Edelgard has quickly become one of the most popular characters in the series, due to her complex nature and motives. I feel like if Three Houses were to get a second rep, it should be her.
Fighter 1: Impa

Not just any impa, but the impa design from Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity. People have been clamoring for an original Zelda newcomer for over a decade now, and Impa seems like the perfect fit. Imo the reason more Zelda newcomers haven't been added is because many only appear in one game despite being popular (Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Midna) and they may not be seen as important enough considering they are more one off characters. In the case of the current age of Zelda, the champions are all cool, but its hard to make a case to pick one over the other. With the new game recently released, Impa looks to meat the criteria perfectly for smash. Impa has appeared in some capacity in almost every mainline Zelda game, she would be another addition to the cast of female fighters, and most importantly her moves has immense potential. Many have thrown around the idea of her being a sheik echo, but I don't think that would work. Even though they are both ninja style fighters, impa plays very differently than sheik in her many appearances.

As far as what she would do, I picture a fusion of sheik and joker with a hint of greninja. She would of course use her dagger in normal attacks. I think the thing about her with the most potential is her ability to create phantom versions of herself. The potential is absolutely here for something awesome. Perhaps there can be a meter that depending on how full she can summon clones of herself. This would work like joker rebellion gauge and clouds limit break, where if the meters full she can summon four clones, if the meters half she can summon two, and if its only a quarter of the way full she would summon one. Every time a clone is summoned the meter completely empties. This would create an interesting dynamic, do you use the clones now or wait till you can get more? They could do less damage and can be swatted away with one hit for balancing reasons.

For anyone who's not sold I linked a video showcasing her moveset in the game below. I recommend checking it out as it really demonstrates how cool this character could be in smash.

My votes for Pokéball Pokémon

1: Cramorant
2: Snom/Frosmoth
3: Galatian Stunfisk

Also Fighter 2: Dark Bowser (14E)

Originating from Mario and Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story, Dark Bowser would be an Echo of Bowser. This will also be the first time he would be playable. Also he could be the first Mario and Luigi RPG series Rep.
Character 1

Ashley



Ashley is a character from the WarioWare franchise, She is a witch and can cast several spells along with her companion Red. Wario was separated into his own series and has yet to get a second character. Ashley has already made an appearance as an Assist and since Wario land is MIA Ashley seems like the next logical character

Ashley would be a caster and could even combine the frantic gameplay of WarioWare, Ashley's spells would also be a combination of more traditionally spells in a game (Fire, Thunder, Sleep) and more humorous spells that relate to WarioWare and even the greater Wario series as a whole.
Character 1

Krystal


Krystal | Nintendo | Fandom


Krystal is a character from the Star Fox series. She is a magical staff user and a telepath and would likely use these attacks in her moveset. She has been a major character in multiple entries in the Star Fox series, including Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, and Star Fox Command. She has made an appearance as an Assist Trophy in Ultimate and has been one of the most highly requested characters for the past several Smash games. She has also been one of the cameos on the Lylat Cruise stage.

She would be the first Star Fox representative with a completely unique moveset rather than as a clone or semiclone of a pre-existing Star Fox character. She would have a lot of potential for a fun character to play on the roster and would give us another magic user.
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Character 1 - Lyn
Lyn is the sole survivor of the Lorca tribe, a nomadic group of people from Sacae. The daughter of the princess of Caelin and the chieftain of the Lorca, Lyn lived a carefree life in Sacae until a gang of vicious bandits attacked. After defeating her bandits and building up a small army in the process, she would later ally with Elliwood and Hector to thwart a plot that would destabilize all of Elibe, and the entire world.

Outside of the setting, Lyn is a very popular character, especially in the West. She was the first Lord Western players saw beyond Marth and Roy in Melee, and won Fire Emblem Heroes' first Choose Your Legends poll (Through a technicality; If both Ike designs are counted together he edges her out by about a thousand votes. Still, first place females and seconds place total is pretty darn impressive).

Lyn would be the first "normal" katana user in Smash (Sephiroth is discounted from this status because Masamune is just so frickin' long and works differently than a normal katana as a result). She would focus on quick strikes to rack up damage, backed up by a unique quirk to her sword attacks: Endlag cutdown.
Usually her attacks have almost no startup lag but high endlag, but actually landing a hit decreases the endlag. This encourages Lyn to get up close to deal damage. This is notable because most swordfighters rely on spacing to some degree, making use of their long disjoints, so Lyn being a rushdown swordfighter helps her stand out against the crowd.
Character 1

Giovanni

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Giovanni is the leader of the criminal organization known as Team Rocket (and later Team Rainbow Rocket). Team Rocket is a powerful underground organization dedicated to capturing powerful and rare Pokémon to take over the world, by any means necessary. Besides being the boss of one of the greatest criminal empires of the Pokémon universe, Giovanni is also the Gym Leader of Viridian City’s Gym in the Kanto Region.

Giovanni would finally give Pokémon an official villain in Smash. Giovanni could represent the criminal organizations in the Pokémon games. Giovanni continues to be relevant and popular in the Pokémon universe with his continuing appearances in the main series, spin-offs, anime, etc. Giovanni could be given a shirtless alt from the anime.

Giovanni has a lot of potential with his moveset. He could use one, two, or three Pokémon. Giovanni could even go toe to toe in boxing gloves against the other fighters. For my main idea, Giovanni would definitely use at least some Pokémon in his moveset. I would say his Final Smash would be using his criminal organization and their Pokémon as backup (like from BrawlFan1’s Video).
Character 1
The papery, flat version of Mario that originates from the Paper Mario series, it's, well, Paper Mario! He's here to represent a genre of Mario that Smash has yet to cover, and is here by popular demand! But wait... he's not alone it seems...
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That's right, coming all the way from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, all of Mario's partners have come to join him in battle! Boasting a mechanic of swapping out partners to take advantage of new attacks and abilities, reminiscent of the first two Paper Mario games, and with plenty of other abilities, moves, and references sprinkled throughout the moveset, together they make...

