The Official BBR Tier List v4 -> Sonic's HA Stall is NOT beaten by spot dodge!!!!!!!!

[Z'zgashi]

Zelda/Sheik are seperate because you can choose to switch between them, or not, so it's not mandatory. Pokemon Trainer however is different because you HAVE to change after each death

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Zelda/Sheik are seperate because you can choose to switch between them, or not, so it's not mandatory. Pokemon Trainer however is different because you HAVE to change after each death

I suppose it's their screen time, then, rather than how much use they get.

Oh well. I still think they should be treated as a single entity, myself...Though I suppose that would suggest that Samus should be much higher because of her ability to turn into Zero Suit, which I don't agree with, so I need to figure out what I feel is right.

Ignore that, heh.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Well samus can go into ZSS, but not the other way around (unless smashballs are on )

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I still can't understand why anyone would want to use Zelda over Shiek even if you're having KO issues

Zelda is just an appauling character thats just begging to be timed out
Get the lead and then laugh as she attempts to do stuff with Din's Fire, awful aerials and all her other punishable attacks

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Everyone in here is throwing around their own opinions on the tier list, so I will too.

Metaknight’s Tire:

S: Metaknight

High Tier:
A: Diddy (Yeah, I said it.), Snake, Ice Climbers, Falco, Marth
B: Pikachu, Dedede, Lucario, G&W, Olimar

Mid Tier:
C: Wario, ZSS, Toon Link, Pit, ROB, Kirby
D: Luigi, Peach, Wolf, Sheik, DK
E: Pokemon Trainer, Fox, Sonic, Bowser

YOU’LL GET KNOW SYMPATHY FROM ME! Tier:

Ike and Ness

Low Tier:
F: Lucas, Yoshi, Mario, Jigglypuff, Link, Samus
G: Falcon, Ganondorf, Zelda

Also on the subject of Zelda and Sheik being combined, that would be a great idea. Zelda/Sheik is almost universally recognised as better that if either of them go solo. Someone mentioned about the negative hype train, and I agree with them.

People keep mentioning the defunct argument of “BUTT HOW WILL U TRANSFORM SAFELY?!”

Umm. Idk. Like, use a move not named ftilt? lol

Buuuuuut, yeah. It would be even better if you had them combined and separate on the tier list because not everyone wants to use Zelda and Sheik together because they’re stupid enough to believe that Sheik/Zelda < Sheik solo.

While I think Zelda is the worst character in the game, you only need to play really defensively with her to kill people. Just wait for someone to make a mistake and punish accordingly with D-smash/U-smash or something. >_____>

She kinda manages to kill people without trying actually, because some of her moves are just that damn strong (in power. Not speed. If you read it that way, go kill yourself.).

ALSO.

Ike and Ness, imo, are too strong for low tier tournaments. Thus my personalised borderline tier.

I still can't understand why anyone would want to use Zelda over Shiek even if you're having KO issues

Zelda is just an appauling character thats just begging to be timed out
Get the lead and then laugh as she attempts to do stuff with Din's Fire, awful aerials and all her other punishable attacks

Zelda might be bad, but so is Link and Ganon. But if they can win, surely Zelda can.

Also, her Din's Fire, while bad, has its uses.

Autocancelled nair is okay too. Shame it doesn't have hitboxes at her feet though.

But yeah. Zelda/Sheik > either of them going solo.

Edit:

That's all my opinion. plz don't argue wif meh.

 

[Shaya]

It's only been 3 and a half months since the last tier list people

 

[KuroganeHammer]

It's only been 3 and a half months since the last tier list people

We don't care.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I didn't know fsmash would hit, but dsmash can be easily teched while ducking

Also. you can't duck under Dtilt, which will make snake flinch, letting him be hittable with pretty much any of her kill moves. If zelda buffers into one, chances are it's hitting if she connected w/ dtilt.

 

[Damage Points]

@aerodrome

lol that's a funny tier list. Wario in C??? He's definately bottom A or top of B. He has a lot of decent matchups agaisnt most of the characters you put above him. Plus the fact you have olimar above Wario shows me you know nothing about the game. That is all.

 

[hichez50]

Everyone in here is throwing around their own opinions on the tier list, so I will too.

