The Best Players.

[Hack]

I beg to differ. If he makes it there, and I do too, I'll bet you 20 $ he does.

 

[Sox]

^^ weren't you talking about mew2? also, do you guys think if mango tries he could be beaten by anybody but armada? it may be a very dumb question as I have very limited knowledge of the game, but he seems to play almost perfect (when he wants to). He might not deserve the top rank, but I'd still say he's the best. Feel free to disagree and tell me otherwise. (will listen to all but poundslap)

 

[Bing]

Im Mango went all Mr.Try Hard and really put forth his best effort, not ******* around with characters hes only alright with (aka he goes Falco, Jiggs, Fox[?] maybe Falcon) I think he could do it. Plus he's already beaten Armada before, but I know Armada has improved but Mango Im not too sure about.

 

[Rubyiris]

I agree with the momentum thing. I easily could've lost to you tbh.



Again, trolling or not, but remember when you made that thread asking why people didn't like you?



Holy **** I did something right <3

swf is a steaming pile of crap, why would i care about how people online think?

 

[Bing]

lol no matter how hard I try with Kirby, I cant do ****. Like at best im 2 stocking level 9's XD

-no im not a bad player... i just cant use a handful of characters.

 

[Cactuar]

White kirby on brinstar is toooooo good!!!

And he can't be waveshine upsmashed... easily...

Edit: @DoH: *****, you know gay is synonymous with good strategy in smash terms.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik does better vs Pika.

we were talking about mewtwo >___>

 

[Divinokage]

swf is a steaming pile of crap, why would i care about how people online think?

Because this is a community and pretty sure we are real people talking random stuff or important stuff. So, if you make yourself look like an ******* trolling or not then that's going to be bad for you. The apathy of people online is disgusting, the internet is not the problem it's the people that don't care. And quite frankly, I'm pretty pissed at that and it needs to go away... no one has the guts to fight the good fight.

@Hack: I didn't see him adapt to Mango hm? It's not one-sided at all, the other top players can adapt just as well if not better.

 

[-ACE-]

Kage is the ****ing man.

 

[Druggedfox]

we were talking about mewtwo >___>

LOOOOOOOOL this is too good <3

@Hack

I really would like to see that happen, if not just because it means we have more higher level players =] I'll hold you to it =P

 

[PoundSlap]

Hack, you make it sound like armada's suddenly learned how to beat everyone in the world since apex

Sounds like what armada said before coming to pound... and before apex... and before the next pound too, i guess. Well history DOES repeat itself =P

<3 Armada

armada has the advantage that he learns faster than other people can do. because he is definately the smartest player that exists that only gets limited to the fact that he plays peach and that all the smelly americans around him root against him.

and lol kage. sounding the same in every single post but always other wording.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

armada has the advantage that he learns faster than other people can do. because he is definately the smartest player that exists that only gets limited to the fact that he plays peach and that all the smelly americans around him root against him.

and lol kage. sounding the same in every single post but always other wording.

So the best player isn't the best because his charcter isn't perfect? I can clearly see armada able to land hits, avoids, and punish without being punished right?

Are you saying peach is limiting? I disargee you CAN land hits and avoid them also mango can beat people sandbagging as about anyone. also how come armada is so limted as peach but loses as fox and doesn't lose to the match-ups which are terrible for peach?

Charcter johns are terrible unless you can't land hits or avoid ANY as that charcter. Also you should know how to deal with the flaws.

Also if peach's speed is the flaw at high levels pichu is better because he CAN land hits and space and even outrange marth when he's on the ground.

If you're going to say peach is limited and that's what stops armada then you must say pichu is better than peach because he can deal with those problems and other problems his only problems are range and can't take a hit but he can avoid hits easily like fox(not as well maybe) and his movement and projectiles and the fact people have to approach deals with these problems plus mix-ups.

pichu's range is greater than peach's in many ways like his d-tilt is greater as with the ground he covershis nair covers more than marth's f-tilt peach can't.

shut up about armada not being the best because of peach if so he should play as pichu because pichu doesn't suffer from the flaws as much as lack of a player not being able to deal with them.

VERY RAREY can john about your charcter and it be legit. not my fault you picked a s***y charcter who can't win. even still only roy and people who can't land hits have a legit john.

