The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0

[zeldspazz]

Zelda is where she is because...well she gets ***** by everyone. She doesnt have any approach options and shes always outcamped, her recovery sucks and shes just...bad O_O.

She doesnt get ***** by everyone. DDD, Pika, Iceclimbers, ROB, and Kirby are all pretty close to even or to her advantage, and Wario, Diddy, and Falco are all winnable. She gets beaten pretty badly by Snake and MK (which is why she is low tier) but then you have Sheik. Her recovery doesnt suck, obviously its not great with angle issues and large startup, but it gets her to the edge better than some, and you can recover onto the stage from above the stage, which is one thing a lot of recoveries cant. Her approaches are limited, but she can approach with nair, dash attack, and dtilt/ftilt (if she walks). None of these a great, but she does have some options, even they are below average.

But, she still sucks a bit, but I think shes deserve to stay in D tier (or whatever borderline low/mid is)

 

[Tien2500]

My first attempt at a tier list. Bear with me .

S Tier:
A Tier:
B Tier:
C Tier: :shiek:
D Tier:
E Tier:
F Tier:

Probably a fail tier list, but thats what I think.

I don't think Snake and Diddy are a whole tier above Falco/Wario. Having MK in his own Tier is fine but Falco and Wario don't belong in the same tier as G&W and Pika. And Dedede is debatably top of A or bottom of S. Yes he has a few counters but he shuts down about half the cast and except for Falco goes about even with the top tiers. Dedede can realistically go a tournament without running into a hard counter due to how top heavy a lot of tournaments are. Climbers are better than G&W. And Toon Link should probably be between Lucaio and Pit. Zelda should be the top of her tier. Other than that everything looks fine.

 

[*plague*]

Wario is not hard for Sheik to grab by the way, considering ftilt leads into grab setups. Her bair also outranges all of Warios aerials.

 

[Vermy]

Following Trends:
Vermy's Tier List

S:
Meta Knight
Snake
Diddy Kong
Wario
Falco
Ice Climbers

A:
Marth
King Dedede
Pikachu
Mr. Game & Watch
Olimar
Kirby

B:
Zero Suit Samus
ROB
Lucario
Toon Link
Pit
Peach

C:
Donkey Kong
Sheik
Luigi
Pokemon Trainer
Wolf
Fox

D:
Bowser
Sonic
Ness
Ike

E:
Mario
Zelda
Lucas
Yoshi

F:
Samus
Link
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf

 

[Browny]

DK is really REALLY good in this game and I just cant stand the sight of him being in mid tier. Whether his position is justified by his lack of tourney rep and major hard counters is irrelevant, he is just too good to not be high tier imo :/

 

[da K.I.D.]

I think he has too many glaring weaknesses to be high tier until somebody shows that he can be played like that.

 

[WindMajor]

S Tier:
Everyone Else Tier:



:shiek:




This is what I actually believe. lol

 

[TLMSheikant]

S Tier:
Everyone Else Tier:



:shiek:




This is what I actually believe. lol

U fail son. XD.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I think he has too many glaring weaknesses to be high tier until somebody shows that he can be played like that.

Like what? Get's infinited by King Dedede, and... that's it, actually.

 

[zeldspazz]

Like what? Get's infinited by King Dedede, and... that's it, actually.

Poor vertical recovery, large target, slow kill moves (does utilt kill?)

I could be wrong about the kill moves, but isnt bair/utilt for racking damage?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Poor vertical recovery, large target, slow kill moves (does utilt kill?)

I could be wrong about the kill moves, but isnt bair/utilt for racking damage?

He should never be recovering from below the stage to begin with. He's large, but living the longest in this game (with bucket bracking) makes up for that. His kill moves aren't slow, DSmash, FSmash, and USmash are all decently fast, and with that kind of kill power, those smashes are very good.

 

[zeldspazz]

The vertical recovery is a problem when he is being put under pressure while recovering, whether it be meteors or another aerials. If he gets meteored, hes not coming back. Fsmash is pretty slow, Usmash is pretty fast i suppose, Dsmash isnt terribly fast I dont think (Ill go look at the frame data).

Edit: K, I looked it up, Dsmash is faster than Usmash actually, so I suppose he does have good kill options.

