Top ten at Apex 2013 predictions.

[machinegungeek]

For Moose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK28iQTvPeY

 

[Van.]

I think this thread would be more fun if we argued about who has a better chance of beating Armada. Hbox and Mango have the best chance in my opinion. I have very little faith in dr. pp, but i would say he has the third best chance, he could do it

M2K and KK are the only other ones with signifigant chances, they both have decent outside shots

 

[Battlecow]

Very little faith in Dr. Peepee?

Dude did you see SRMG?

 

[KirbyKaze]

PP is the last person to beat Armada in a set >.>

Clearly he has the worst shot against him.

 

[Shroomed]

I think this thread would be more fun if we argued about who has a better chance of beating Armada. Hbox and Mango have the best chance in my opinion. I have very little faith in dr. pp, but i would say he has the third best chance, he could do it

M2K and KK are the only other ones with signifigant chances, they both have decent outside shots

I thought I didn't do too bad vs him =D

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think Hax has a shot vs Armada

 

[ShroudedOne]

If I said that I think that Armada is less invincible than Mango partly because he plays Peach, I might get a lot of negative remarks. But I think that has something to do with it.

In any case, I think that we are presupposing too much. Armada vs Mango GFs might not even happen, if players like PP, Hbox, M2K, KK, Shroomed, etc. step their game up.

EDIT: Sorry Kevin. D:

 

[Takeover1806]

I thought I didn't do too bad vs him =D

Yes, you have a shot of beating him too. Surprised your name is not even considered.

 

[boss8]

cause he's doc.....and doc sucks...

 

[Wake]

If I said that I think that Armada is less invincible than Mango partly because he plays Peach, I might get a lot of negative remarks. But I think that has something to do with it.

In any case, I think that we are presupposing too much. Armada vs Mango GFs might not even happen, if players like PP, Hbox, M2K, KK, Shroomed, etc. step their game up immensely.

I think it does too, actually.

 

[MaskedMarth]

I have very little faith in dr. pp, but i would say he has the third best chance, he could do it

Three of the last four sets Armada lost were to Dr. Peepee.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Pound V....Smasher's Reunion...and......?

I imagine I'm forgetting one, but I can't recall.

 

[Strong Badam]

he took two sets at pound 5.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Oh right. Cause he was in loser's. Silly me.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Subscribing

 

[Ryobeat]

This might be somewhat off topic, but someone should make an Apex 2013 Money Match Thread.

 

[Dr Peepee]

immensely?

LMAOOOOO I love these threads

 

[ShroudedOne]

immensely?

LMAOOOOO I love these threads

Oops. Originally, I was writing that for lesser players, but then I changed it and forgot to edit THAT. Don't hate me.

 

[JPOBS]

Mango pretty much will only lose to Armada. I don't even think anyone else is close

Armada could realistically lose to mango, hbox, PP, Shroomed, Hax, S2j, KK, M2k, in my opinion

 

[Blistering Speed]

Mango pretty much will only lose to Armada. I don't even think anyone else is close

Armada could realistically lose to mango, hbox, PP, Shroomed, Hax, S2j, KK, M2k, in my opinion

It's amazing how Armada manages to keep winning everything, despite this multitude of people he's likely to lose to.

 

[JPOBS]

It's amazing how Armada manages to keep winning everything, despite this multitude of people he's likely to lose to.

It's amazing how poor your reading comprhension is.

 

[The Star King]

PP has shown himself to be a greater threat to Mango than some of the fishier people on the "could beat Armada" list.

 

[MaskedMarth]

Mango pretty much will only lose to Armada. I don't even think anyone else is close

What about Bladewise? I don't see PP as out of the question either.

I do agree that Armada is more susceptible to other players than Mango is, though.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

why would he lose to bladewise

 

[MaskedMarth]

Because he did at Rule 6.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Was the match recorded or streamed at all? This is news to me (but cool news!)

 

[MaskedMarth]

I don't think it was recorded.

Mango had controller johns but his controller isn't guaranteed to be 100% at Apex either.

 

[Dark Hart]

Mango also pulled a pound3 at rule6, and like won the tournament after losing pointlessly first round

Edit: not to take away from bladewise

 

[Wake]

Let's not forget that PP also beat Mango in WFs at Impulse.