 

[Beat!]

ICG just wiped the floor with PoundSlap.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Charcter johns are f***ing bull s*** like 98% of the time and when you say he's the smartest but made a mistake for his main you sound even worse.

 

[Merkuri]

So the best player isn't the best because his charcter isn't perfect? I can clearly see armada able to land hits, avoids, and punish without being punished right?

Are you saying peach is limiting? I disargee you CAN land hits and avoid them also mango can beat people sandbagging as about anyone. also how come armada is so limted as peach but loses as fox and doesn't lose to the match-ups which are terrible for peach?

Charcter johns are f***ing bull s*** like 98% of the time and when you say he's the smartest but made a mistake for his main you sound even worse.

Wait are we talking about the same Mango who got 9th place at Rom3 using falcon and Marth? Don't be an idiot Mango cannot be anyone using whatever character he likes(high tier are not) character johns are legit and Peach is a very limiting character, it's no wonder why we've never had a Peach player as a contender for best player in the world before now.

The flipside to this is that Aramda's best character is Peach and if he were to switch to another character he would do worse with that character simply because he is that much better with Peach, perhaps if he had devoted all the time to another character he would have an easy time beating to Hungrybox or perhaps not because his playstyle simply fits Peach.

The point is that characters johns are legit. I play Kirby and you beat me as Fox you can't use that as a basis to say that you're a better player than me. I'm pretty sure if Armada and Hungrybox were to do random character money match Armada would get off on him.

 

[PoundSlap]

forgive me ICG but your arguments are insane and crazy. character choice does affect the outcoming of a battle. and peach has a bad matchup against all top high and (nearly all) middle tiers. thats why there is a slight chance armada can lose but hes still the best player (thats what the topic is about so yeah)

 

[Pengie]

Wait are we talking about the same Mango who got 9th place at Rom3 using falcon and Marth? Don't be an idiot Mango cannot be anyone using whatever character he likes(high tier are not) character johns are legit and Peach is a very limiting character, it's no wonder why we've never had a Peach player as a contender for best player in the world before now.

The flipside to this is that Aramda's best character is Peach and if he were to switch to another character he would do worse with that character simply because he is that much better with Peach, perhaps if he had devoted all the time to another character he would have an easy time beating to Hungrybox or perhaps not because his playstyle simply fits Peach.

The point is that characters johns are legit. I play Kirby and you beat me as Fox you can't use that as a basis to say that you're a better player than me. I'm pretty sure if Armada and Hungrybox were to do random character money match Armada would get off on him.

Character Johns are in no way, shape, or form legit; if your character gets hard countered by another character then thats your fault for playing that character. No one like hearing other people complain that their character sucks and that that's the reason why they lost. Furthermore, why does it matter if Armada could beat Hungrybox in random character money matches? At the end of the day, if you cannot beat someone's main it doesn't matter what other character of their's you beat.

 

[Stev]

I play Kirby and you beat me as Fox you can't use that as a basis to say that you're a better player than me.

I can if you can't switch characters and beat my fox. lol @ just because I can't beat you doesn't mean you're better

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

kirby can't beat fox because he can't f***ing hit him. that's totally different than a 60-40 match-up or 30-70 if that's what peach vs puff is kirby seriously can't land a f***ing hit.

If I make a mistake who's fault is it? No matter what you say I made the mistake I let them land that grab that let them 0-death me as pichu vs sheik. on YS.

I've nearly been a sheik main or 2 as pichu Isn't it my falut I didn't punish harder? My fault I got hit? you can make reads to avoid and land hits. Seriously nothing is impossible about sheik sheik's f-tilts can be beaten with d-tilts and misspacing or CCing. or baited with SH 2nd jump back jolt to rack up more damage.

sheik can't spam anything that's unbeatable.

It can take more skill to win I won't disargee but the reason I play pichu is for his systle and that's how I fight best i've played a lot of fox and others but pichu is my best fit by far I can focus more and overall i'm worlds smarter in my actions and have very good tech skill, spacing, and mindgames as pichu.

