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I understand your logic, but it's flawed. The Tier List is a tool, and is useful for people. We create it so that it can serve people who acknowledge it not as a pure, master, and ultimate tier list, but as a meterstick to judge the current metagame, which is relevant.
I disagree, and here's why.
...well...?
Yes, but I assume there is a point where everything about the metagame is known to where we can make a Final List. That is all. I am hoping people like the low tiers can get more representation since we still argue over things like Ness vs Lucas and Falcon vs Link.
Public transit ftw, I'm actually in NJ a lot when there's no school.
Yes, everyone should play Pit. Because he needs it.
I also agree.
There probably is no such point. Look at melee. The "final" tier list after 7+ years is already losing its relevance.
But public transportation is so expensive.... well I suppose everything is expensive when you have no job. >.>
No one likes pit.
Well they did that for Melee, and most people disregard a lot of stuff (such as Puff's placement) because it's already outdated.
That's why I love using under-repped characters. If I mained a character that a great number of people mained as well, I'd have no motivation to get better, as no matter what I do, I can never reach the level of people who have much better training resources than I do. I would never feel any personality with playing that character, because my playstyle would more likely than not, be a carbon-copy of someone who's far better than I am. Honestly, if it weren't for Ganondorf, I would have quit this competitive scene a long time ago, because what would the purpose of training if I don't have the proper resources to succeed in the top of the metagame?
That's not a very good reason to rep a low tier, Clai.
Which average person are you talking about? I can really only define people into two categories. The casual player and the competitive player. Casual has almost no chance of getting to the top. Competitive... almost everyone thinks they will reach the top, that's why they try to get better.
Which makes you wonder if the idea of a tier list is rather stupid xD
It not always the desire to make it to the top that drives most competitive players. Everyone has their own agenda when playing this game competitively, some happen to be similar (like reaching the top for instance), and some have other reasons. My initial reason for playing competitively is to establish myself as a well-known Peach player and/or the best Peach main out there. If I happen to land myself at the "top" of anything (a power ranking, region-wide skill, etc.) I'll consider that a bonus for my effort. Your point still stands, I just thought I'd specify on it more. :3
I've seen a lot of the well-known players around here play/practice in cliques before, during, or after tournaments. Watching the way they practice allowed me to realize something important: When one plays with another person who is extremely knowledgeable about their character or about the game in general, not only does the former learn about effective strategies/attacks to use in a given matchup, but they begin to develop their game around important fundamentals rather than a possible cut-n-dry average level playstyle, which can then help said player learn about the game to a point that they can adapt mid-match at a rate that would allow them to compete at a higher level then they could before. In the end...it all comes down to the speed at which someone can adapt and react to something; a trait that an opponent of equal or lower skill cannot help to develop as much as someone who will push a player beyond their limit.
Nah a tier list is still pretty necessary imo. lol
Its useful to get a quick glimpse at the current metagame.
Zelda is always at the right spot on these lists - taking Sheik's credit.
Pssssh. Having a move that gives you about 10 kill options when you need it, refreshes all of your moves, and gives you the opton of in-game counterpicking is fine with me.
Most people have friends/crews/access to large tournaments on a regular basis that they can utilize to get better. As I've been stating, experience with capable players is, far and away, the best way to improve in this game, and that's what I've been defining as the proper resources. Most of the time I don't have access to any of those resources (I have friends in Philadelphia, but opportunities to train with them are few and far in between), so I essentially have to go it alone (my house's Wifi sucks, so online is pretty much out of the question).
In Japan, there aren't as many of those unwinnable matchups. They ban CGs, for one thing, and they play more deliberately than we do. Ganon, by the way, does have a lot of potential if used outside of his bad matchups. He's not ALL bad.
lol, awesome.
I was just pointing out the differences between relative and absolute. Nearly impossible is a fact, absolutely impossible is a mentality. Even though I have secondaries to cover the stupid-to-the-point-where-it-isn't-fun matchups, I still battle 15-85 and 20-80 matchups because fighting with Ganon is just way too much fun to give up (and because Ganon gives me the best chance of winning)
We established that they didn't ban cgs..
Captain Falcon and Dittos.
By "bad" he means "utter garbage".
