PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
I decided I want a Wok for Christmas.
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Based on the assumption that I have always been entirely aware of the practical applications of emotional control. Y'know, I used to be a child?Sorry to burst your bubble there, but if you honestly were happy all the time you would've stopped at "Can't remember the last time I was discontent."
Oh really? Do we really need suffering in order to appear remarkable? I have been considered the most strange, complex, and unique individual as far as my friends and spectators go, even having won most original back in high school for my senior year (and I am the antisocial type, so basically hardly anyone knew my outside of my zone of friends, so I had built up the reputation without even trying or caring). You seem to not really explain what you mean, I'm sorry, but all the joy in life comes from my joy, and the individuality springs from my experiences, dreams, friends, and projects. I'd never say someone was boring just because they've never been legitimately POed or upset about something, and in fact I know many friends that I've never seen shaken with emotion that are a blast to be around, they are much more fun to be around especially because they are incapable of being offended.I think people who try so hard to appear happy all the time are complete toolbags.
why would someone even want to be happy ALL the time? what a featureless and unremarkable existence that would be. It's the darkness and negativity that gives the positive aspects of one's life any weight at all.
and it's also dumb to say that our will dicates our emotions, as if everyone is in complete control of their emotions at all times.
I see what you mean, and that puts what I said about not controlling 100% of my emotions pretty well, that the hardest thing to control is the origin of certain types of thoughts. I am still a student of these mental practices, but overtime and experience I have grown to actually stop the origin of judgments which dictates when something is bad or good in the emotional sense. I am entirely incapable of picking up on when someone looks awful or says something that was meant to be spiteful, though in the latter I still maintain the ability to analyse that it could be interpreted that way in a moral sense. Though beyond that, I'm good at controlling the emotions that do come through and stopping them from actually affecting my actions, like at one point a large guy was going to attack me from accusing me of something I hadn't done, and I merely stood my ground (not from courage haha, I'm quite weak) and after he walked away clearing his head, it was only till later that day when the emotion bled through and I was actually quite angry at the incident enough to shake, but even with that I wasn't unhappy, just displeased with his antics (testosterone is a dangerous thing...)Will can control emotions, but in reality all you're doing is controlling the urge to act on them or controlling the natural tendency to let them effect your mood. The emotion is still there. This is especially true with emotions that originate in the lower, more primitive part of the brain, such as anger/fear. Granted, this is for the average person. Maybe there are mental gurus out there who can actually prevent emotional responses from happening at all through intense desensitization training, but I think for the sake of the conversation it's safe to assume that most people aren't like that.
And being happy all the time is definitely not a negative quality. I don't really understand why anyone would think that. The only time I think I could understand such a sentiment is if it's in regards to happiness being a result of/causing ignorance, which in my experience definitely does happen. That might just be because of how our society set up though.
I had still given you the same answer if you said 'in the last couple of months'. In fact, that is something I was assuming you meant.Holder said:Based on the assumption that I have always been entirely aware of the practical applications of emotional control. Y'know, I used to be a child?
Again, I am very aware of both hands, in fact I am well-versed in the ways of wallowing in sadness, and I have renounced such ways. So yes, I do know what sadness can make a person do, I have my past actions and scenarios to call upon. And no I don't worry about things even when I try really hard for something that matters to me, I just take it in stride. People are indeed capable of not being unhappy with any given situation, though if I find a situation where it is impossible I'll let you know, but it hasn't happened as of yet, and to me it is more fundamental, not a "this case" "that case" kind of thing.I had still given you the same answer if you said 'in the last couple of months'. In fact, that is something I was assuming you meant.
Look, you can't feel happy without feeling sad once in a while. You could throw all the 'my inner joy is true ' crap at me you want, but that is just blatant ignorance( and that appears to make you 'happy'). Everything is relative. Imagine yourself explaining to a kid what the meaning of 'left' is(aka happiness) without knowing what right (sadness) is. You'd say:"Well, look at this hand, this is my left side."
"what's that other hand then?"
"Don't know, just know that this is my lefty."
"Well how do you know for sure that is left, and not the other one?"
"..."
Look, I'm not trying to rob you from your positive outlook in life. That's a great thing to have. But to think that ignoring sadness or 'choosing to not feel it' makes your life better is a bit ridiculous. You can't ignore it. You will feel it. The only thing you CAN do, is to accept whatever it is is happening to you and move on.
And I don't LT meant finding a person unremarkable if they have never experienced sadness. I think he meant that for that person, his/her life would be less remarkable if they never did.
I'm not religious so I wouldn't post anything like that nor do I know anything of that nature. Again, you are on the assumption that I have never went through hard times, I can recall specific moments of my life that were difficult that I let push me around, though I cannot recall the last moments of that enabling. I've let relationships rule my will, and thus made my happiness contingent on things of relativity, let alone something beyond my own will, something utterly beyond my control. And you may say that it is like swimming against the flow of a river, to me it isn't, and I am the one doing it. If I were to explain it, it'd be like when a monk asked Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon, "What is the highest technique you hope to achieve?" And he answers, "To have no technique." Which sums up Eastern philosophy very well, which you should read up on too. To me it is like non-action, being like the strongest thing, the air itself that is untouched in any match and crushes things with their own weight as they pass by uselessly (Tao Te Ching roughly says that in a part).What Rici said. It's not the appearence of unremarkability that I'm talking about. I'm saying that looking back on a life lived with such a singular emotion or outlook must be empty and purgatorial...not to others but to yourself. I just don't believe it's a thing to strive for and to do so is to struggle against the very fundamental precepts of human existence. It's like to try to will away sleepiness or hunger. And yeah, you can probably link me to some religious or spiritual practitioners who don't sleep for years or fast for months on end but I feel that is irrelevant in the context of this conversation.