Also, let's not forget that Mango 2 stocked and then double 3 stocked Bladewise at a tourney after Rule 6.

 

[Juggleguy]

After seeing Mango's Falcon roll through some of the best Peaches in North America (VaNz, Vwins, Bladewise, Darkatma) these past few months, I'm now genuinely interested in seeing him bring out the Falcon against Armada.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

I think Peach is a perfect Falco counter so I don't see PP beating Armada :/

 

[Grim Tuesday]

universally agreed as even or close to even match-up
perfect counter

 

[Beat!]

Mango pretty much will only lose to Armada. I don't even think anyone else is close

Armada could realistically lose to mango, hbox, PP, Shroomed, Hax, S2j, KK, M2k, in my opinion

S2J has yet to even take a game from Armada, but he's still a realistic contender? What about all the people that have taken games (or even sets) from Mango? Armada, KK, Shroomed, BladeWise, PPU, Hbox, M2K, PP, Hax, Kels, Darkrain, Taj, and I've probably forgotten several others.

 

[Juushichi]

When's the last time S2J has played Armada?

I though PP had played you more often, KK. Sorry.

 

[Habefiet]

When's the last time S2J has played Armada?

I though PP had played you more often, KK. Sorry.

They've played in Round 2 of Winners like three times in a row, haven't they? I know they played at Apex, pretty sure they played at Genesis 2, might have even played before that. Kinda like how Kirbykaze keeps being on Mango's side of the bracket at big things.

 

[MaskedMarth]

Also, let's not forget that Mango 2 stocked and then double 3 stocked Bladewise at a tourney after Rule 6.

I think Mango is good at wrecking people who upset him once, like Kage and Taj. He still lost though, which means empirically he's not invincible enough to say "Mango pretty much will only lose to Armada. I don't even think anyone else is close."

 

[Strong Badam]

universally agreed as even or close to even match-up
perfect counter

It's a perspective thing. When a character goes even with the most bull**** character in the game, it's a big deal.

 

[JPOBS]

S2J has yet to even take a game from Armada, but he's still a realistic contender? What about all the people that have taken games (or even sets) from Mango? Armada, KK, Shroomed, BladeWise, PPU, Hbox, M2K, PP, Hax, Kels, Darkrain, Taj, and I've probably forgotten several others.

I'll give you PP and Armada, but I dont think I need to explain why none of those other guys are qualifiers honestly. This isn't a list of everyone who has ever beat armada or mango, its a list of people I think stand a chance at beating them at apex. I would even put leffen in my Armada list (ntsc), except that I dont think leffen would make it far enough to have a shot at armada in an american bracket, he'd probably get rolled by any number of other guys.

Then again, its really just my opinion. If you honestly think Bladewise and Kels etc are a realistic threat to mango, then whatever.

 

[Habefiet]

I think Mango is good at wrecking people who upset him once, like Kage and Taj. He still lost though, which means empirically he's not invincible enough to say "Mango pretty much will only lose to Armada. I don't even think anyone else is close."

...Okay yes Mango's really good at wrecking people who upset him once, but what's to keep him from getting upsetted again then by some new upset-maker? Armada doesn't wreck people who upset him once because he never gets upsetted. (would upsetted be the past tense of upset? Help me out here people) Everyone IS aware that he's dropped exactly two sets in over a year and a half, right? And that those losses were in Grand Finals to amazing players that he went on to beat?

I'll give Mango fanboys damn near everything they want--I'm a bit of one myself--but Armada is so consistent as to be ridiculous. Be honest, people who think Armada is "fragile" to some of these not-quite-god-tier-just-yet-players--you'd be surprised as **** if Armada actually lost to some of the people that you're listing. Remember that in over three years he's only dropped sets to five separate people, only two of him have ever taken a set again and who then lost to him at the end anyway.

My personal honest opinion is that Mango and Armada are roughly equivalent in skill and that if you took both of them at some indiscriminate point in time that they were both fully practiced and had them play five sets a day for a couple weeks, they'd come out almost exactly even at the end, and the two of them would beat everybody else by varying degrees. If they're both on point at Apex, they'll be in Grand Finals, and the winner will be whoever is slightly more clutch at that point in time.

My thoughts.

 

[Mew2King]

universally agreed as even or close to even match-up
perfect counter

for falco that is a perfect counter