Paper Mario & Pals!
Character 2 - Alph
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One of the three playable characters in Pikmin 3, it's Alph, head engineer of the S.S. Drake! Though he was previously an alternate costume for Olimar in Smash 4 and Ultimate, him being upgraded to Echo fighter status would allow Olimar's unique Pikmin-based gameplay to have a bit of a twist on it. Specifically, the Pikmin Alph could use would originate from Pikmin 3 - replacing Purple and White Pikmin for Winged and Rock Pikmin. Alph was actually set to be a clone of Olimar in Smash 4, but was relegated to a costume for time constraints... yet he's still a costume in Ultimate? For some reason? This would be a chance to make that idea a reality.
Thanks for adding me! I'll make a submission for Character 2.
Zeraora

Zeraora
would be an Echo Fighter of Lucario, with similarities between the two often being compared in the Pokémon fanbase. The main difference would be the lack of the Aura mechanic (much like how Marth and Roy's Echo Fighters, Lucina and Chrom, lack the sweetspots), with his attacks having an electric effect instead and damage based on Lucario's averages. Zeraora is a pure Electric type Pokémon, of which we have two already, but he seems different enough to warrant a spot in addition to being a Mythical Pokémon. He's also Alola's fifth most popular Pokémon. My ideas for his special moves would be variations of Lucario's from Smash 4, with Electric effects instead and renamed to go with it.
  • His Neutral Special, Electro Ball, would be a variant of Piercing Aura Sphere with electric effects instead.
  • His Side Special, Plasma Fists, would be like Advancing Force Palm , again with electric effects.
  • His Up Special would be Wild Charge, a variant of Extreme Speed Attack.
  • A variant of Stunning Double Team named simply Thunder Wave would be his Down Special and would probably remain intact.
  • A Cinematic Final Smash involving Z-Moves would probably make sense given his home region.
I can also picture him being somewhat faster. This would make him an Echo like Ken or Dark Pit, with several altered characteristics, which is better than ones that are virtually model swaps in my opinion. Thoughts?
Character 2

Hilda

Princess Hilda - Zelda Wiki


Hilda would be an echo fighter of Princess Zelda, who would presumably be based once again on her ALBW incarnation. She would use dark magic in her moveset, reflecting the same role she has in the game as Zelda's morally questionable counterpart. Her magic attacks would give off dark magic properties to differentiate herself from Zelda the same way Roy and Ken have extra flame properties in their attacks to differentiate themselves from Marth and Ryu, respectively. Instead of the Phantom, her Down B would summon Ravio instead, reflecting the relationship between the two in game. Ravio would then hit opponents with one of four attacks from four different weapons, a Fire Rod, an Ice Rod, a Sand Rod, or a Tornado Rod, that were available in ALBW as items. Her final Smash would be the inverted Lorulean Triforce of Wisdom.
Well then, here goes my candidate for the unique character.

Character #1: Dixie Kong



Dixie Kong needs no introduction. Partially because she's an iconic character from the Donkey Kong Country games, being the star of DKC3, the deuteragonist in DKC2 and a playable character in Tropical Freeze. And partially because... she was already suggested.

However, I'm in the camp that Dixie should be unique. I think she's too important for an Echo role, much like Isabelle. It's easy to forget but Donkey Kong Country was a huge deal back in its day and Dixie was one of its biggest stars. Also, to make her an Echo would miss out on tons of potential just because of their similar body shapes.

Unlike the other Kongs, Dixie would rely less on her arms and legs and more on using her ponytail to increase her reach in creative ways. Swipes, grabs, even stabs, there's plenty that she could do that's different not just from Diddy, but from every other character in Smash. If that's not enough for you, she could also use her guitar, or Animal Buddies, or shivers Kiddy Kong.

The reason I picked Dixie is that I think she's long overdue for Smash, and since we're making our own game we can fix the gaps in representation that Smash has missed. And if she were to be an Echo, well, I fear that she'd be stuck with that moveset forever and that would be kind of a waste. Donkey Kong is the franchise that made Nintendo; I think it warrants four unique characters.
Character #1
TINGLE

Tingle is a reoccurring character in the Zelda series so much so that he even has his own game starring him as the main character, one being a Balloon Fight knockoff, with the other two being an RPG with later title having a dating sim hybrid. It's mind boggling for sure as he's not that big of a deal in the Zelda lore.



His overall gimmick and design in Smash are all based on a combination of the gameplay from Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland and Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love which involved Rupees management, bodyguards, and "Love" meter.

His gameplay revolve around keeping the opponent away from him as much as possible as Tingle usually depicted as being somewhat of a coward and so he will pretty much rely on his trusty bodyguards to do his bidding and items across the Zelda series. But you're not doing that for free, as you needed Rupees to "hire" the bodyguard and "buy" the item. You can get the Rupees by dealing damage to the opponent or breaking things like crates and barrel, if the opponent is at low percentage you will get a somewhat hefty amount of Rupee out of them but the higher it gets the more Rupees you have to pay for each attack and even getting them is hard as they will only drop little by little.


This "Love" meter is an interesting mechanic, if you use down special a UI show up and shows a bunch of item that you could buy as a gift with the look of the UI being similar to Tingle's DSiWare app, Too Much Tingle Pack. The better the item the more expensive the cost as it will constantly cycle around several items each in different prices if you open and close it. After that you could use his neutral special that have Tingle throw a gift that buy earlier, if you hit them with it based on the quality it will apply debuff to them ranging from slow speed to low damage output but only for a certain amount of time, the lowest and cheapest item will give no effect.
Character #2: Medusa (Kid Icarus) 54e
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Once upon a time in Angel Land, there were two goddesses, who ruled the land together in peace. However, while the goddess of light Palutena, fostered humanity, the goddess of darkness Medusa despised them, to the point where she dried up their crops and petrified them. In a fit of rage, Palutena transformed her into a hideous cyclops and banished her.