 

[smashkng]

Wario is not hard for Sheik to grab by the way, considering ftilt leads into grab setups. Her bair also outranges all of Warios aerials.

All of Wario's aerials have poor horizontal range, but it's made up with his air speed, and Sheik has far slower air speed than Wario.

 

[Nanaki]

S Tier:
Everyone Else Tier:



:shiek:




This is what I actually believe. lol

I'm assuming you copy-pasted TLM's, as there's no R.O.B. in either list.

 

[TLMSheikant]

^ LOOL i forgot ROB...wow. >_>

 

[Narigo1]

This is what I think

SS Tier:
Meta Knight
Snake

S Tier:
Diddy
Wario
Falco
King Dedede
Marth

A Tier:
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Pikachu
Game & Watch
ROB
Kirby
Zero Suit Samus

B Tier:
Toon Link
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Peach
Pit

C Tier:
Luigi
Fox
Shiek
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic

D Tier:
Ike
Bowser
Ness
Zelda

E Tier:
Yoshi
Mario
Lucas
Samus
Jigglypuff

F Tier:
Captain Falcon
Link
Ganondorf

 

[nightmar3]

aww man pit is still in B

 

[WindMajor]

I'm assuming you copy-pasted TLM's, as there's no R.O.B. in either list.

Ugh... my bad if TLMSheikant forgot R.O.B. The point still stands.

 

[Deathcarter]

This is what I think

list

I actually like this list a lot. Biggest props go to Mr. G&W actually being below Pikachu and Olimar as well as DK being above Pit. The only thing I'd suggest would be Ice Climbers moving into the A tier and this list would be the best recent user created one imo.

 

[Dark.Pch]

This is what I think

SS Tier:
Meta Knight
Snake

S Tier:
Diddy
Wario
Falco
King Dedede
Marth

A Tier:
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Pikachu
Game & Watch
ROB
Kirby
Zero Suit Samus

B Tier:
Toon Link
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Peach
Pit

C Tier:
Luigi
Fox
Shiek
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic

D Tier:
Ike
Bowser
Ness
Zelda

E Tier:
Yoshi
Mario
Lucas
Samus
Jigglypuff

F Tier:
Captain Falcon
Link
Ganondorf

This is probably the most legit tier list I have ever seen. Also someone finally got where Peach should go above and under. Only thing I see screwed up is Falco is not better that link. I seriously don't get why people think this.

 

[infomon]

Only thing I see screwed up is Falco is not better that link. I seriously don't get why people think this.

10sillytypos

 

[CaliburChamp]

D. Peach: I hope you don't mean that you actually think Falco is not better than Link. I'd facepalm myself.

 

[Dark.Pch]

10sillytypos

Yea

D. Peach: I hope you don't mean that you actually think Falco is not better than Link. I'd facepalm myself.

Just because you are a meta player................Link>Falco

 

[zeldspazz]

This is what I think

SS Tier:
Meta Knight
Snake

S Tier:
Diddy
Wario
Falco
King Dedede
Marth

A Tier:
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Pikachu
Game & Watch
ROB
Kirby
Zero Suit Samus

B Tier:
Toon Link
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Peach
Pit

C Tier:
Luigi
Fox
Shiek
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic

D Tier:
Ike
Bowser
Ness
Zelda

E Tier:
Yoshi
Mario
Lucas
Samus
Jigglypuff

F Tier:
Captain Falcon
Link
Ganondorf

*jumps on bandwagon*

I like this list the most out of the other ones as well. Zelda is in D tier for once O.o All I'd do is raise Sheik and lower GaW and it looks good imo.

 

[LuigiKing]

Yea



Just because you are a meta player................Link>Falco

Did you just acknowledge your typo and make the same mistake again in the same post?

 

[lloDownedu74]

This is what I think

SS Tier:
Meta Knight
Snake

S Tier:
Diddy
Wario
Falco
King Dedede
Marth

A Tier:
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Pikachu
Game & Watch
ROB
Kirby
Zero Suit Samus

B Tier:
Toon Link
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Peach
Pit

C Tier:
Luigi
Fox
Shiek
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic

D Tier:
Ike
Bowser
Ness
Zelda

E Tier:
Yoshi
Mario
Lucas
Samus
Jigglypuff

F Tier:
Captain Falcon
Link
Ganondorf

Hooray, Jiggz is in E Tier =D

I like this list

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Did you just acknowledge your typo and make the same mistake again in the same post?