I am all for reaching for stoicism at all times in my life but I think it's simple self-indulgence to try and convince yourself that people's emotional outlook is as simply kept in check by a 7 step mantra. I'm not saying that doesn't work for you specifically, but to toss it around as if it was applicable to all of society is pretty delusional and slightly egotistical. When you mention that you apparently can't read social cues like facial expressions or diction of voice makes me hesitant to apply your theories of emotion to the average person.
I also wasn't saying "being happy all the time is bad". I'm saying that anyone who claims such is being insincere.
Haha he was much bigger than me, and not alone. If I had gotten angry and challenged him, it would have been all over. XD Though yeah if I got attacked only then would I try to defend myself even if it was futile.Hmm, is that really a good thing though? Seems kind of dangerous to condition yourself to have no reaction when a bigger guy is coming at you. But to be fair, it seems like it worked out for you in that particular situation.
From what I've learned, the frontal cortex is much better at receiving information from the reptilian part of the brain than it is at sending information to it because their are much more pathways leading in that direction. I guess with enough practice a person can actually create new pathways from the front to the back, making it much easier to control. I'm definitely not an expert though, so don't quote me on that.
Funnily enough I think the quickest way to stop yourself from getting mad at the things people say/do is to convince yourself that you're way better than everyone. It sounds terrible but it's effective. I don't really support this method cause it can potentially lead to other problems but it definitely works.
Once again I say it is your judgment that makes it condescending, who are you to tell me what I meant by that? I am being incredibly formal if you can tell by my long convoluted posts, I dislike reducing something to "My favorite color is blue" kind of thing, which it bore likeness to at the beginning. And no, the Taoists don't believe the Yin and Yang is happiness and sadness, it is male and female (and in some instances I think it is used as good and evil, like good can't exist without the other, but that is superfluous, especially since we've already passed the "I have experienced sadness before" part), and it is also used as the spiritual and the physical. If there is a happiness and sadness interpretation of it, then it is definitely just a denomination of it and not the only way to look at it. But again, I seriously just like spreading interest in philosophy, since it is severely unknown to people, you only get a change to be taught it in college, and that is simply optional, and by that point people are hardly to even care about such things or put much stock in it. Books like "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius if read by everyone would probably make us all just a little bit better at seeing things, a good quick read that isn't exhaustive like philosophical essays. I don't like assuming people know anything about philosophy, and I have no qualms with suggesting books to another, just because they are brainy things doesn't mean it is meant to offend. Another unconventional belief I have that may receive dislike from you as well is this:I did not mean egotistical in the sense of thinking highly of yourself per se, but in the context of just your original post with those 7 steps, I interpreted your post as a "prescription" to humanity rather than as a personal guideline. As I read it, it seemed to me you were insisting the secret or key to a positive life, by your metric. and I make no qualms about me myself being egotistical mind you. doesn't mean I can't use the word.
And you say you didn't mention facial expressions/social cues, then what does this sentence mean:
"I am entirely incapable of picking up on when someone looks awful or says something that was meant to be spiteful, though in the latter I still maintain the ability to analyse that it could be interpreted that way in a moral sense."
also, it's mildly condescending how you keep telling me to read books. The main point of my argument the concept of suffering and contentment in constant flux, balancing each other out, is explicitly Taoist. I'm not a stranger to Eastern (or Western) philosophy.
Anyways, this is all stemming from a misinterpretation of your original post and I'm not very interested in continuing this dialogue but reply as you wish!
Best new member of the year.Based on the assumption that I have always been entirely aware of the practical applications of emotional control. Y'know, I used to be a child?
Oh really? Do we really need suffering in order to appear remarkable? I have been considered the most strange, complex, and unique individual as far as my friends and spectators go, even having won most original back in high school for my senior year (and I am the antisocial type, so basically hardly anyone knew my outside of my zone of friends, so I had built up the reputation without even trying or caring). You seem to not really explain what you mean, I'm sorry, but all the joy in life comes from my joy, and the individuality springs from my experiences, dreams, friends, and projects. I'd never say someone was boring just because they've never been legitimately POed or upset about something, and in fact I know many friends that I've never seen shaken with emotion that are a blast to be around, they are much more fun to be around especially because they are incapable of being offended.
The always happy people you speak of are the oh-so-friendly sweet-and-sugary to all people who are on highs. I am not uppity though do have emotions, and I have preferences and expectations, playfulness, taste, etc... none of these are originated from sorrow and anger. I am talking about a stoic contentment that cannot be broken. Not someone who constantly wears a fake smile on their face, though it'd be shallow to infer someone like that is quite featureless.
As for your last comment, yes, our will certainly does control your emotions. You always give the final assent to whether something causes you anger and to lash out, nothing MAKES you do anything, as much as most people say others do. Theoretical and practical wisdom are completely two different things. Obviously, most people don't know how to control their own emotions, in fact I don't 100%, though well enough to never actually be unhappy with life and to look forward to everything and accept any hardship and hurdle I must scale.
Pick up a book on philosophy, think about things, do not think yourself so plain that you are featureless without things that make you cry, the crying did nothing for you, and I wouldn't count you out as such a boring and base character. You cut yourself too short my friend. Also, for logic-sake, do not equate control of emotion as lack thereof, since if there was no emotion... you wouldn't be controlling anything. Yes, someone with no emotions would have no emotional features, very true assessment.
How did it end?I scored 3 guys in a club last night.
Went home with one of them! ^_^
Sexily hahahah xDHow did it end?
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