Medusa was the original main villain of the Kid Icarus franchise would echo Palutena, reimplementing the custom moves that Palutena used in Smash 4. Plus, Smash Bros needs more villains, and there are very little things more villainous than a goddess of darkness.
Character #2: Black Shadow



Black Shadow is the sadistic main villain in the F-Zero series. Wanted across the galaxy, Black Shadow regularly enters F-Zero races with two goals in mind: causing accidents to sate his bloodlust, and killing his nemesis Captain Falcon before his adoring audience. He is a cold and manipulative mastermind and a racer to stay away from.

Black Shadow could be an Echo of Falcon himself, or of Ganondorf if he's still using his derivative moveset. Many have suggested that Ganondorf's current moveset (sword nonwithstanding) be offloaded to Black Shadow so that players who liked it can still play it and Ganondorf can get something more appropriate. I'm all for that! Or, if they were to coexist, Black Shadow could instead take the attributes of his F-Zero machine, the Black Bull. Since the Black Bull is incredibly fast and sturdy, that would translate to a rushdown powerhouse, who if played right would be nearly unstoppable - much like Black Bull is said to be incredibly hard to pilot yet a threat in the right hands. And I'd swap the Falcon Punch for something more appropriate, like a Bull Charge using his horns.

I picked Black Shadow because, as anyone familiar with F-Zero knows, he's a fantastic villain. He oozes evil and manages to throw evil laughs left and right yet still remain threatening. Also F-Zero's been in Smash since the beginning and Falcon looks lonely.

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Job 2

Eggplant Wizard
Arguably the most Iconic enemy from the Kid Icarus franchise, it has a fun ability not seen anywhere else.

It has a few different moves that all have the same effect. if your opponent is hit by their projectile they will become an Eggplant. Becoming an eggplant replaces the characters torso and/or head with an eggplant that prevents you from attacking, it can be removed by waiting it out, taking a bit of damage, losing a stock or having a teammate grab it off.

The Eggplant Wizard will fire Eggplant shaped projectiles in a few different ways

1. They will throw one projectile in a large arc

2. They will throw 2 projectiles in a straight line

3. They will lob a single projectile over the head of the nearest opponent

They will do all of this while occasionally walking or teleporting around the stage. It can be KO'd
Assist Trophy Developer Suggestion: Aegis from Persona 3
She's faster than Captain Falcon, somewhat light weight, can get knocked out, and can jump really high.
She can fire projectiles in every direction, following the current position of enemies. She can even summon her Persona, Athena, to do some attacks (like spear jabs).
The main gimmick with her being that after 3/4 of her time allowed assist trophying, the last half is used in Orgia Mode. This basically makes a faster and stronger Aegis all around.

As to why Aegis, it's a confirmed fact that Sakurai is a persona fan, and if this is indeed a sequel (it is) then now's the perfect time for him to add an assist trophy for Persona. Aegis should be it because she's popular, the only likable mascot character, and has enough of an arsenal to be a great assist.
The Medic (Team Fortress 2)
Basically, when you summon him, he does what he does in TF2: constantly heal whoever summoned him. How much he heals you depends on how close he is to you. Also, if you manage to keep him close you for an extended period of time, he'll give you some stat boosts, referencing the Uber state in TF2.

I went with Medic because, while I've never played TF2, I know the characters are a HUGE selling point, with the Medic being one of the more popular ones. However, while he does have SOME combat abilities, he's moreso meant to be a supporter. As such, I honestly think making him an AT would be more faithful to his character than making him playable. Though I know how people dislike ATs, so I can understand any pushback such a statement would recieve...
On another note, I want to instantly contribute to this thread by coming up with a concept for Assist Trophy which is going to be:
Prisoners of War
Metal Slug Series

Prisoners of War (or P.O.W for short) is a reoccurring supporting character in Metal Slug, a game made by SNK, you may remember this series because the music from the game were included as part of Terry's DLC and oddly enough it's the only SNK series that lack any physical representation to which influence this post. Essentially they appear in almost every Metal Slug game and come with different varieties but each of them have the same behavior: giving out items to the player if you hit them/freeing them. They're scattered throughout each stage with the most common being the prisoner variation that basically also act as an extra point everytime you free them.

now for the character that is going to be the Assist Trophy. Like I said before there is numerous variation of P.O.W.s but the ones that I'm going to focus on is Hyakutaro Ichimonji and Rumi Arikawa.
The reason why this Assist Trophy have 2 characters in it is a reference to how you encountering them on a specific portion of the level to which usually crowded by soldiers and NPCs as any Metal Slug would be. When spawning in there will be 3 prisoner tied up and will be scattered around the stage but didn't get affected by how big the stage and appear around you, they're a normal prisoner and just like in Metal Slug after freeing them they will give you item and buffs and in Smash they will drop items like Super Scope and Steel Diver to name a few and after that they will instantly disappear or run away until they vanished into thin air. But, there's a 50% chance that one of those prisoner is Hyakutaro (a legendary soldier disguised as a normal prisoner). His behavior will be different as instead of straight giving you an item he will instead roaming around the stage and at a certain moment or when hitting him he will charge up an energy attack (in the same vane as a hadoken) and releasing it in a burst which has chance broke the enemy's shield, this is similar to his appearance as Marco Rossi's Super in Neo Geo Coliseum.

Continuing from the AT summon there is a chance that Rumi will appear alongside 3 of those prisoner, instead being tied up she will instead wondering around the stage but, if you or the enemy get close to her she will run away and push everyone around if they are in her way which could be use as an edge guard. If you successfully free her she will drop food item and rarely a Heart Container, this is also to her behavior in the original Metal Slug game while her attack animation is from Metal Sligh Attack but her running away gimmick is original to Smash.
Assist Trophy Suggestion: Big the Cat (from Sonic the Hedgehog Series)
My idea is that Big the Cat will spawn on the stage to find Froggy. He walks around and constantly calls for Froggy to come out. When he is close to a fighter, Big the Cat will use his fishing pole to grab fighters. When Big’s fishing pole latches on to a fighter, he will shout Froggy’s name with joy and start to reel in his catch. Due to Big’s strength, the fighter will be reeled in at different speeds, depending on the fighter’s weight. During this reel time, you will start to take damage and other fighters can come in and try to get a KO. If Big successfully reels in a fighter, he will say, “Hey, your not Froggy!” and continue to look and reel in fighters, until it’s time to go.

