Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[soap]

i dont like the buffer spot dodge, cuz spot dodging is something u need to know exactly when it will happen.

rolls just get u outta there

i still like to use the cstick though so u can crouch cancel and just spot dodge without letting go of down

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yea that's absolutely true. Spot dodging is really something you have to reactively rather than proactively.

I've just been conditioned to do buffer spotdodges by people good at tech chasing.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

i still like to use the cstick though so u can crouch cancel and just spot dodge without letting go of down

Crouch cancel to spot dodge? Odd choice =P

 

[soap]

Crouch cancel to spot dodge? Odd choice =P

its a good choice sometimes if u know u cant downsmash or grab in time and u dont want to just shield and take shieldstun

but i use it more for the fact that if u mistime with the sidestep with the control stick u r just angling your shield down

cstick makes rolls and dodges idiot proof

except sometimes i downsmash or forward smash when i dont want to. there is some weird frame in there that lets u do smashes even if u r holding shield

 

[ArcNatural]

except sometimes i downsmash or forward smash when i dont want to. there is some weird frame in there that lets u do smashes even if u r holding shield

True fact, whenever this happens the Fsmash ALWAYS CONNECTS.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Hm. Interesting.

 

[earla]

which part of falcos side b(phantasm?) can you hit him out of?

 

[TresChikon]

I dunno, but I wait for the ping noise, it's pretty to time a tilt based on the sound.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You can hit him out of any part of it. The hitbox trails behind him, so it's got no priority.

 

[earla]

1. when is short hop nair out of shield effective?

2. when is short hop nair approach effective?

 

[KirbyKaze]

1. During close-range shield pressure when you see you can do it.

2. Nowadays I'm finding it's mostly useful because you can cross up shields with it and get behind someone if you're not sure what they're going to do. It's fast so it'll beat a lot of stuff just off that too. Grab and ranged moves (Fair, Bair, etc) are typically better in a day-to-day situation, though.

 

[ChivalRuse]

A lot of people anticipate a fair, because, well, Sheik is a jumpy fair-spammer. A nice mindgame is to empty SH toward. If they shield, you land, then immediately SH rising nair above their shield. This hits a lot because so many people like to jump out of their shields. If they don't get hit by the nair, you still have time to control where you land.

 

[earla]

sheik boards are where its at. so supportive. cheers for all the help.

FD
watching this clip on fd, amsah (sheik) v masashi (fox).

amsah up -throws masashi fox when masashi's at high percent.

whats amsah trying to set up here?

 

[soap]

True fact, whenever this happens the Fsmash ALWAYS CONNECTS.

u r right

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yea I hate it when I fsmash instead of buffer roll. It does usually hit, though. Not always.

 

[Devil Ray]

sheik boards are where its at. so supportive. cheers for all the help.

FD
watching this clip on fd, amsah (sheik) v masashi (fox).

amsah up -throws masashi fox when masashi's at high percent.

whats amsah trying to set up here?

sometimes they don't DI away, so you can hit them with a f-tilt. but if you di far as possible, the fox will avoid the tilt pretty easily.

but yeah, the up-throw and d-throw have the same tech chasing principles, since sheik can't react out of the upthrow until the animation is done. i like the upthrow cuz it's slower so you can read it a little better.

 

[Nihonjin]

sheik boards are where its at. so supportive. cheers for all the help.

FD
watching this clip on fd, amsah (sheik) v masashi (fox).

amsah up -throws masashi fox when masashi's at high percent.

whats amsah trying to set up here?

Vid & timeframe? :embarrass

 

[stelzig]

What exactly does this "buffer roll" mean? Is it simply easier to roll under shieldpressure with the c-stick?

 

[Tomacawk]

buffering aroll is holding R/L + cstick right/left while you're doing something. Since you're holding it, it "buffers" and performs the roll at the fastest possible available time. it's useful.

 

[KirbyKaze]

When you hear the Shine, immediately press and hold the C-stick left or right. It will produce a roll as soon as possible. You HAVE to wait for the Shine; if you do it after the aerial, you risk being hit through your roll by the Shine.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You can chaingrab spacies at like... 130% or something with the uthrow, can't you? I tried it once, didn't test extensively because... well... at that point, it doesn't really matter.

 

[KirbyKaze]

No you can't.

