soap
Smash Hero
peach cant cc dthrow uair.....
which ***** her
which ***** her
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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djmirrorr
Smash Apprentice
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Hello I just started using Sheik and I want to know what moves do I use to appoarch. I dont want to spam F-air to F-tilt all the time because it doesn't get me anywhere. Against Fox, what should I be doing and what i shouldn't do? I noticed that I always get ***** by upthrow to Up-air or get Upsmash'd out of Shield etc.
Thank you
Thank you
Urm, I'm sure you meant ftilt to fair.
FOr fox...hmmm. My general strategy is to just keep moving around until i can bait something that i can grab. then i tech chase for a while. Really you ideally don't want to be approachign foxie. Bait him into approaching you then get a grab, or an ftilt, to more tech chase.
I dunno.
FOr fox...hmmm. My general strategy is to just keep moving around until i can bait something that i can grab. then i tech chase for a while. Really you ideally don't want to be approachign foxie. Bait him into approaching you then get a grab, or an ftilt, to more tech chase.
I dunno.
yea thats prolly the best. Baiting would, in general, be making a move on fox as if u were trying to directly attack him so that he will be provoked to attack back. Some people get confused that baiting is just camping, which is partially true but not the only option.
COHEED AND CAMBRIA
Smash Ace
Ok so last weekend i spent Quite a few hours playing Sliq's and Anthers falco's and where my sheik usually won i couldnt seem to find a good strat to get past Anthers laser's he had me on lockdown quite a bit whas some good things a sheik can do when playing a falco with a great Laser Game a normal falco laser game doesnt phase me.
COHEED AND CAMBRIA
Smash Ace
i ledge camp all ****ing day lol!
djmirrorr
Smash Apprentice
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No, I do F-air to F-tilt alot lol, but do i just throw needles or throw a move away to make the Fox approach toward me? Thanks for the advice by the way.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I always feel bad when controllers explode.Why? I don't.
NTSC's up air is far better. Using the weakhit it can still combo pretty well and it can kill at high percentages.
That makes sense about Uair.
Its almost like you're having trouble finding something bad about up-airWhy? I don't.
I'll try my best..:embarrass
NTSC's up air is far better. Using the weakhit it can still combo pretty well and it can kill at high percentages.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Her Uair is beautiful.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Recently I noticed that a lot of Jiggs players get hit by dthrow uair at killing percent. Isn't it possible to DI away and avoid this? Or ... does that just lead to getting faired?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
It's inescapable.
My controller yeah...
I thought you were talking about the fact that I use PAL Sheik...:embarrass
You can't find something that doesn't exist..:embarrassIts almost like you're having trouble finding something bad about up-air
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
PAL Sheik is more balanced and probably more healthy for the metagame than NTSC Sheik by leaps and bounds.My controller yeah...
I thought you were talking about the fact that I use PAL Sheik...
I may tease the PAL Sheiks about having a handicapped D-throw and Uair, but I have a lot of respect for the good PAL Sheiks. I think it's considerably easier to be decent with her in NTSC. Her metagame is largely centered around one move.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
nicaboy
Smash Champion
Foxes can shine out of tech chases so dont abuse it! Unless they dont know about it. Sometimes after d throw just wait there. They react(SPOT DOGE UPSMASH etc) and you can punish.
Omg I gotta say wd back to grab works like a charm.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yea. Pretty much wavedash back to grab is for Sheik what pivot grab is for Marth.
Don't you ever wonder why we don't talk about our upair?
I want NTSC SheikDon't you ever wonder why we don't talk about our upair?
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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...I hate how Sheik players flaunt how good their character is =(
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elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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In conclusion, Sheik is cheap. That is all.
You all should learn to work for your victories D=
You all should learn to work for your victories D=
Can't say that about PAL Sheiks :embarrass
nicaboy
Smash Champion
lmao its too good.Yea. Pretty much wavedash back to grab is for Sheik what pivot grab is for Marth.