Big the Cat should be included, because of his popularity. Big the Cat first appeared in Sonic Adventure and his popularity has grown more over time, even becoming a spirit in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Also, Sonic the Hedgehog doesn’t have a lot of representation compared to the other third parties, even though he has a huge impact on gaming. Having a Big the Cat assist trophy would give the Sonic series more representation.
Job #2: Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest)
First debuting in Dragon Quest VIII, Jessica is one of three companions that accompany Eight and King Trode in their effort to stop Dhoulmagus and rescue Trodain from his curse. Headstrong and witty yet somewhat blunt and snobbish, her motivation for joining the party is to avenge Alistar, her brother who fell at the hands of Dhoulmagus. Jessica is the team's main mage, specializing in fire and ice spells such as Frizz, Sizz, and Crack. She supplements her magical mayhem in combat with whips, knives, and her... uh... feminine charms. Jessica has become a fan favourite in home series and defining piece of Dragon Quest VIII's iconography, being playable in all entries of the Itadaki Street and Dragon Quest Heroes sub-series and having minor cameos in Dragon Quest IX and XI.

Fun fact: Eight's voice actor in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Yuki Kaji, is married to Jessica's voice actress, Ayana Taketatsu!

As an assist trophy, Jessica function similarly to the likes of Knuckles, Alucard, and Zero, being an offensive presence that travels around the stage and attacks opponents in direct combat. She'd be relatively quick on the ground but would travel a low distance when jumping to offset this. Much like many other aggressive assist trophies, players can attack Jessica to make her flinch and, after taking enough damage, K.O. her for an extra point in a free-for-all.

Jessica can let out one of four attacks:

Whiplash: Jessica lets out at the ground in front of her. This attack has the range of about Marth's F-Tilt, is somewhat slow, and deals a relatively low amount of damage, but it has reasonably high vertical knockback and deals significant damage to shields
  • Serpent's Bite: Jessica's whip transforms into a snake and is launched forward with impressive speed. Comparable to the Belmonts' F-Smash, albeit with slightly less range at the advantage of having a faster startup and dealing consistent damage throughout the entire strike.
    [*B]Sexy Beam[/B]: Jessica puts away her whip, puts her together to form a finger gun, and shoots a large, heart-shaped projectile at an opponent. While the projectile is somewhat slow-moving, it is powerful and will paralyze opponents upon contact.
  • [Kacrackle: Jessica's final attack before going away, she summons four icicles above her (two to her left and two to her right) and drops them down on her opponents. These projectiles move fast, deal high vertical knockback, and freeze upon impact. Thin characters can dodge this attack by standing between the icicles.[l
Assist Trophy suggestion-Bokoblin

Making their debut back in The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, these guys will just try and get in the way of Link's adventure. In BotW (which is where they take their Smash appearance), they'll fire bows, throw rocks, bunch, swing weapons of any size, and just generally use anything they can to attack Link-but in their free time, they sing, dance, sleep, cook, eat, hunt, hijack horses, and terrorize the locals.
In Smash, they'll spawn in groups of three from the Assist Trophy. One of them will have a club, one will have a bow and arrows, and the other will have a shield. They move independently but work as a team, and hitting one does damage to all of them. The clubbed one does the most damage and knockback, the archer can attack from a distance, and the shield user will protect his allies and fight with his bare hands if he needs to.

Bokoblins are easily one of the most recognizable Zelda enemies thanks to Breath of the Wild's popularity. While they aren't as recurring as their elder brothers, the Moblins, they are filled with twice as much pers
This sounds really fun, and I want a piece of this pie. So here's my contribution:

Job 2: Mad Scienstein
Mad Scienstein, originally known as Dr. Arewo Stein, has had an interesting history in Nintendo's game library. He first debuted in Kaeru no Tame ni Kane wa Naru, the same game Prince Sable is from. In the game, he's a researcher for an institute on Nantendou Island, providing the player with helpful items such as gloves that increase strength or a device that can control mammoths. Later on, he would go on to serve various roles in the Wario Land series. In Wario Land 3, he throws potions that can turn Wario into Invisible Wario, and in Wario Land 4, he is found researching the Golden Pyramid, and while he poses no harm, he can be damaged, picked up, and thrown like other enemies, which is used for solving puzzles.

As an Assist Trophy in Smash, Mad Scienstein would act as he does in Wario Land 4. He walks around the stage aimlessly with a magnifying glass, and initially he doesn't do anything to damage opponents. However, like Pyukumuku, he can be picked up like an item. He will curl into a ball when picked up, and will be as heavy to carry around as a Crate or Barrel. When thrown, he will roll and tumble around the stage, damaging foes he collides with, the damage scaling down with how slow he moves; think Ptooie. Additionally, while carrying Mad Scienstein, he will absorb any and all attacks from the front. Alternatively, Mad Scienstein can also be attacked to send him flying forward as a projectile like a Barrel or Rolling Crate. He disappears after a short time.

