The Official BBR Tier List v4 -> Sonic's HA Stall is NOT beaten by spot dodge!!!!!!!!

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Falco takes mk where? FD? banned. SV? scrooge. BF? lolMKcanceleverything.
MK takes falco to rainbow, brinstar and frigate.

Planking destroys falco, even if done without perfection.

 

[Chuee]

Falco takes mk where? FD? banned. SV? scrooge.

And that is when I call the TO over.

Planking destroys falco, even if done without perfection.

LGL

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

LGL?
you dont have to be on the ledge all the time, only when falco is approaching.
scrooging is repeatedly going under the stage with mk, right? well, just do it once and dair camp a bit and then do it again after a while. OR JUST PLANK.

 

[Chuee]

LGL?
you dont have to be on the ledge all the time, only when falco is approaching.

What good would that do?
You can't time Falco out from that. He just has to back up and wait for mk to get off the ledge.
Oh, and going under the stage once every minute isn't scrooging.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

ofc you can time out falco from that.
you get a percentage lead and let falco shoot his laser stuff
you powershield all the lasers because they are amazingly predictable
wait till he comes closer
get on ledge
he realises he cant do anything and backs off
repeat

 

[Kitamerby]

I know the klaptrap jumps put inbetween the ledges, but if MK is under the stage does the klaptrap reach him?

Yup.
10yups

M2K lost a match to Bum in Melee because of it. :V

 

[Chuee]

you get a percentage lead and let falco shoot his laser stuff
you powershield all the lasers because they are amazingly predictable

Phantasm
10phantasms

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

A costly mixup.

 

[Chuee]

Then stop being predictable with it.

 

[8AngeL8]

^If MK stands right on the edge but stays onstage, how are you going to punish with Phantasm? If you are close enough to catch him with it, you'll SD off the edge. If you're far enough that you don't die, MK can shield and punish on reaction.

 

[Ussi]

Yup.
10yups

M2K lost a match to Bum in Melee because of it. :V

melee =/= brawl

I went and tested if MK can uair under the right platform of the stage and the klaptrap did not hit me. The klaptrap reaches under the stage but doesn't hit MK when he's barraging uairs under the platform.

 

[T.M.]

sometimes i take the tiers as a personal challenge. mostly because when ever i pick a new character after looking up a few guides, putting a week worth of practice in, i look up the character on the tier list. first it was link. at that time he was either last or in bottom tier. then after i got my *** handed to me with him to many times for it to be fun, i tried my best melee main : C. Fal. again, i put a week or 2 in, then look: VERY LAST AGAIN!!! now i'm on gannondorf, low and behold LAST FREAKIN TIER A-GAAAAN! so what do i say to myself ( as i've always said) "Tiers: a personal challenge, the smash gods saying 'Good sir: show me your moves please.' so now i'll be thunderstompin' my enimies straight to hell untill they come out with a new tier list and i coincidentally learn a new character, and it turns out to be last tier.

 

[humble]

Lol MK can aircamp onstage and Falco can't do anything, on the ledge its even worse. If there is a LGL, he can camp onstage/scrooge. Without a LGL, he can plank without any fear at all.

Frankly, the few stages Falco is better on MK can ban, and MK is better on all the other stages, and even on Falco's best stages MK can still gay him out easy.

But it could be a 50:50 if they weren't playing to win. :V

 

[Z'zgashi]

^If MK stands right on the edge but stays onstage, how are you going to punish with Phantasm? If you are close enough to catch him with it, you'll SD off the edge. If you're far enough that you don't die, MK can shield and punish on reaction.

If he does this just camp and force him to approach

 

[8AngeL8]

Shielding lasers and air planking/camping takes care of that. I'm not saying it's unwinnable, because Falco can definitely take MK down when played well, but it's in no way in Falco's favor if the MK is willing to be lame about it.