And yes sheik is cheap which is why i main her.
Are you saying I'm a fox main? >_<....him being a fox main makes it funnier
Nicaboy - Fox does it better you should go main fox if you wanna be cheaper
nicaboy
Smash Champion
Lol its too much work for that but my brother does.
And besides that he gets comboed much heavier than sheik f that.
I think I said this before but if I wanst so competitive I would main ness cuz he *****. Deal with it!
And besides that he gets comboed much heavier than sheik f that.
I think I said this before but if I wanst so competitive I would main ness cuz he *****. Deal with it!
except pivot grab ***** with sheik too. if only i could do it more consistentlyYea. Pretty much wavedash back to grab is for Sheik what pivot grab is for Marth.
im so bad without a good dashdance =(
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Kira is a new friend.
Kira is a new friend
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Just Sexed
Smash Ace
Sheik is cooler than fox IMO
Turn around needles FTW
Turn around needles FTW
If by cool
you mean huge homosexual
i totally agree.
you mean huge homosexual
i totally agree.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Fox can be grabbed through his tech animation.
Standing tech is invincible for 20/26 frames. Tech rolls are different, I don't know the numbers off by heart and can't be bothered to look but it's about 24 / 32 or something.
So when you tech chase, you're grabbing them through their animation. They never get the chance to Shine if you do it fast enough. But this takes practice and conditioning and is very easy to mess up. However, it works.
Seriously. Sheik can actually D-throw Uair Puff at any percent, even 0, even if she DIs away. Same for Samus and Luigi. Some follows are better, though, so it goes largely unused. I think Uair is great around 30.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
I havent seen sheik's consitantly do it on foxes the same way they do it on falcons. Although I was aware you do grab through animations I was under the thought that the shine could just out beat your grab because it's fast. Funny its usually when they tech away (either behind or in front me) is when I get shined. I find dash attack a better tech chasing option at times then following up with grabs.
Maybe Im not reading the tech fast enough? Or Im inputing the grab command to late as far as regrabing goes?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Tope does it pretty consistently, I believe. >_>
Tope without beard, though, I'm not so sure. ^_^
Tope without beard, though, I'm not so sure. ^_^
I can do it too actually.
Its very possible, it just takes a bit of practice.
Also if you mess up the tech chase a bit (As in reacting a moment too late etc) I usually tech chase dsmash since it covers most of the options.
Tech to either side is fairly easy to read and chase the one you have to be careful about is the backward DI into tech in place.
Space animals can shine -> move you and it swing the momentum >_<
Its very possible, it just takes a bit of practice.
Also if you mess up the tech chase a bit (As in reacting a moment too late etc) I usually tech chase dsmash since it covers most of the options.
Tech to either side is fairly easy to read and chase the one you have to be careful about is the backward DI into tech in place.
Space animals can shine -> move you and it swing the momentum >_<
to beat backward di into tech in place
wd backwards
then it's exactly the same as any other tech chase. same thing applies if they DI away and tech in place
tope does have amazing reactions. but i still have trouble reacting to tech in place. i have to somewhat predict that they will tech in place, or otherwise have some sort of inclination that they will do so for me to be able to react to it
wd backwards
then it's exactly the same as any other tech chase. same thing applies if they DI away and tech in place
tope does have amazing reactions. but i still have trouble reacting to tech in place. i have to somewhat predict that they will tech in place, or otherwise have some sort of inclination that they will do so for me to be able to react to it
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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I remember Magus said something about watching Fox's legs to determine the tech direction in his post. You guys can look it up if you want.
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I'm awful at in place for some reason.
I;m just awful
/ragequit
I;m just awful
/ragequit
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You have a 6 frame window to hit the grab on a tech in place. If they're Shining you, you're probably not being fast enough. Or you're grabbing when they're still invincible from the tech animation and then being punished in the lag but I doubt it.