The Best Players.

[Hack]

Kage: A good tip against Peach: when she jumps in with a turnip: fulljump, catch it, 2nd jump, drop it on her and apply a ff-bair or a tomahawk grab. Using Peach's turnips against her is EXTREMELY efficient with Ganon. Echoist (best Swedish Ganon, although semi-retired now) gives me quite some trouble with this (catching every frikkin turnip, forcing me to use a different strategy), and he's even made Armada complain about it at times.

Maybe this won't be enough to give you the win vs Armada, and I doubt we'll ever face eachother (except maybe at Pound 5/Genesis 2), but I though I'd give you something to work on =)

 

[Zgetto]

I'm pretty sure he proved himself when he trashed Armada at APEX (so much for Armada's free win, huh?), while nobody on your side of the pond has taken a set off him in... a million years or so?

Why are you even talking about Zgetto? He had a chance to "prove himself" at P4 and he got **** on.

LOL! your looking at one tournament where i lost to zhu en jman.. those were all momentum matches.. i might aswell beaten them.. And lets see some ntsc players come to pal first.. u have no idea in what a disadvantage we pal players are..

Btw did one player of ur region got higher then me? so that makes me better then ur whole region right?

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

We don't have to go PAL until PAL wins a NTSC Tournament.

 

[Zgetto]

We don't have to go PAL until PAL wins a NTSC Tournament.

Dont talk in a we if you dont mean **** random guy.
That whole reason is gay as ****.. i kno if they come here it be different.

 

[t3h Icy]

At ROM3, Hax once again only beat one person in Winners' (Th0rn) and then got sent to Losers', placing 13th, lol.

 

[Druggedfox]

Kage's awesome. I can't wait to see you get even more amazing by pound, I know you have motivation

Also, no offense to europe, but I somehow doubt that if USA's best went over it would be much different. I'm sure for certain people it would, but by and large I can't see it:

Mango
Hungrybox
Dr. Peepee
Mew2King

These are more or less established as the top 4 players in america currently. Mango... I don't need to address. For hbox, jiggs is arguably better over there. For PP? I mean, sure falco's weak dair got a nerf, but by and large I don't see this making a significant difference. For M2K? His characters are validly nerfed, however with his ability to tech chase I can easily see him having generally good success with sheik and marth despite the lack of dair. I haven't seen him play fox recently.

I really respect European play, and I agree that the USA should go over to europe, its only fair; at the same time, I hardly think that suddenly going to PAL will change results significantly. Look at amsah and armada when they came over here. They did quite well, despite the change of version... I'm not sure why the reverse would be any different.

 

[Divinokage]

Nice sig DruggedFox lol. And ya if anything the game is more balanced in PAL, top players will remain top players regardless of versions.

@hack, I do it sometimes but I guess not enough.. I don't play super gay enough I suppose. =P

 

[Rubyiris]

Trashtalk is required. Maturity is discouraged.

 

[Rubyiris]

Nice sig DruggedFox lol. And ya if anything the game is more balanced in PAL, top players will remain top players regardless of versions.

@hack, I do it sometimes but I guess not enough.. I don't play super gay enough I suppose. =P

You took Taj to Brinstar. That's about as gay as it gets.

You took a MEWTWO to BRINSTAR.

The only worse you could have done was gone Sheik.

 

[-ACE-]

Lol, it's not like brinstar is the ultimate ganon stage either (although it blows for m2). Kage does well there tho, utilizing proper stage control.

 

[Rubyiris]

Lol, it's not like brinstar is the ultimate ganon stage either (although it blows for m2). Kage does well there tho, utilizing proper stage control.

He took a low/bottom tier character to Brinstar. That's all that needs to be said.

So much for being a warrior. That's straight rainbow-vomiting gay.

 

[Sox]

why is utilizing counterpicks in order to win gay?

 

[Rubyiris]

why is utilizing counterpicks in order to win gay?

How is taking a low tier to a gay stage NOT gay?

I think my questions better.

 

[gghhh3]

He wanted to fight in the lava, a true warrior fights in lava.

 

[Divinokage]

He took a low/bottom tier character to Brinstar. That's all that needs to be said.

So much for being a warrior. That's straight rainbow-vomiting gay.

That's called playing to win.. how is playing to win gay? It's called using proper knowledge to maximize your chances to win. I don't give a **** if you think it's gay. When did I ever say I fight fair or for honor? You need to redefine your definition of a warrior because clearly I'm not a warrior in your eyes. He should of banned it imo instead. Taj's low tier is only is best character as well, it would be wise not to underestimate him just like Ganon is my best character. Taking me to FD is everyone's best bet which is why I ban it most of the time. Your logic fails completely.