Metaknight’s Tire:

S: Metaknight

High Tier:
A: Diddy (Yeah, I said it.), Snake, Ice Climbers, Falco, Marth
B: Pikachu, Dedede, Lucario, G&W, Olimar

Mid Tier:
C: Wario, ZSS, Toon Link, Pit, ROB, Kirby
D: Luigi, Peach, Wolf, Sheik, DK
E: Pokemon Trainer, Fox, Sonic, Bowser

YOU’LL GET KNOW SYMPATHY FROM ME! Tier:

Ike and Ness

Low Tier:
F: Lucas, Yoshi, Mario, Jigglypuff, Link, Samus
G: Falcon, Ganondorf, Zelda

Why is jigglypuff so high? Her tournements results are abysmal and I never see too much come out of her. Zelda is bad but still better than ganon. Bowser is too high. I honestly can't name any good current bowser players.
Maybe you need to have reasons because high tier characters are just as f'd up. Just because you lose to GAW doesn't make him good. GAW has a very linear metagame it works but just gets ***** by a couple characters.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

@aerodrome

lol that's a funny tier list. Wario in C??? He's definately bottom A or top of B. He has a lot of decent matchups agaisnt most of the characters you put above him. Plus the back you have olimar above Wario shows me you know nothing about the game. That is all.

Why is jigglypuff so high? Her tournements results are abysmal and I never see too much come out of her. Zelda is bad but still better than ganon. Bowser is too high. I honestly can't name any good current bowser players.
Maybe you need to have reasons because high tier characters are just as f'd up. Just because you lose to GAW doesn't make him good. GAW has a very linear metagame it works but just gets ***** by a couple characters.

That's all my opinion. plz don't argue wif meh.

lrn2read

10lols

 

[Conviction]

lrn2read

10lols

Lrn2forum

Don't post something that will get responses like that then.

LOL@ Wario C Tier, Fox not around Wolf and worse than PKM Trainer, and no one is worse than Ganon.

What are your reasonings for your list? Is that you don't want to argue cause you don't have legit reasonings or just some excuse for a bias?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's only been 3 and a half months since the last tier list people

How is time an indicator of the change in metagame?

 

[Dark 3nergy]

It's only been 3 and a half months since the last tier list people

and it'll only continue to get worse!!!

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Everyone in here is throwing around their own opinions on the tier list, so I will too.

Metaknight’s Tire:

S: Metaknight

High Tier:
A: Diddy (Yeah, I said it.), Snake, Ice Climbers, Falco, Marth
B: Pikachu, Dedede, Lucario, G&W, Olimar

Mid Tier:
C: Wario, ZSS, Toon Link, Pit, ROB, Kirby
D: Luigi, Peach, Wolf, Sheik, DK
E: Pokemon Trainer, Fox, Sonic, Bowser

YOU’LL GET KNOW SYMPATHY FROM ME! Tier:

Ike and Ness

Low Tier:
F: Lucas, Yoshi, Mario, Jigglypuff, Link, Samus
G: Falcon, Ganondorf, Zelda

Also on the subject of Zelda and Sheik being combined, that would be a great idea. Zelda/Sheik is almost universally recognised as better that if either of them go solo. Someone mentioned about the negative hype train, and I agree with them.

People keep mentioning the defunct argument of “BUTT HOW WILL U TRANSFORM SAFELY?!”

Umm. Idk. Like, use a move not named ftilt? lol

Buuuuuut, yeah. It would be even better if you had them combined and separate on the tier list because not everyone wants to use Zelda and Sheik together because they’re stupid enough to believe that Sheik/Zelda < Sheik solo.

While I think Zelda is the worst character in the game, you only need to play really defensively with her to kill people. Just wait for someone to make a mistake and punish accordingly with D-smash/U-smash or something. >_____>

She kinda manages to kill people without trying actually, because some of her moves are just that damn strong (in power. Not speed. If you read it that way, go kill yourself.).

ALSO.

Ike and Ness, imo, are too strong for low tier tournaments. Thus my personalised borderline tier.




Zelda might be bad, but so is Link and Ganon. But if they can win, surely Zelda can.

Also, her Din's Fire, while bad, has its uses.

Autocancelled nair is okay too. Shame it doesn't have hitboxes at her feet though.