As for a reason for his inclusion, I think his history alone makes him an interesting case. He would represent the Wario series obviously, but having also debuted in the same game as Prince Sable? That'd be fun. Also, the Wario series is sorely lacking in representation on the Wario Land side of things, and he'd help balance things out with Ashley and (assuming they come back) Kat and Ana.
Assist Trophy: Jenna (Golden Sun)

Isaac's love interest and eventual wife is a new assist trophy. Her arsenal includes the pound and carry moves from the old assist trophy, though instead of move she performs Serpent Plume, which has similar knockback properties, while also dealing fire damage.
Assist Trophy Suggestion: Buzz Bomber from the Sonic the Hedgehog series
Buzz Bomber would be a pretty simplistic assist trophy, when spwaned, they would fly around the stage horizontally, shooting off small projectiles from their "stingers", they can also fly off the screen, if they do they fly out the other side a little bit higher.
If KO'd, they will explode and one of the animals from the Sonic series will pop out and quickly flee the stage

As for why they should be included, they are one of the most iconic enemies in the Sonic series, and their inclusion would give some love to the various robots in the series, an aspect that has been ignored even by spirits, and in the event Knuckles or Shadow are promoted the Buzz Bomber would be a suitable replacement, especially since they're not a character people want to see playable, meaning no one would be upset over their inclusion as an assist
Assist Trophy Suggestion: Futaba Sakura (Persona 5)
Being a supporting party member in her game, Futaba would support the fighter who summoned her, as well as that summoner's allies.

She would appear on the battlefield for a bit before summoning her Persona, Necronomicon. She would then use her ability Active Support to buff all of the summoner's (and allies') stats, as well as heal them bit by bit. Because she disappears right after summoning her Persona, she cannot be K.O.'d.

If she is summoned by :ultjoker: and he uses his Final Smash, the cutscene that plays would then transition to Futaba using her All-Out Attack from Persona 5 Royal where she drops a bomb that fizzles for a bit before exploding.
Balance Board (Wii Fit)
When summoned, the Balance Board will first just around greeting the fighters/player. The Balance Board cannot be damaged or knocked out, but it will then begin to stretch. This will work similar to Devil, but the stage will then be slanted at an angle to the direction of the balance board leaning to, and even effect the blast zone. However, unlike Devil, this will also impact the fighters. The fighters will slightly slide to the side that is lower. Fighters will not slide if they are A) buried, B) in the air or C) grabbing onto a ledge. A fighter will enter their teeter animation if they slide right next to the edge of a platform. The Balance Board wouldn't be able to spawn on certain stages such as Flat Zone X or Pac-Land, with special shout out to the Wii Fit Studio (since he is a background element).

But why the Balance Board? I was trying to think of something that was similar to previous Assist Trophies, without simply coping it. I noticed that while there were assists that blocked/zoomed/moved the screen, there was no assist that tilted it. And The Balance Board was one of the only ones I could think of.
Assist Trophy Suggestion: Creeper (Minecraft)
When summoned, the Creeper will walk around til it's near someone other than the person who summoned. After which, it will hiss, then explode. Be warned, despite not targeting them, the person who summoned it can still be harmed by the explosion.

Like most assists, it can be defeated with enough damage. That being said, don't try using electric based attacks on it, or it'll become a Charged Creeper. In this state, it'll be powered up with a much bigger and deadlier explosion upon detonation.

As for why Creeper specifically, I just think it's such an iconic video game enemy. Dare I say it, it's more synonymous with Minecraft than even Steve. This just feels like a no-brainer assist to me, a character that doesn't have priority and/or much to work off for a full fledged fighter, but notable enough that I think they should be represented in some form.
Assist Trophy Suggestion: Cranky Kong from Donkey Kong Country
Cranky Kong would act like this installment's new "joke assist", serving more or less the same purpose as Mr. Resetti in Brawl: he just sits back on his chair, filling up the screen rambling on and on about kids these days and all their newfangled technologies and the good old days where your main character was made up of a few pixels and your mission wasn't anything more than "get the girl".

I chose him because he's a beloved and recognizable character in the DK mythos, with the added bonus of filling in the shoes of a long-gone previous assist who had a unique and entertaining function

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I have ideas for new move inputs/categories, so can I present them here? If not now, when can I present them?
 

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The first phase will be suggesting a character following the Current Job: Add a Character who was Deconfirmed in Ultimate. Once we get 5-10 suggestions, we will proceed with voting in a poll which one will be included. After voting finishes and a winner is decided, we can start crafting how the character plays, Moveset, and other content. Once this job is finished, we will move into the next one.

It’ll be a bit rough from the start but I hope things work themselves out as we continue
 
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Developer Suggestion Character: Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western

Dillon, from the Dillon's Rolling Western series, has been assist trophiy'd twice (once in SM4SH, and again in Ultimate), for generally not being a popular character. But if he was given the chance, he could be an amazing fighter. He could be a defense-offensive character, with the main gimmick of his being his ability to place defense towers (after gaining money mid-battle?). He could also use his claws and roll up into a ball for movement. Also, he would be Smash's first cowboy.
As to why, his series is an underrated one, and is recent. If Dillon got into Smash bros, his series could be popular and likely to be saved as he's somewhat new and likely to be lingering a bit in Nintendo's mind. If he got in, we could get a new juggernaut of a series. He could also be the representative for the DS era, as none of the fighters series originated from the DS. Also, there are no tower defense characters in smash.

Edit... again... how many times have I edited this?: Welp, Issac won. But hey, I'm happy 4 other people voted for Dillon, I thought I was gonna be a solo voter. So that's neat.
 
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Does Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western count? (as in, do you think he has enough of a popularity [requirement 4] to be allowed)

I would like to suggest him if possible. He could have a unique gimmick around placing defense towers, plus he's an armadillo with a cowboy hat, what else do you want?
Certainly, could you add a bit more on how he could play and reasons for his inclusions? Why would he deserve a spot? This could help increase his overall votes.
 

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Developer Suggestion Character: Takamaru from The Mysterious Murasame Castle
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Takamaru has kept up a notable fan following in the Smash community for a long time now, especially in the Smash 4 days. His game is no longer Japan-exclusive since the last known time he was considered, acclaimed Japanese game devs have given it their blessing and expressed interest in a revival, and it's one of the few "dead" Nintendo IPs with the distinction of continuing to be given little nods outside of Smash to this day, indicating that they still have the character on their minds to some degree.

