Cia
das kwl
This statement should be in the bible.
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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TresChikon
Smash Lord
edit: dumbness, ignore me
Batmansince1939
Smash Journeyman
hey i am lazy so i am sorry to ask this b/c i know i can find it somewhere, but what are all of shieks cg? and the percents for them?
Fortress | Sveet
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everyone, 0-infinity.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
Lol @vanz post. I better get to training then but tech chasing d smash seems to slove my dielima atm lol.
I'm so mad when I saw that post the first thing that pops into my head is an integral.
**** school =(
Cia
das kwl
^ it's because you're sooo observant.
Trying to setup SS so SS could pull of a ridiculous combo on him.
/dunno
/dunno
earla
Smash Lord
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pal melee)
1. how do you beat foxes approaching with nair/bair?
2. can you shield grab that dair - shine combo that falco's do? if not, what is the best option to counter that?
3. whats best approach against marth that is spamming fair, d-tilt spaced well?
4. v marth i have serious trouble as soon as im on the edge. i get edge guarded easily even tho i mix up the way i get back on. any tips?
thanks
1. how do you beat foxes approaching with nair/bair?
2. can you shield grab that dair - shine combo that falco's do? if not, what is the best option to counter that?
3. whats best approach against marth that is spamming fair, d-tilt spaced well?
4. v marth i have serious trouble as soon as im on the edge. i get edge guarded easily even tho i mix up the way i get back on. any tips?
thanks
Tero.
Smash Champion
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1. Ftilt. CC Dsmash.
2. You can shieldgrab it before the shine if he does an early dair, that's not that smart tho. Try to Nair OoS after he did the shine. You could also buffer a roll.
3. Approach? spam needles.
4. shino stall and wait for a good opportunity
Although I'm not 100% sure because its PAL. (Though I think the only difference is the move stats/properties.... IIRC)
Adding to Tero's points.
1) CC grab if you can, don't depend too much on ftilt. It can out beat nair but you'll find yourself ftilting air if you continually depend on your ftilt beating nairs.
2) If falco does a high aerial on your shield for the most part shieldgrab it pretty much all the time. Make sure he hits the top of your shield though. Use nair OOS/WD OOS if you feel your opponent may delay his aerial on your shield.
3) Defensive play (Needles) and CC grabs.
Adding to Tero's points.
1) CC grab if you can, don't depend too much on ftilt. It can out beat nair but you'll find yourself ftilting air if you continually depend on your ftilt beating nairs.
2) If falco does a high aerial on your shield for the most part shieldgrab it pretty much all the time. Make sure he hits the top of your shield though. Use nair OOS/WD OOS if you feel your opponent may delay his aerial on your shield.
3) Defensive play (Needles) and CC grabs.
soap
Smash Hero
u can grab marth after a missed fair before the dtilt with good timing and spacing of your dash dance and boost grab.
grabs get u alot more than chip needle damage.
needles are still good though, cuz u dont always have the right spacing to punish it
what r u doing up tec?
happy halloween sheik boards
grabs get u alot more than chip needle damage.
needles are still good though, cuz u dont always have the right spacing to punish it
what r u doing up tec?
happy halloween sheik boards
1) Yes boost grab *****
2) Needles are more than good
3) Moderating you guys so I can be the evil moderator everyone hates because I give out too many points..... ok not really
Oh and Happy Halloween guys ^___^
soap
Smash Hero
i dyed my hair red to be ronald weasley
i saw many skankily dressed hogwarts girls out tonite as well
im sure they do not pass student dress code
i saw many skankily dressed hogwarts girls out tonite as well
im sure they do not pass student dress code
Tero.
Smash Champion
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Don't forget it's PAL.
While this might still apply, it does to a much lesser extent.
soap
Smash Hero
lol pal, i forgot
grab still gives u stage control though
plus if u dont have a bunch of needles, people have a frame advantage on your standing needles even if u hit them making them suck at anything but long range
grab still gives u stage control though
plus if u dont have a bunch of needles, people have a frame advantage on your standing needles even if u hit them making them suck at anything but long range
Cia
das kwl
It's kind of odd.. but i just realized why I keep losing to Falcons. And it was because I never knew you could Ftilt them out of air approaches. Whenever he'd jump, I'd just panic shield right away and get caught in one of his stupid frame traps..
Never again.
Never again.
soap
Smash Hero
falcons always seem to dair over my ftilt
it kinda weird and unfortunate
it kinda weird and unfortunate
Cia
das kwl
I hate falcon sooo much that I instinctively play like a douche bag. Nothing but Needles and massive tech chases. The only thing I had trouble with is keeping Falcon away once he got within range. Now that I know how to kill his aerial approaches, (i've been practicing against a REALLY smart CF) It's a wrap!
soap
Smash Hero
watch out for forward b, that ***** predictable ftilt
i think u can still crouch cancel grab
i think u can still crouch cancel grab
Ryzol_
Smash Apprentice
Is there a way to upB straight up and reverse the way you are facing? How many frames do you need to charge your needles to go from 1 needle -> 2 needles?
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Needle Storm
Holding 1st needle: 8
Set that frame as 1.
Another needle at 19
Set that as 1 (etc)
Releasing B at frame 1 counts with
new needle.
When you release B…
Needles released at 4, 7, 10, 13, 16,
19
Total: 40
When fired from the air…
Needles released at 11, 14, 17, 20,
23, 26
Auto cancels upon landing
Last frame: 39
Needles last 30 frames
I don't think you can reverse the Vanish. You can wall jump or reverse needle cancel, though, before it.