 

[Z'zgashi]

But if falco lands just enough to give a lead, mk will have to approach or else it's game

 

[8AngeL8]

True, and thats why its 55-45 or 60-40, not 100-0.

 

[2-DJeff]

Lol MK can aircamp onstage and Falco can't do anything, on the ledge its even worse. If there is a LGL, he can camp onstage/scrooge. Without a LGL, he can plank without any fear at all.

Frankly, the few stages Falco is better on MK can ban, and MK is better on all the other stages, and even on Falco's best stages MK can still gay him out easy.

But it could be a 50:50 if they weren't playing to win. :V

if used right laser can stop air camping sumtimes

 

[<π]

lazer can do anything!! If used right.

 

[Razek]

go to bed <3

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Position yourself close to the edge, an aerial phantasm would require careful precision and would thus be extremely predictable, if he does it grounded it's so laggy and you end up so close to the edge that the risk/reward is insane :/

 

[MidnightAsaph]

I think Wolf needs a couple spots up. Maybe bottom of B, top of C though. As his main, I feel biased to give him more, but I honestly don't feel like you can't expect anything from Wolf other than a lot of back airs.

Wolf really needs a good player for once.

 

[Purple]

You should be a good wolf player, then wolf can be considered for being moved up. All I heard from your statement was

"I'm biased to wolf and we have no good wolf players, therefore Wolf should be moved up". No harm in saying that, just get better with wolf and I'm sure it'll be considered

 

[MidnightAsaph]

You should be a good wolf player, then wolf can be considered for being moved up. All I heard from your statement was

"I'm biased to wolf and we have no good wolf players, therefore Wolf should be moved up". No harm in saying that, just get better with wolf and I'm sure it'll be considered

lmao No!

My post sucked, I guess. I meant that I felt conflicted with how far he should go up, if much at all. I feel like he can be taken far, but I keep reminding myself that all he has is a lot of back airs.

And don't worry, I plan to be that player, but I need to get me teh moneyz first. And a car.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Wario is the second best character in this game. Ask if you want to know why.

 

[Purple]

Why .

 

[DaomarIsBear]

Wario is the second best character in this game. Ask if you want to know why.

Why is Wario the second best character in the game?

edit- ^ninja'd

 

[humble]

PT needs to drop, I wanna play in more low tier tourneys. D:

plus forced switching to horribad chars and fatigue **** him so much more than people realize. If it weren't for players like Typh and Reflex, people would realize he's low tier lol. Silly outliers, trix are for hightier!

 

[humble]

Snacks are overrated, IMO war-e-o is 2gud, he can airdodge and doesn't afraid of anything.

Nah, Wario should move back closer to 4th/5th, but not 2nd/3rd. Personally I'd say he could be either above of below falco, but that's about where he should be.

EDIT: sorry double post.

 

[Yikarur]

Snacks aren't overrated, what elese would you eat to an exciting film or in the meantime when you have nothing to do? Snacks for Top Tier!

 

[Blacknight99923]

I think metaknight is top tier

 

[Z'zgashi]

Nah, mk is bottom, even ganon is better

 

[Chuee]

MK is bad and you should feel bad for using him.

 

[Z'zgashi]

MK is bad and you should feel bad for using him.

That's why i dont

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

Ganon is only high tier on wi-fi, because he's 2gud there.
Also, what's with this claim of Wario being the second best?

 

[smashkng]

Ganondorf isn't better online, it makes Chain Choking more difficult and he needs the powershielding to punish out of shield and deal better with projectiles.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Ganon is better online just he's not high tier

 

[Ganonsburg]

Haha, he's not even that much better; he's still worst in the game on wifi.

 

[Z'zgashi]

His uair and over smash are insane to dodge in wifi, but regardless he's still low, NOT the worst. That would probably be ivysaur...

 

[Kofu]

Ivysaur is better than Ganon for sure Z
Much better range, speed, and a recovery that isn't AUTO DIE