Whoosh

10char

 

[Dark.Pch]

Did you just acknowledge your typo and make the same mistake again in the same post?

Seems you obviously did not get what I was saying to that meta player.

 

[Laijin]

Why is Ice Climbers below all those characters? They have an infinite. Any smart player will always get in grabs no matter what and win even against the best character.
I think Metaknight should be below snake and a few other characters since he dies so fast.
Snake is too slow, why is he at the top? I think a Marth player who plays smart can outrange snake no matter what.
And why is Ike so low? That guy is super strong and can kill some weak character like metaknight super fast.

 

[Albert.]

Link should be higher because he's so hard to kill.

LOL

 

[adumbrodeus]

Why is Ice Climbers below all those characters? They have an infinite. Any smart player will always get in grabs no matter what and win even against the best character.

Lol, there's something called spacing, a lot of characters can avoid being grabbed period if they play smart, in those match-ups. Also, a lot of characters have an easy time separating ICs quickly, which results in the chaingrab being irrelevant.

I think Metaknight should be below snake and a few other characters since he dies so fast.

So, his melee outranges the entire cast, campy MK beats the entire cast except maybe ICs and he definitely has the best overall match-ups.

Also, he really doesn't die fast because uair is an amazing momentium cancel.

Snake is too slow, why is he at the top? I think a Marth player who plays smart can outrange snake no matter what.

Snake has the best stage control in the game and his tilts are broken, plus he lives forever, what more do you want?

He also beats marth.

And why is Ike so low? That guy is super strong and can kill some weak character like metaknight super fast.

Cause you can't actually HIT with his kill moves.

MK ***** him.



Your comments are LOL

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Lol, there's something called spacing, a lot of characters can avoid being grabbed period if they play smart, in those match-ups. Also, a lot of characters have an easy time separating ICs quickly, which results in the chaingrab being irrelevant.



So, his melee outranges the entire cast, campy MK beats the entire cast except maybe ICs and he definitely has the best overall match-ups.

Also, he really doesn't die fast because uair is an amazing momentium cancel.




Snake has the best stage control in the game and his tilts are broken, plus he lives forever, what more do you want?

He also beats marth.



Cause you can't actually HIT with his kill moves.

MK ***** him.



Your comments are LOL

I think he was being sarcastic.. for some reason.

 

[Clai]

I love it when people bring up questions about things that were debunked since May 2008, people need to keep up with the metagame before they ask such silly questions.

I like all the tier lists where Ganon and Jigglypuff are in different tiers. I hate Jigglypuff so much that I don't even want to be associated under the same league as Jigglypuff.

All these user-generated tier lists are nice, but I think that the metagame is going to continue to evolve and once we have a tier list like Naringo's as the current tier list, we'll be looking into how character X is going to jump or how character Y is going to drop. I certainly hope that we get more surprises like Sonic where the character's metagame skyrockets and it's reflected in raising 3-4 spots on the tier list.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Tornado is versatile enough to approach with tornado while your charging your spin dash,

Side B cancels into shield DURING a charge. Down B can be canceled into a vertical jump on frame 8.

What is your major malfunction?

or as your spin dashing towards me.

Apparently yo do not know how to read.
WHY WOULD I SPINDASH AT YOUR TORNADO!?

Let alone anyone in general, why would I willingly spindash at you when you are in a position to stop it?

Also you said you would side b cancel, but I would just d-air spam and tornado that strategy,

You tornado, I'll cancel into my shield and punish you for your idiocy.
You come trying to Dair spam, I cancel my side B by jumping up and Uairing you.
Or if you are attacking with the Dair directly. cancel into a shield and then Uair you for being dumb.

the constant pressure of attacking hitboxes would prevent Sonic from getting inside.

Then the solution is simple, I wait outside. I am MUCH faster than you in terms fof ground speed and you cannot force me to approach.

And I'm sure up+b won't get punished, I can just direct my glide in a safe area. And Sonic's grab range isn't big enough to shield grab MK's glide attack, with the right amount of spacing.

Well I am sure you are wrong.
For you see, I can run you know? And I am much faster as well.
Also, I dont need to shield your glide attack. I can Fair through it.

Ignorance is not bliss.
It is ignorance.