Holding 1st needle: 8
Set that frame as 1.
Another needle at 19
Set that as 1 (etc)
Releasing B at frame 1 counts with
new needle.
When you release B…
Needles released at 4, 7, 10, 13, 16,
19
Total: 40
When fired from the air…
Needles released at 11, 14, 17, 20,
23, 26
Auto cancels upon landing
Last frame: 39
Needles last 30 frames
I don't think you can reverse the Vanish. You can wall jump or reverse needle cancel, though, before it.
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
whats a good way of learning how to nair fast? i mean like nairing out of the SH at the 1st frame possible.
any special methods of learning the timing of it as muscle memory easier?
any special methods of learning the timing of it as muscle memory easier?
Tomacawk
Smash Master
sheik boards
I'm REALLY new to sheik, I picked her up with no practice at a tourny and did great in dubs so I've been working on my singles game with her (i'm a falcon/fox main)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCSpOv2QWfM
what can i work on besides knowing what combos out of dthrow and at what %?
I'm REALLY new to sheik, I picked her up with no practice at a tourny and did great in dubs so I've been working on my singles game with her (i'm a falcon/fox main)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCSpOv2QWfM
what can i work on besides knowing what combos out of dthrow and at what %?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
It's not as broken with Sheik as with other characters, though. *pout*
Tomacawk
Smash Master
dashdancing is best with fox, marth, and falcon. check pc chris videos and m2k, they have incredible dashing.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Everyone has their own style of dash dance, really. PC Chris and M2k's are pretty distinctive, KDJ has a good one, Taj's is like... whoa.
You're going to use it with pretty much every character. It's essentially a near-infinitely variable fake out tactic.
But yeah, Falcon and Marth and Fox probably have the best dash dance games.
You're going to use it with pretty much every character. It's essentially a near-infinitely variable fake out tactic.
But yeah, Falcon and Marth and Fox probably have the best dash dance games.
i like short hopping fair over the dtilt
i guess it can be dangerous to be in the air but i only do it when i know they're gonna dtilt so i get away with it
*shrugs*
Just jump back and fair, or dash dance to grab.
Obviously there are a billion different scenarios and ways to deal with them, but those two are the easiest and quite effective.
Yes, you can. You can also nair out of your shield.
Depends on the Marth, so you'll have to figure it out yourself, but I'd say crouching under his fairs (to nair or ftilt or fair or anything else you can think of) and CCing his dtilts is a good start.
This has nothing to do with Sheik..
I think hax has a really good dd game too.
Sheiks dash is too short
Sheiks dash is too short
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Hard to explain how to use it effectively. It's something that you learn through experience.
One simple way it can be implemented is when tech chasing. Sometimes you'll notice your opponent tends to spotdodge your grabs if they aren't perfectly timed. So, instead of immediately going for a grab, next time he techs, you just dash dance as if you're going to instantly go for the grab, but really you're just waiting for/baiting the spot dodge. When he spot dodges, you grab him out of the dodge's ending animation.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
It's a fakeout tactic and lets you put pressure on them while moving away. Because you're moving away, you're also keeping Sheik's typical ideal spacing (which is when you're kind of far away from them).
It's scary so they sometimes do stupid stuff when you do it. It's very opponent-specific, though. People react differently to it, and it's your job to figure out how they do and use those habits against them. There are some common, similar ones in a lot of people that you'll probably pick up after experimenting with it for a bit.
It's scary so they sometimes do stupid stuff when you do it. It's very opponent-specific, though. People react differently to it, and it's your job to figure out how they do and use those habits against them. There are some common, similar ones in a lot of people that you'll probably pick up after experimenting with it for a bit.
elvenarrow3000
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1. Yes. It's not fully invincible, just mostly.
2. Tying people up. Really though, there are none.
3. Everyone except like Fox.
4. Depends on how gay you're being.
2. Tying people up. Really though, there are none.
3. Everyone except like Fox.
4. Depends on how gay you're being.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
anybody????
elvenarrow3000
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Work the platforms more. Use your needles. Challenging Jigglypuff horizontally probably isn't the healthiest of ideas.
A lot of your dash attacks could be replaced by grabs. They combo better, and you can dthrow to uair, supposedly, for the kill. Or fair. Whichever.
Use spaced bairs on the edge guard instead of nairs. It's just better. Or wall jump fairs. Up to you.
At higher percentages, try jabbing instead of tilting. It pops them up, but not too high.
Your stall looks really high. Is that on purpose? It seems like you'd lose invincibility, but I dunno.
I like the platform work. Really, though, you're overusing the dash attack.
Don't hesitate so much on the grab.
I feel like you could be moving more/using needles to keep Jigglypuff at bay. You're butting heads a lot.
A lot of your dash attacks could be replaced by grabs. They combo better, and you can dthrow to uair, supposedly, for the kill. Or fair. Whichever.
Use spaced bairs on the edge guard instead of nairs. It's just better. Or wall jump fairs. Up to you.
At higher percentages, try jabbing instead of tilting. It pops them up, but not too high.
Your stall looks really high. Is that on purpose? It seems like you'd lose invincibility, but I dunno.
I like the platform work. Really, though, you're overusing the dash attack.
Don't hesitate so much on the grab.
I feel like you could be moving more/using needles to keep Jigglypuff at bay. You're butting heads a lot.