In terms of gameplay, Takamaru would bring with him a completely new character archetype: the samurai. Additionally, reflecting on his original game's nature of always being on the move and dodging enemy attacks, he would be a quick, nimble and responsive fighter, his repertoire also putting emphasis on projectiles such as shuriken, pinwheel knives and fireballs in addition to physical attacks with his katana.

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I was gonna suggest Excitebiker, but then I remembered he hasn't been an Assist Trophy since Brawl. Which means he could've totally been a fighter long ago Shall I wait until a job I have less trouble with?
 
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My suggestion-Chibi-Robo of the Chibi-Robo! series.

(Keep in mind I've never played a Chibi-Robo game in my life, but I've done my research and I'm a huge Scott The Woz fan, so I know a thing or two about this little guy).
Currently a Mii Costume in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Chibi-Robo debuted in 2005 in Japan, in the game Chibi-Robo! Plug into Adventure! It's a game where you, Chibi-Robo, are a little robot helper who goes around a family's house, performing cleaning and other various tasks. However, you'll have to keep your charge up by plugging into a wall, or else you'll lose some Moolah (Chibi-Robo!'s in game currency). It's a charming game that has gained a cult following since its release. However it did not do very well financially-in fact, none of Chibi-Robo's adventures have hit it out of the park in terms of sales, or even gotten a single. Chibi-Robo has unfortunately not been able to stay afloat all these years. Poor guy.
So, if he doesn't sell well, why the hell should he be in Smash Ultimate 2? (Or whatever we end up calling it-we should do that sometime, decide on a name, it could be fun!)
Well, it could finally give Chibi-Robo a chance to be successful. The main reason his games haven't sold well is poor marketing or, in Zip-Lash's case, not being a good game. Of course your obscure, cult-classic Nintendo IP won't sell very well if its a Wal*Mart exclusive DS title. He's the perfect character to appeal to casual audiences-cutesy, simplistic both in appearance and in gameplay. Revealing him at E3 could gain a lot of traction for his series-and imagine if we announced the original game being ported to Switch during the E3 presentation, which would release later that day? That way, instead of breaking out Dolphin, Smash fans can buy the game themselves. This could give Chibi-Robo the second chance he deserves, his developers may come out of hiding to pick the series back up-and if they don't, Nintendo can pull a Mario Party 9 and make it themselves! (but like, good).

So, how would he play? Glad you asked!

I imagine he would have a gimmick of having to charge after a while. His battery life goes down with each attack (he loses more depending on how much damage the move does), but charging with Down B charges him back up. If he loses all his charge, his attacks will be weak and near useless.

As for his Up B, he could use the Chibi-Coptor item from the games, which would propel him up and have a hitbox at the top.

His Neutral B could be the Chibi-Blaster, which would be a laser shot that provides small hitstun and not much damage, but it goes really far and is relatively fast.

For his Side B, he could drive forward in the car from Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol. He can jump, speed up by holding forward, speed down by not pressing a direction, turn around by pressing back, and jump out with B or A.

Grabs
Up: Chibi-Robo does an uppercut and follows up by hitting the airbone opponent with his plug.
Down: Chibi-Robo throws his opponent on the ground and scrubs them with a toothbrush.
Forward: Chibi-Robo spins his opponent around like a lasso, before letting them go.
Backward: Chibi-Robo turns around and stabs his opponent with the prongs of his plug, zapping them away.

For his normals he could use household objects like mugs, silverware, a squirter, batteries, and the aforementioned toothbrush.

For his Final Smash, he brings out a vacuum from the game (it's the third item on this Wikipedia article and I don't know how to pronounce or type it, Venus please help). He can walk around with this, and anyone caught in range will be sucked up. When a few seconds pass, Chibi-Robo will throw down the vaccum, causing it to explode, and anyone caught in the vacuum will be launched far. If the Final Smash fails to suck up anyone, Chibi-Robo will let out a sad robot noise and hang his head in disappointment before returning to the action.
(I feel the need to say again that I have never ever played a Chibi-Robo game and if anyone want to suggest something I can fix, please let me know.)
Yep, that's why I think Chibi-Robo should be the first new character in the sequel to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
 

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Developer Suggestion Character: Waluigi from Super Mario

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The funny lanky guy in purple himself if not, is probably one of the most requested characters for Smash as a fighter, he has been an Assist Trophy 3 times and not being a fighter for Ultimate was so controversial that it made headlines. He has a pretty big fanbase as well being a meme on the Internet. Back in 2018, Reggie himself was aware of the character's popularity. (Sorry if there wasn't much.)

As a fighter, he would be bit fast and nimble kinda like from the Mario/Sonic Olympic Games but easy to launch. His moveset would reference the sport, karting and party game spinoffs he has been in as well dancing. For example his Neutral Special would have him serve a tennis ball with his racket or maybe have his Side Special be like Wario's Bike but with the Waluigi Racer instead? The Final Smash would be his Wall-luigi from Mario Strikers which could work.

(I like the idea of him using his long limbs as well sport equipment to fight with, and dancing!)
 

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Developer Suggestion Character: Waluigi from Super Mario

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The funny lanky guy in purple himself if not, is probably one of the most requested characters for Smash as a fighter, he has been an Assist Trophy 3 times and not being a fighter for Ultimate was so controversial that it made headlines. He has a pretty big fanbase as well being a meme on the Internet. Back in 2018, Reggie himself was aware of the character's popularity. (Sorry if there wasn't much.)

As a fighter, he would be bit fast and nimble kinda like from the Mario/Sonic Olympic Games but easy to launch. His moveset would reference the sport, karting and party game spinoffs he has been in as well dancing. For example his Neutral Special would have him serve a tennis ball with his racket or maybe have his Side Special be like Wario's Bike but with the Waluigi Racer instead? The Final Smash would be his Wall-luigi from Mario Strikers which could work.

(I like the idea of him using his long limbs as well sport equipment to fight with, and dancing!)
Love the suggestion, but
Character must be from a yet to be represented 1st party franchise
so it can't be Waluigi or Zero, for example
 

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Great additions! Once we reach a certain threshold (10 max), we will close suggestions and move to voting which character to focus on. When this happens, I will give the guidelines for voting.