 

[Bing]

That's called playing to win.. how is playing to win gay? It's called using proper knowledge to maximize your chances to win. I don't give a **** if you think it's gay. When did I ever say I fight fair or for honor? You need to redefine your definition of a warrior because clearly I'm not a warrior in your eyes. He should of banned it imo instead. Taj's low tier is only is best character as well, it would be wise not to underestimate him just like Ganon is my best character. Taking me to FD is everyone's best bet which is why I ban most of the time. Your logic fails completely.

Thank you mentioning the "I play to win" bit, because people continue to rip on Hbox for spamming bair's. well he's playing to win, and succeeding, so people who call players style or counterpicks gay need to stfu, its there style, learn to deal with it. Unless you camp like SFAT's Sheik in crews, that ****s just plain gay.

 

[Divinokage]

Thank you mentioning the "I play to win" bit, because people continue to rip on Hbox for spamming bair's. well he's playing to win, and succeeding, so people who call players style or counterpicks gay need to stfu, its there style, learn to deal with it. Unless you camp like SFAT's Sheik in crews, that ****s just plain gay.

It's just playing by rules given to us, if someone cannot deal with that then I'm sorry too ****ing bad. When you fight, you don't fight to be nice I think.. right? Can you imagine a UFC fighter giving free opportunities for a punch from the opponent? That's stupid and should not be done.

 

[KirbyKaze]

RockCrock has the most mindgames with Ganon.

I counted them.

 

[PB&J]

what i learned from playing m2k lately and rom 3 is ..during tourny matches momentum helps out alot..m2k's fox was sucking to me when i was playing him and then he beats hbox in tounry 2-0 pretty soundly because of his momentum(crowd was rooting for him) confidence is key to being the best,mango has it,hbox has it,shiz has it, plus many more

europe- i agree with u guys , but i dont think we will place much lower..some will but not all, not saying we will win or anything,

ill try to go to europe next year or something with some friends

 

[Pi]

last time m2k & armada fought armada clearly had the advantage in their battles
especially on BF
m2k gets an early kill, but armada still controls the match and still pulls out the win

 

[Bing]

It's just playing by rules given to us, if someone cannot deal with that then I'm sorry too ****ing bad. When you fight, you don't fight to be nice I think.. right? Can you imagine a UFC fighter giving free opportunities for a punch from the opponent? That's stupid and should not be done.

Exactly, its like changing the rules of a sport to better suit the people because they're complaining, rules are rules, dont **** with em, learn them and appreciate that you will have moments where things dont go your way

 

[PoundSlap]

That's obviously a bunch of BS.. it's also easier to capitalize with better characters... If i make one mistake and then the opponent knows how to punish, Ganon gets punished ****ing hard. Why don't we see many other Ganons for example, hm? =P

lol this sounds a bit like a john to be honest. one mistake and youll get punished like ****? i think youre just saying this so people see you as a good player but in reality ganon is really cheap. ganon is also very heavy so even if you get punished hard he can still survive pretty well.

LOL! your looking at one tournament where i lost to zhu en jman.. those were all momentum matches.. i might aswell beaten them.. And lets see some ntsc players come to pal first.. u have no idea in what a disadvantage we pal players are..

Btw did one player of ur region got higher then me? so that makes me better then ur whole region right?

QFT

you guys all underestimate europe (especially armada but this is not the case now). and to the people who think pal doesnt change the outcoming youre extremely mistaken. i would even say pal counts more because its also more balanced.

i actually wanted to quote a good post by mikehaggar too but didnt feel like searching through the forums

 

[Divinokage]

lol this sounds a bit like a john to be honest. one mistake and youll get punished like ****? i think youre just saying this so people see you as a good player but in reality ganon is really cheap. ganon is also very heavy so even if you get punished hard he can still survive pretty well.

No he can't, a good player will never let a Ganon go on-stage once he's off-stage, which is why you have to have ridiculous stage control and having that = awesome mindgames. His recovery is one of the worst in the game as well. This is facts.. and somehow I can hide it pretty good sometimes.

And also the fact that I say certain things to make myself look good is laughable, I don't need to prove myself to scrubs. All they can do is sit back and point their fingers/talk **** to the awesome players that already exist. And well I don't really care, you cannot even begin to understand how it feels to be on top which is why scrubs should stfu and continue playing until they become at least decent to create a challenge. And then you can trashtalk your rivals but for now you know nothing apparently.

Oh and me and pkm ***** Zgetto/faab team.. Europe is free son. =D

 

[PoundSlap]

i dont think so. you can also double stick tech the hits when you think youre about to get offstage so wheres the problem? and once youre offstage just mix up your recoveries and you should not get punished too often. and even if you get you can also smash di in multiple frames so you get closer to the stage or even tech there.