Maybe i've 2 stocked a guy as falco without getting touched who I tied with as pichu but once he figured me out he could easily solidly win or make it much harder than it was as pichu because I adapt faster as pichu.

the same could easily be true for armada.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

forgive me ICG but your arguments are insane and crazy. character choice does affect the outcoming of a battle. and peach has a bad matchup against all top high and (nearly all) middle tiers. thats why there is a slight chance armada can lose but hes still the best player (thats what the topic is about so yeah)

first off insane/crazy is merely the un common way of thinking I could think I want to be happy and make others suffer less right? I do so by burning someone to death the sane stop be from having my fun and stopping any more suffering of whoever I wish to burn by insalvement.

crazy is just a different veiw than your own. Why do you think I know i'm crazy i'm wise enough to win me from their eyes and compare.


yes charcter choice does change how the match goes. but not as much as your choices If I plan on adapting and not making mistakes and other things like punishment sorry but your charcter isn't the biggest factor your systle you play as them is. no matter who you are DD to avoid their attack and grab punish is good if you land it even more if you follow-up.

MOST like 98% of all match-ups you can't john about you choose the mistakes you made. if you're grabbed it's your fault. not per say balanced but not unfair.

 

[Iron Dragon]

There is NO WAY this PoundSlap guy can be serious. NO ****ING WAY. ....He is serious?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

 

[Divinokage]

armada has the advantage that he learns faster than other people can do. because he is definately the smartest player that exists that only gets limited to the fact that he plays peach and that all the smelly americans around him root against him.

and lol kage. sounding the same in every single post but always other wording.

Lol, pretty sure he would get ****ing wrecked if he would not play Peach in actual tournaments.. did you see what happened when he picked Fox vs Mango? Oh whoops, your point just fails completely. No one can be super beast with every single characters.. you choose your own character that suits your style the best.. It will then be impossible to do as well with another character. There's just not enough time available to master every character.. you have to pick correctly.

PS: PP will be the smartest of all, just wait a few more months. =)

 

[PoundSlap]

(serious post)

my posts are always serious. like this one. why do you think i would be joking/whatever? i always give reasons for my thinking. its not like i would say invalid data.

 

[Pengie]

PS: PP will be the smartest of all, just wait a few more months. =)

Forget a few months, PP's clearly the smartest, how many other smashers are there that are already doctors? You don't make it through four years of medical school being stupid you know.

 

[-ACE-]

Hypothetical situation:

Say PP gets beat by linguini every time they play for 3 years straight, but during this time PP consistently beats around 20 players that linguini usually loses to, placing top 3 at every tournament they both attend whereas linguini places 13th or 17th. Who is better? Who should be ranked higher? Although the answer will seem clear to most, a lot of people here would be a hypocrite regardless of how they answered those questions.

Character johns exist in a way (only to shed light on typical matchup outcome probabilities and/or one's lack of experience in a particular matchup), they just have very little to do with overall skill and have no place in a thread like this, imo.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hypothetical situation:

Say PP gets beat by linguini every time they play for 3 years straight, but during this time PP consistently beats around 20 players that linguini usually loses to, placing top 3 at every tournament they both attend whereas linguini places 13th or 17th. Who is better? Who should be ranked higher? Although the answer will seem clear to most, a lot of people here would be a hypocrite regardless of how they answered those questions.

Character johns exist in a way (only to shed light on typical matchup outcome probabilities and/or one's lack of experience in a particular matchup), they just have very little to do with overall skill and have no place in a thread like this, imo.

it sounds like linguini's stsyle counters PPs like how everyone has problems with H-boxes but is sometimes beaten by cobol.

not saying one is better just play different.

also the smartest player is magus seriously smart is to do with amount of knowledge one has. Wise is about useing.

I'm smart enough to know i'm dumb, too wise to admit i'm smart, and too dumb to reliaze i'm wise. this desrcibles myself very well in many ways.

being smarter doesn't mean skill simplly lets you know your otions. but knowledge like framae data or whatever is skill I believe like knowing combo percents.

 

[KirbyKaze]

PP may be the smartest

But I am the gayest

 

[Divinokage]

Knowing the game inside out with frame data and all that is one thing.. however putting it in practice is completely different as you have to take into account x100 different things as well. That would describe M2k's style the best.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Mango is the wisest smasher without a doubt. also maybe the most creative and junk.