Love the suggestion, but

so it can't be Waluigi or Zero, for example
That is true. Mamboo07 Mamboo07 , this was done to give the game its first new series in the roster. That being said, perhaps you could provide some insight on how Waluigi could represent his own series (What this series would be and what sort of content could be included)? If so, then we could possibly allow Waluigi to be included.
 
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Great additions! Once we reach a certain threshold (10 max), we will close suggestions and move to voting which character to focus on. When this happens, I will give the guidelines for voting.



That is true. Mamboo07 Mamboo07 , this was done to give the game its first new series in the roster. That being said, perhaps you could provide some insight on how Waluigi could represent his own series (What this series would be and what sort of content could be included)? If so, then we could possibly allow Waluigi to be included.
There's not much... doesn't help that he's part of the Mario series which has lots of content.
(Maybe he could have Waluigi Pinball as his home stage?)
 

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There's not much... doesn't help that he's part of the Mario series which has lots of content.
(Maybe he could have Waluigi Pinball as his home stage?)
Understood. There will be plenty of chances to include Waluigi so let’s shelf that idea for later.

I’m sorry but I failed to mention this earlier. We are currently working through content would, hypothetically, will be shown at an E3 Nintendo Direct. While I have yet to decide, we will be including 3-5 characters for the trailer.
 

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Oh, btw.
become a Developer Partner by just pinging me using the @ mark when you post a Developer Suggestion and saying “I want to join” or something along those lines.
Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom I am interested in becoming a developer partner, I just want to ask if there's anything I have to do/maintain, or can I just be a developer partner and not really think about it?
 

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Oh, btw.

Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom I am interested in becoming a developer partner, I just want to ask if there's anything I have to do/maintain, or can I just be a developer partner and not really think about it?
Nope, nothing really. This was done to prioritize people who participate in the thread often rather a complete random person who comes in without actually participating. In the previous iteration, this was done through it being in User Groups but we can do it like that obviously.
 
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Nope, nothing really. This was done to prioritize people who participate in the thread often rather a complete random person who comes in without actually participating. In the previous iteration, this was done through it being in User Groups but we can do it like that obviously.
Okay, thanks. Can I be apart of the Developer Partner list?
 

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Developer Suggestion Character: Isaac from Golden
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Isaac continues to be a highly requested character since Brawl and his fanbase has continued to grow since then. While he was given the Assist Trophy treatment twice, it’s notable he was brought back into Ultimate after skipping Smash 4. In regards to his play style, he would be a defensive swordsman with many types of shielding and barrier techniques ques. He would use his Venus Psyenergy go deal devastating damage. We don’t have an entirely ground/earth/rock-based fighter yet as well.
 
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I'd like to be a Developer Partner as well-this is one of the few threads I'll be a regular in.
Oh, btw. You have to @ the person first as seen here
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You can become a Developer Partner by just pinging me using the @ mark when you post a Developer Suggestion and saying “I want to join” or something along those lines.
to become a developer partner.


Also, Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom is it possible to submit 2 character submissions?
 
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Suggestion: Cuphead from Cuphead

He was announced as a Mii Costume for the Mii Gunner when Byleth joined the game, he's a pretty popular and commonly requested character for Smash.
Cuphead can use different weapons from his game for his special attacks, being Peashooter probably the most iconic weapon from Cuphead, it's an obvious option for a Neutral Special, it would just be a projectile that goes straight forward and disappears after making contact with an opponent, wall, object or just after a certain amount of time if it doesnt hit anything, you can charge this attack and if you charge it long enough, he will shoot a Mega Blast instead, dealing more damage, you can also walk while charging Peashooter, but you can't cancel it, i actually don't have any other idea right now, but i hope this is enough.
 

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A new suggestion blows in. Bomberman from, get this, the Bomberman series!

please note Bomberman is not a 1st party character however I shall be leaving this here for later anyway


With roots tying back all the way to even the nes in 1985 Japan, the bomberman franchise is both a recognizable and long running with over forty different incarnations and spinoffs of the series (as thats where I stoped counting) being released over the years. The main series games themselves are maze-based, with our protagonist having to defeat enemies strategically using bombs he can generate from his hands. This would of course translate to Bomberman’s moveset where a setup could lead to explosive consequences for your opponent and bombastic results for you. With plenty of power ups spanning the series and even a fighting game appearance this wouldn’t nearly be the least of his capabilities however. The character as we know him has lead the series for over thirty years and with multiple Nintendo exclusives (the Bomberman 64s, Bomberman Hero, too many snes Super Bombermans, ware games etc.) he is something of an unofficial Nintendo all star akin to MegaMan. Currently rocking both an assist trophy and dlc mii costume.
 
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Developer Suggestion Character: Ray Mk III from Custom Robo
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Though I have ideas for all sorts of 1st party characters, it was a bit difficult to think of one that matched all the current crieteria outside of the ones already mentioned. However, I think I've found one that fits.

Ray Mk III is the most recognizable character from the Custom Robo series. He appeared as an Assist Trophy in Brawl and, after a complete absence from Smash 4, was given a Mii Costume in Ultimate. For his play style, he'd be a small lightweight character with multiple zoning options and very impressive, unique mobility. Regarding his mobility, that would be what makes him stand out from other characters, and I think it could take some inspiration from mechanics of older characters that we haven't seen in newer characters for a very long time.
Finally, regarding popularity, although Custom Robo is fairly niche and hasn't seen a new game since 2006, it does have more titles to its name than some pre-exsisting series and its representation in Ultimate after its absence in 4 shows that there is at least enough demand to be given the Mii Costume treatment. Plus, having a more unusual character reveal at E3 alongside more well know characters would show how deep we'd be willing to go for the fans.

Also, Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom , I would like to join the developer partner list, if that's alright!
 