But yeah. Zelda/Sheik > either of them going solo.

Edit:

That's all my opinion. plz don't argue wif meh.

I'd tell you how I really feel about your tier list but I don't want to get banned. I'll just tell you this quit while you're behind.

 

[Purple]

Hey AlmostLegendary, how do you feel being in the BBR?

 

[Z'zgashi]

The other problem i have with Zelda/Sheik together is that sheik would be allowed in lt's because there's no way they'd make it out of low tier...

 

[Kitamerby]

If you're not aware, it is possible to play as a single Pokémon, as fatigue is multiplied by 0.3x when a Pokémon is KO'd. I should do it one time just to be silly.

It is not possible to play as a single pokemon in a 3 stock match unless you handicap yourself to only one stock. You are forced to switch whenever you lose a stock, which is the core mechanic that separates them from Zelda/Sheik.

 

[Z'zgashi]

It is not possible to play as a single pokemon in a 3 stock match unless you handicap yourself to only one stock. You are forced to switch whenever you lose a stock, which is the core mechanic that separates them from Zelda/Sheik.

Yes, this is what i was trying to say

 

[Purple]

It is not possible to play as a single pokemon in a 3 stock match unless you handicap yourself to only one stock. You are forced to switch whenever you lose a stock, which is the core mechanic that separates them from Zelda/Sheik.

tl;dr you are forced to take a nice hefty f-smash once maybe even twice if you want to play squirtle an entire match.

 

[Z'zgashi]

but against snake or bowser, 2 fsmashes would be the end of squirtle regardless of how good your di is

 

[Purple]

but against snake or bowser, 2 fsmashes would be the end of squirtle regardless of how good your di is

or luigi =o

 

[Kitamerby]

tl;dr you are forced to take a nice hefty f-smash once maybe even twice if you want to play squirtle an entire match.

No, I am saying that it is outright impossible to play Squirtle an entire match without handicapping yourself to one stock. You physically cannot bypass that mechanic and use 100% Squirtle the entire match if you lose even one stock.

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

You could 3 stock them with Squirtle.

 

[phi1ny3]

but against snake or bowser, 2 fsmashes would be the end of squirtle regardless of how good your di is

or luigi =o

Or high percent Lucario

/additions

 

[Nidtendofreak]

What, no mention of Ike? Shame on you all.

 

[#HBC | J]

or Lucas, GW (adding too xD)

Edit: Ike's Fsmash is too powerful. Hits Squirtle too hard it counts as a two stock. On Jiggs it is like a three stock iirc

 

[YagamiLight]

Fun Fact:

At reasonable damage percentages, Ike has the strongest Forward Smash after King Dedede. At UNreasonable percentages (very, very high) Ike's Fsmash overtakes King Dedede's due to slight damage scaling.

tl;dr : Ike has the strongest Forward Smash in the game yeahhhhhh.

Seriously speaking, though, I find it much more 'reasonable' to hit with Ike's forward smash compared to the other really strong ones due to the fact that it has a very wide arc and the charge release time is quite fast.

 

[Kofu]

And it's power is constant throughout the sword

 

[Ussi]

Luigi's fsmash

Ike's fsmash

For those skipping videos:

Luigi's fsmash is the strongest in the game

 

[Spelt]

ikes fsmash hit at like 20% lower than luigi's though.

 

[-RedX-]

Luigi gave the sandbag about 10% more damage than Ike did. >.>

Edit: Ninja'd.

 

[Ussi]

Alright then, i went and found a weaker Luigi strat.. This ends at 256% and goes 2200 m, Ike ends at 242 + bat drop and went only 1860 m

How's that for you? its still a 340 meter difference.

 

[Kitamerby]

Wonder how Ganondorf's Fsmash fares...

 

[makoforce]

when the next tier comin out

 

[Kofu]

Wonder how Ganondorf's Fsmash fares...

It's actually not THAT powerful unless it's charged. Does a crapload of damage, though.

 

[Chuee]

when the next tier comin out

When you stop asking.

 

[Player 7]

Ike is good coz the smshs r strong, n t final smashs too, eruptcho, he haves onli strong movs, i haves a questio:
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[Z'zgashi]

inb4his^ban

 

[Player 7]

Ike is bad because everynone gimps he
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