 

[Armada]

Druggedfox: Shiek and Falco is clearly my best chars next to Peach and Shiek suck against puff =/.

And With i think you need a lot of experience in the matchup maybe most of them all (of the top chars).
And no puff players over here.
And yeah the most players should agree on Peach>Ganon i wanna say 60-40 and kage said that too but Linguini think it is 55-45.


Playing in Pal is not only playing in Pal. Playing on another continent is something else i promise.

Luma: Sounds awesome =).

Axe: Falco dittos next time =) (and also Shiek against your Falco and Falco against your pika =).

Hack: Kage is awesome but helping them when we are giveing advice to each others sounds wrong man =(.

Smith: Like someone from US won a tournament in Europe before Genesis
USA have never prove something in Europe but have always saying they are the best.

And i won a small tournament (like 25 attend and i beat Jman and the awesome Zhu) so you guys can attend tournaments here now =).

And Zgetto in he´s worst shape sience 2008( right Zgetto?) is nothing.
Zgetto will **** next time promise.

 

[Archangel]

Zgetto didn't seem as good and he had been before at Pound tbh. That and he got some unlucky pairings lol.

 

[Dark Hart]

last time m2k & armada fought armada clearly had the advantage in their battles
especially on BF
m2k gets an early kill, but armada still controls the match and still pulls out the win

... Do you know how hard it is to approach a Peach like Aramda's? At that level of play? Honestly I think stage control is the most difficult part of playing Melee, especially at the higher levels.

 

[hungrybox]

You took Taj to Brinstar. That's about as gay as it gets.

You took a MEWTWO to BRINSTAR.

The only worse you could have done was gone Sheik.

....who cares?

 

[hungrybox]

oh and for those who have yet to realize it

PoundSlap = MikeHaggar

you know, that guy who got banned

 

[Summonedfist]

Approaching Armada is scary lol

His OOS game2good.

 

[KirbyKaze]

You took Taj to Brinstar. That's about as gay as it gets.

You took a MEWTWO to BRINSTAR.

The only worse you could have done was gone Sheik.

By "Sheik" you mean "Jigglypuff", correct?

 

[Hack]

Armada: Yeah but you beat him kinda convincingly last time. I don't think it will make that much of a difference. It was rather advice to help him vs US Peaches (I'll beat him anyway since I've got so much experience vs Echo ).

 

[Mizar]

We don't have to go PAL until PAL wins a NTSC Tournament.

Rofl, you're serious aren't ya xD
According to your logic, there aren't ANY American players in the top 100 PAL world ranking, or any at all. While there are quite some Europeans in the NTSC version.

I know I'm talking ****, but it's just to show you how much **** you talk.

I just find your statement arrogant, thats all.

Edit*: Yes, I had to respond to that.

 

[Archangel]

Approaching Armada is scary lol

His OOS game2good.

Approaching Armada is like approaching fire. You can set up camp around it but if you approach your gonna get burned.

 

[OverLord]

just 2 cents:

I don't get some things that have been said.

1. Stop saying Juan gay and blabla, bairs bairs and blabla. Just play him for 30 minutes. Then you understand how good he is, despite of the character. He actually definitely knows his ****. (Italian pride)

2. Kage is freaking good. Really. Mind****ing.

3. Why does some people put Calle W in their hypotethical top tens? just LOL HARD.

He is obviously good but:

- It's been years since he doesn't show out of Sweden. So who knows how he would perform against other european tops.

- He always does close sets against IVP, losing pretty badly in one of the last tournaments if I recall right, that placed himself just 9th in Birmingham this summer. (Not saying 9th is bad obviously, just compared to the top positions)

- Faab actually is probably european best Falco 'cause of his placements, like it or not.

- And last but not least (Italian pride again): Aldwyn after one year of hiatus placed himself 5th in Berlin losing just to Armada, and doing pretty well against most of the top players. He had to forfeit against Ice 'cause of the flight back.

So there are at least 2 Falco players that got more placements and more basis to be considered better than CalleW.


So, what are the basis on which people are putting this idea of CalleW being so good..?

 

[Pengie]

Probably because he has some close matches with Armada, which shouldn't mean much because I've had close matches with Hungrybox, but I'm nowhere near his level.

 

[-ACE-]

Calle's tech skill is very impressive.

 

[Iron Dragon]

The best part in all of this is that no matter what everyone(except really delusional people) agrees Mango is the best. /cool

 

[OverLord]

Calle's tech skill is very impressive.

silentWolf's too, but he is not top ****ing ten.

 

[-ACE-]

silentWolf's too, but he is not top ****ing ten.

I never said he was. There's nothing wrong with giving a good player a compliment.