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Suggestion: Cuphead from Cuphead

He was announced as a Mii Costume for the Mii Gunner when Byleth joined the game, he's a pretty popular and commonly requested character for Smash.
Cuphead can use different weapons from his game for his special attacks, being Peashooter probably the most iconic weapon from Cuphead, it's an obvious option for a Neutral Special, it would just be a projectile that goes straight forward and disappears after making contact with an opponent, wall, object or just after a certain amount of time if it doesnt hit anything, you can charge this attack and if you charge it long enough, he will shoot a Mega Blast instead, dealing more damage, you can also walk while charging Peashooter, but you can't cancel it, i actually don't have any other idea right now, but i hope this is enough.
A new suggestion blows in. Bomberman from, get this, the Bomberman series!

please note Bomberman is not a 1st party character however I shall be leaving this here for later anyway


With roots tying back all the way to even the nes in 1985 Japan, the bomberman franchise is both a recognizable and long running with over forty different incarnations and spinoffs of the series (as thats where I stoped counting) being released over the years. The main series games themselves are maze-based, with our protagonist having to defeat enemies strategically using bombs he can generate from his hands. This would of course translate to Bomberman’s moveset where a setup could lead to explosive consequences for your opponent and bombastic results for you. With plenty of power ups spanning the series and even a fighting game appearance this wouldn’t nearly be the least of his capabilities however. The character as we know him has lead the series for over thirty years and with multiple Nintendo exclusives (the Bomberman 64s, Bomberman Hero, too many snes Super Bombermans, ware games etc.) he is something of an unofficial Nintendo all star akin to MegaMan. Currently rocking both an assist trophy and dlc mii costume.
Sorry, at this time, only a first party character. But please keep this submission on hand


Oh, btw. You have to @ the person first as seen here

to become a developer partner.


Also, Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom is it possible to submit 2 character submissions?
For now, only one but if we need another submission, then perhaps we can allow it.
 
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Well, we have five more spots open for a new character. I will keep it open for 24 hours before closing submissions and going into the voting process. I’ll explain that process once we start but it shouldn’t be too hard to explain.
 

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Character Suggestion: Saki from Sin and Punishment.
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Saki first appeared in Super Smash Bros Brawl and Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS, and while his Assist Trophy was notably absent in Smash Bros Ultimate, he instead received a Mii Costume. He is the protagonist of the first game of the Sin and Punishment franchise, and is the father to the main character of the sequel game Sin and Punishment: Star Successor. Sin and Punishment is a rail shooting game, and while Saki isn't too popular of a choice nowadays, he was relativly popular one back in the Brawl days, as the Brawl Dojo mentions several people requested his inclusion.

For his playstyle, I would see Saki as a lighter and faster character, relying on him using his Dolphin Gun for a projectile attack that could combo his opponents or use it with a stronger Melee attack that would have powerful knockback.
 

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What I want from an Ultimate sequel is a port. There is no sense in starting from scratch and cutting some characters just to replace them with new ones: port, more characters, an Adventure mode similar to SSE, the return of trophies, target test and maybe some more modes. I sort of had an idea for a battle royale mode where a stage gets smaller... it obviously couldn't be 100 people at once though.
 

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What I want from an Ultimate sequel is a port. There is no sense in starting from scratch and cutting some characters just to replace them with new ones: port, more characters, an Adventure mode similar to SSE, the return of trophies, target test and maybe some more modes. I sort of had an idea for a battle royale mode where a stage gets smaller... it obviously couldn't be 100 people at once though.
There's no binary between reboot and port here. Ultimate itself was made recycling tons of assets from Smash Wii U. The next game should do the same while still adding onto the mechanics.
 

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What I want from an Ultimate sequel is a port. There is no sense in starting from scratch and cutting some characters just to replace them with new ones: port, more characters, an Adventure mode similar to SSE, the return of trophies, target test and maybe some more modes. I sort of had an idea for a battle royale mode where a stage gets smaller... it obviously couldn't be 100 people at once though.
That’s why I called it a “Smash Ultimate sequel” rather than an entirely new game. We are building upon Ultimate and adding further content as a sequel to it.
 

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Oh, btw. You have to @ the person first as seen here

to become a developer partner.


Also, Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom is it possible to submit 2 character submissions?
Seeing as how we didn’t get any more submissions, I will allow for a second submission. That being said. entirely new submissions by newcomers to this thread will be prioritized.
 

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Seeing as how we don’t have any more submissions, I will include my second one but I will remove it if we get new submissions:

Nintendog & Nintencat (Nintendogs)


While we do have a dog (and duck) and a cat (fire cat) on the roster; including the Nintendog and Cat could bring in a character who is slow upon start-up but, once they get going, become powerful fighters who focus on speed and unorthodox attacks. This could include taking baths, squeaky toys, doghouses, and healing treats. Nintendogs have been a part of Smash since Brawl and, while the series hasn’t been touched in some time, it’s still a popular series with tons of fans around the world.
 

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the first submission round had been completed! The current submissions are:
  1. Isaac from Golden Sun Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom
  2. Dillon from Dillon’s Rolling Western CheeseAnton CheeseAnton CheeseAnton CheeseAnton
  3. Takamaru from Mysterious Marusame Castle Speed Weed Speed Weed Speed Weed Speed Weed
  4. Chibi Robo from Chibi-Robo Janx_uwu Janx_uwu Janx_uwu Janx_uwu
  5. Ray MK II from Custom Robo WarioJim WarioJim WarioJim WarioJim
  6. Saki Amamiya from Sin & Punishment SmasherMaster SmasherMaster SmasherMaster SmasherMaster
  7. Nintendog/Nintencat from Nintendogs Venus of the Desert Bloom Venus of the Desert Bloom
Thus starts off our voting period! Anyone can vote for which character they want to see be included into the roster! You can vote for your submission as well.

Please pick three characters who you want to see be included. Each pick gets three points and the pick with the most points within a 24 hour’ush time frame is the winner.


Here are my picks:

1. Isaac from Golden Sun
2. Saki from Sin & Punishment
3. Takanari from Mysterious Castle Marusane
 
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