I find it silly that you start calling me

names when I start saying how terrible Sonic is.

hardly, I know Sonic is bad, I start calling you names when you bring up bad arguments period.
Or start being an idiot, like now.

And I'm well aware of Sonic's spin dash cancel, I founded it from when I mained Sonic in the beginning of brawl.

So what if you founded it? If you cannot understand the many applications, it does not matte
Big deal, I can discovery wave dashing, doesnt make me an expert, especially if I do not use it.

or in this case, use the character.

I also agree with Sonic's tier placing, low-mid. I'm just saying Sonic's spin dash cancels are not going to trick every opponent each time. Your the ignorant one.

Its you're not your and spin cancels are not meant to trick. They retain options.
If you cannot read my post do refrain from responding.

 

[Yonder]

Peer Pressure made me do it X(


S:
Meta Knight
Snake
(People really fail to realize that these two are indeed the top two best in the game, 95% it's never changing)
Wario
Diddy Kong



A:
Falco
Marth (I just...don't see any huge flaws in him)
Mr. Game & Watch
King Dedede (Overrated slightly, but still solid)
Ice Climbers (They are slightly overrated, and separating them isn't too hard)
Pikachu
Olimar


B:
Zero Suit Samus
ROB
Lucario (Untapped potentual here, Just play campy and hit and Run I guess...his counter's still lame though)
Toon Link
Kirby (Good, but just not great at anything)
Pit (Sorta similar to Kirby, good but not great in most things)
Donkey Kong (Infinited by one tourney common character...otherwise great character still with some situational moves...and a piss poor vertical recovery)
Peach

C:
Luigi
Wolf
Fox
Pokemon Trainer
Sheik (Better as a combo pair with Zelda for sure, can be low B tier when as a pair)


D:
Bowser
Mario
Sonic
Ness
Yoshi (Yoshi's pretty decent I feel, would of switched with Ness if I didn't see some really good Ness players recently)
Ike (Baaarley Over Zelda I say)
Zelda

E: (Lol)
Lucas

F:
Jigglypuff
Samus (I think her Zair and Ok aerial game + survivabilty is the reason why she's above Link)
Link
Captain Falcon

G tier
Ganondorf (He's crud crud crud)

 

[infomon]

I like all the tier lists where Ganon and Jigglypuff are in different tiers. I hate Jigglypuff so much that I don't even want to be associated under the same league as Jigglypuff.

bawww

did someone sing you to sleep and draw on your face?

 

[adumbrodeus]

bawww

did someone sing you to sleep and draw on your face?

Huh? Clai's too manly for that.


Clai doesn't sleep, he waits.

 

[Laijin]

Lol, there's something called spacing, a lot of characters can avoid being grabbed period if they play smart, in those match-ups. Also, a lot of characters have an easy time separating ICs quickly, which results in the chaingrab being irrelevant.

What are you talking about? Only a smart player can get grabs in like 95% of the time.

So, his melee outranges the entire cast, campy MK beats the entire cast except maybe ICs and he definitely has the best overall match-ups.

Campy MKs suck

Also, he really doesn't die fast because uair is an amazing momentium cancel.

Quit using fancy terms to try and make yourself look smarter bro. its not helping.

Snake has the best stage control in the game and his tilts are broken, plus he lives forever, what more do you want?

Snake is super slow. I already said that. Plus he is a real character while everyone else does not resemble a real human being. Who wants to play someone like that? So lame.

He also beats marth.

No he does'nt. A good Marth player won't lose to a snake player.

Cause you can't actually HIT with his kill moves.

Only bad players can't HIT other players.

MK ***** him.

The only reason hes this is because the players who play MK are the only good players who play this game. Everyone else just tends to suck with everyone.

Your comments are LOL

YOUR comments are ridiculous.

 

[CRASHiC]

erm, Laijin, a lot of things you say seem really out of date.
And I know you know what Momentum Canceling is, at least I would hope so.

 

[*plague*]

All of Wario's aerials have poor horizontal range, but it's made up with his air speed, and Sheik has far slower air speed than Wario.

I am aware of this, you said Wario "outprioritized" Sheik....I think that was you....if not i'm mistaken. Sheik also has little trouble dealing with Wario's air speed as she has the fastest double jump in the game and her ground speed enables her to keep up with Wario.