 

[hungrybox]

Stay on topic.

Stop trolling, Mike.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

bair is the best player

 

[Jimbo Slice]

Darkrain is the best player. He's just limited by Falcon being terrible.

 

[Merkuri]

Character Johns are in no way, shape, or form legit; if your character gets hard countered by another character then thats your fault for playing that character. No one like hearing other people complain that their character sucks and that that's the reason why they lost. Furthermore, why does it matter if Armada could beat Hungrybox in random character money matches? At the end of the day, if you cannot beat someone's main it doesn't matter what other character of their's you beat.

The point has entirely went over your head. It doesn't matter if people doesn't like to hear, that doesn't change how true the statement is. Granted it is Aramada's fault for playing such a bad character, but how does that change the fact Hbox beat him using a character who s not only a lot better, but dominates Peach in that match up. My entire point is that as an overall player Armada is better, that may not be significant when it comes to actually tournaments but it something worth pointing out.

I can if you can't switch characters and beat my fox. lol @ just because I can't beat you doesn't mean you're better

That was just a dumb thing to say. Ken couldn't beat Korean DJ, but everyone knew he was the better player. Be smarter dude.

 

[JBM falcon08]

Nah.

There is something wrong if you can't beat so and so but can beat everyone else.

Would you seriously call yourself the best knowing you lose to a gdorf? (lol mango).

KDJ btw was just as good if not better than ken at the end of MLG. Forced PC to switch from falco to fox cuz kdj adapted too well.

 

[Armada]

Kage: If you or someone else still think the third set was just proveing Mango was so much better you have completely wrong.

I don´t say i am better BUT i am saying that rest on Battelfield change everything and i hope most people understand that and if they don´t they can clearly not see things that change mindset for players.

In the two first sets the most matches was 1 stock (exceot for the first match when i 2 stock Mango, the second when he 2 stocking me and the first match in GF when i 3 stock him),
My point is it was REALLY close and when Mango beat me first set in GF it was too much and i think all players in the world would be destroyed if they were in the same situation.

In the last set my Peach didn´t have a chance either (maybe first match).
And experience in a matchup is really important and johns or not i had never played that matchup before (singles) so that was a big reason why it went the way it did.

( a combonation of a destroyed mind and no experience in matchup)
But i know Mango would beat be anyway in that matchup but just take that match is clearly wrong i guess the team matches me and Aniolas had against Hbox and Hax prove something at least.

And yeah my other chars is not close to me Peach but they are not trash and i think the people how have played against my Shiek/Falco/Fox lately can agree with that (and Marth against Peach )

 

[Jim Morrison]

Forget a few months, PP's clearly the smartest, how many other smashers are there that are already doctors? You don't make it through four years of medical school being stupid you know.

Excuse me?

 

[LLDL]

Why aren't Jman and Eggm in the backroom yet. They get top 10 at every national.

 

[RATED]

forgive me ICG but your arguments are insane and crazy. character choice does affect the outcoming of a battle. and peach has a bad matchup against all top high and (nearly all) middle tiers. thats why there is a slight chance armada can lose but hes still the best player (thats what the topic is about so yeah)

dude... Character selection is a skill you have, even if it sounds weird. I mean why picking up Falcon when you just can pickup jigglypuff and fox who are better on a tourney setting, that's being smart, being smart is part of a player skill.

 

[Merkuri]

Nah.

There is something wrong if you can't beat so and so but can beat everyone else.

Would you seriously call yourself the best knowing you lose to a gdorf? (lol mango).

KDJ btw was just as good if not better than ken at the end of MLG. Forced PC to switch from falco to fox cuz kdj adapted too well.

Are you serious? Korean DJ couldn't never beat Azen or Chu Dat(and Ken walked all over Chu Dat) and PC beat KDJ almost all the time.

PC switched to from fox, because KDJ switched from Shiek. It would end up s Falco vs Marth usually. Ken was still quite a bit better than KDJ by the end of MLG.

And mind yiu KDJ was beating him even before MLG ended, even though KDJ would still love to a much of the other better players while Ken didn't.

 

[Divinokage]

That's quite a bit of Inui Logic you got there.. lol.