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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
- Start date
I still watch you vs EK occasionallyWhy doesn't anyone like my Sheik?</3
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I love watching your Sheik, Amsah. I think I've learned the most from Sheik from you. Watching videos of a Sheik that can't rely on grab is extremely helpful. It teaches you a ridiculous amount in a very short amount of time. For that, I thank you haha. <3 /meatrides
Devil Ray
Smash Lord
very well put. i would also mention that marth is a HUGE f'ing target for grabs.
Cia
das kwl
I love grabbing with Sheik. And tech chasing someone to AT LEAST 60%
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TresChikon
Smash Lord
60% is chump change.
0-death tekchase is something to shake your fist at.
0-death tekchase is something to shake your fist at.
Tero.
Smash Champion
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Sorry to quote this old post, but I lol'd so hart.
Just like EVERY SINGLE USA PEACH > Armada.
Anyone still remember that topic?
stupid americans all over again?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Tero..
No point in arguing over something you have no way of proving, especially when you'll find out the answer soon enough.
If I place bad at pound, they were right. If I place good, you were right. That's all there is to it..=]
No point in arguing over something you have no way of proving, especially when you'll find out the answer soon enough.
If I place bad at pound, they were right. If I place good, you were right. That's all there is to it..=]
Cia
das kwl
No one said said Amsah was bad. Some just said his sheik doesn't LOOK as good. Some of the best Sheiks look terrible (like Drephen)
And the only reason people were so quick to believe Armada was terrible is because you guys just would not SHUT UP about him. Even if he was the best player ever, no one cared or liked him because you just would not SHUT. UP.
And that "Stupid Americans" line is getting really old and is so stereotypical European. I wish I was a mod here because I'd room ban your *** for prejudice. In any case, you've been ignore listed for being a completely useless poster. So don't waste your time responding.
Man, now Amsah's doing the stupid color hting.
Luck-NYC/NJ
Smash Lord
this has probably been answered a billion times but i just want a few opinions. whats best thing to do if a fox nair's into your shield. should i roll? i can't really attack outta shield. if i wait too long grab comes. i know its more of a discretion thing but like thats my biggest problem with fox. cant really keep him off me.
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he was the one that started it
i hate you all.
i quit smash
thanks guys.
i quit smash
thanks guys.
Yes you can, just nair.
CanISmash
Smash Lord
luck playing melee again? =o
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
It's sort of a toss-up thing, really.
Assuming you are caught out of position and are forced to shield Fox's nair, there are a couple scenarios that will often arise:
1. Fox shines your attempted shield grab / stymies some other OOS option. Results in a waveshine to grab or similarly damaging follow-up. A lot of sheik's rely on getting shield grabs against various characters and are slow to adapt to space animals who can actually decent at not getting shield grabbed.
Bairs and dairs are usually easier to shieldgrab - especially dair, which can be tricky to l-cancel on a shield.2. You hold your shield through the shine and attempt to nair OOS. Pretty solid response, especially if the Fox isn't known to shield pressure Jmanesquely.
3. You buffer a roll. Actually very nice if employed moderately.
It can be tough. You really have to anticipate his nairs and either pivot grab / wavedash back grab them or full jump/ SH backwards and fastfall a fair where he lands.
Well-timed ftilts and dsmashes can catch Fox out of his approaches occasionally. Not something you want to rely heavily on, though.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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You can wavedash back out of shield to grab, also.
LooksLikePit
Smash Ace
Or you can just roll into center stage. If you're being pressured in center stage, just roll away. After that the fox will probably try to nair you or something, in which case you can roll back to where you were before and voila, you have center stage and they don't.
Yah I don't recommend rolling around like that all the time.
LooksLikePit
Smash Ace
Well if they're going to nair you, that just gives you the perfect opportunity to gain center stage. Rolling every time they do that would obviously be horrible, but I'm just suggesting a decent option.
Unless it's really good nairshine pressure by fox or really good pillaring by falco, WD OoS is usually a better option as you can do alot more with it after you wd as opposed to rolling.
Also think about it, if you roll towards an edge, why would you continue to roll towards the edge again? That's like suicide against decent players. You're only cornering yourself. So it's fairly easy to predict the role going back to the center, so they just run past and sit there and wait and wreck your face.
I'm not saying buffering a role to avoid pressure is a bad idea by any means, just..trying to gain stage control by rolling isn't a very good strategy.
Also think about it, if you roll towards an edge, why would you continue to roll towards the edge again? That's like suicide against decent players. You're only cornering yourself. So it's fairly easy to predict the role going back to the center, so they just run past and sit there and wait and wreck your face.
I'm not saying buffering a role to avoid pressure is a bad idea by any means, just..trying to gain stage control by rolling isn't a very good strategy.
LooksLikePit
Smash Ace
No, I didn't mean rolling twice to the edge.
I meant roll away once, then back to where you were before when they try to punish your first roll. That way they're on the side and you're in the middle
I meant roll away once, then back to where you were before when they try to punish your first roll. That way they're on the side and you're in the middle
No that's exactly my point. Why woul dyou continue to roll to the edge? The answer is: you dont, you'll try to roll back towards the center of teh stage so you aren't cornered. It's pretty easy to predict.
As Sheik, being in a spot where you can get edgeguarded easier sucks, since her up-b is pretty predictable and really laggy if you have to land on stage.
As Sheik, being in a spot where you can get edgeguarded easier sucks, since her up-b is pretty predictable and really laggy if you have to land on stage.
I think WD OOS is also generally a better option.
Nair OOS works wonders too.
Also try shield grab more. I think some people get scared to use it but pillaring does NOT ensure the player protection from shieldgrabs.
Learn when to shield grab the pillars and look for key movements that allow you to shieldgrab them.
Sheik's grab comes out in 4 frames and you have 6/7 frames between the shine and the aerial. so you basically have a 2 frame window of error to get the grab in. Definitely do able, but i prefer wd OoS since i can do it now or nair OoS.
Yes, in between the shine and the aerial.
Depenzoarz =)
Wait lies you told me to do it between the shine and the aerial
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Like I said, it depends.Wait lies you told me to do it between the shine and the aerial
You're right but it really depends what you're looking for.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If they do a move high on your shield, do things before the shine if you reacted well or just hold your shield and wait.
If they do a move low - mid on your shield, do things after the shine if you reacted well or just hold your shield and wait.
If they do a move low - mid on your shield, do things after the shine if you reacted well or just hold your shield and wait.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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You can shield DI out of drillshine shield pressure. If you're into that kinda thing.
And where you grab really depends on the kind of pillaring they're using. Honestly, though, I'd be wary of letting them hit my shield. Shinegrabs aren't used much, but you don't want people getting free grabs on you, right?
And where you grab really depends on the kind of pillaring they're using. Honestly, though, I'd be wary of letting them hit my shield. Shinegrabs aren't used much, but you don't want people getting free grabs on you, right?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Shinegrab is defeated by rolling. Frame perfect shinegrab can't get a frame perfect roll.
Also, something cool.
Also, something cool.
This is how it works:
The first one is with no SDI or ASDI before grabbing the shine, and the one underneath it is the exact same conditions except with a SDI and then the ASDI away+pushback happens 2 frames later.
Somewhat specific to tall characters, but I think it would work for Sheik. Her standing grab is pretty high.
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
Now that's something cool