I tested it extensively in friendlies because I'm gay. It doesn't work. Everything fails on DI behind. If they do in front or no DI you can combo an appropriate tilt though.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

oo;

Wow, that is pretty gay. Well uh... good to know =P

 

[stelzig]

buffering aroll is holding R/L + cstick right/left while you're doing something. Since you're holding it, it "buffers" and performs the roll at the fastest possible available time. it's useful.

I don't quite get why this mechanism works, but good to know thanks

 

[TresChikon]

It's not a buffer per se, holding the C-stick just gives continous inputs so you can roll ASAP.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You can C-stick buffer jumps and spot dodges too.

You should note, though, that if you're not shielded and you want to buffer a roll, it's actually going to be a frame slower, because your shield has to come up first. If you do it with control stick and shield, you can eliminate that one frame.

 

[Lordydennek]

Ok supposedly Sheik is supposed to kill a captain falcon but i am constantly having trouble with that match against a friend of mine. He has an excellent falcon that can shffl and moonwalk and do all that crazy ****. He usually ends up 2 or 3 stocking me every time. I have done everything that is suggested but is there anything more? basically i HAVE to rely on my predictions skills to win. his priority when shffling is crazy. i guess im asking for a few tips to give me an edge.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Often when a poster says their friend can SHFFL and moonwalk, said poster can't WD or SHFFL consistently. Just to clarify, you can do those during matches, fluidly, without needing to think about them right?

 

[Lordydennek]

WD yes SHFFL not so much. Sheiks SH throws me off so much. I used to play Link you see

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You should learn to control your character completely before asking for advice, otherwise if you can't execute the advice, then it's worthless to you.

 

[pockyD]

shffling is mediocre for sheik anyway

It's not a buffer per se, holding the C-stick just gives continous inputs so you can roll ASAP.

that's how we melee players define buffering since apart from that there's no real buffering system (like there is in barlw)

 

[Lordydennek]

You should learn to control your character completely before asking for advice, otherwise if you can't execute the advice, then it's worthless to you.

What a mean thing to say. You giving advice helps me learn the character...DUH. That's kinda the reason they have this forum.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I'm not being mean. I could tell you to short hop needle cancel before you aerial to keep Sheik lower and less susceptible to Falcon's uairs or nairs, but that wouldn't help you if you can't do it.

 

[Lordydennek]

It was said more in a sarcastic tone. I know ur not. I can needle cancel however. Ive tried such an approach. Its good for a fair or grab but this guys tech skill is ridiculous. at times he could be compared to Isai. really i need help on where to DI out of his grabs.and interupting his aerials. ill try the needles some more tho.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Errr... technical Falcon? Okay =P

Short hop reverse needle cancel bair is pretty hot.

Mess with his movement game with your needles. Your nair should eat through most of his aerials, so be ready with that. Tilts are good to use too.

You can crouch cancel his aerials at low percents (uair and nair, anyway) and then get a grab from there.

Mostly what you're looking for is a grab. Once you get that, you can tech chase to victory.

DI away from him for the grabs. Don't be predictable with your techs. When in doubt, tech straight up and buffer a spot dodge or the like.

You could also try some randomly tricky things like... hold your shield against his incoming aerial, then wavedash out of shield under it before he connects, then grab him from behind. I dunno. Lots of options.

Platform camping works too, depending on the stage.

If you manage to trap him, you can harass his shield with a spaced bair, then run in with a grab.

You should make sure your edge guards are flawless, too.

For a good example, watch Mew2king gay up Darkrain. Sheik is gay. If you're not winning, it's because you're not being gay enough.

 

[stelzig]

It's not a buffer per se, holding the C-stick just gives continous inputs so you can roll ASAP.

Yeah i understood it the first time. >_> (thanks though, but the other guy didn't mention anything about doing it faster. He just said the earliest frame)

 

[pockyD]

if your tech skill is way behind his and you're aware of that, that's usually a very important thing to work on at a basic level

 

[Lawrencelot]

Who knows how many frames Sheik's rolls last, forward and back? And in which frames can she be hit?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Roll
Invulnerable 4-19 out of 31

 

[Tomacawk]

lordy, you have to understand that we know a lot more than you. if you cling onto your ego and ignore or make excuses to our advice then it's useless to you just the same if you can't do it. sheik owns falcons. no johns. sheik has INCREDIBLE priority over falcon. no johns. your friend is better than you, and you are making mistakes. accept that before you ask for advice, please