Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[earla]

whats sheik's best secondary in melee pal version?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Urghgh, I knew it was 4 or 7. my bad.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah but if you start buffering rolls every time they hit shield you now have the problem that you're... buffering rolls every time they hit shield =P

 

[KirbyKaze]

Presumably you're not doing it every single time they hit your shield. If they constantly shinegrab, though, it's not like Sheik is without options. You shouldn't want your shield to be hit by space animal, I agree, but it's not like she gets hit automatically if she does. She has options to escape, provided you do a little guesswork or see where they're hitting your shield.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Point conceded.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Sheik's grab range is pretty good. I'm convinced that wavedash backward > grab and pivot grabs are viable ways to reactively counter an approaching Fox. Dsmash and ftilt also have insane priority. With timing, these can intercept even nair. And again, let's not forget simply jumping and FFing fair.

If you absolutely have to shield - well, Sheik has a big shield. She should be able to wait and weather any average amount of shield pressure.

 

[nicaboy]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Tero..

No point in arguing over something you have no way of proving, especially when you'll find out the answer soon enough.

If I place bad at pound, they were right. If I place good, you were right. That's all there is to it..=]

you dont mind the change from pal to NTSC?

 

[Nihonjin]

you dont mind the change from pal to NTSC?

The only thing I was having...well..not even sure if I should call it 'trouble' with..was Fox's extended UpB.

Other than that, for a Sheik it's the same game..but much much easier..

 

[Teczer0]

The only thing I was having...well..not even sure if I should call it 'trouble' with..was Fox's extended UpB.

Other than that, for a Sheik it's the same game..but much much easier..

Hey now!...

Its a LOT harder now that you can CG half the cast

.... wait......

I doubt you'll have THAT much trouble with that btw .

 

[SonuvaBeach]

Hey now!...

Its a LOT harder now that you can CG half the cast

.... wait......

I doubt you'll have THAT much trouble with that btw .

Yeah. As if Sheik's **** on the low and mid tiers wasn't enough, if you do end up behind or losing to a low tier you can just CG and ta da, you win.

I am way to excited to see Amsah's NTSC sheik at Pound.

 

[Kira-]

The only thing I was having...well..not even sure if I should call it 'trouble' with..was Fox's extended UpB.

Other than that, for a Sheik it's the same game..but much much easier..

really? you don't think fox's stronger Upsmash or marth's spike or falco's dair makes it more difficult at all? i mean it's not like you can cg any of those characters lol

for floaties i can see that though

 

[elvenarrow3000]

What is this "half the cast" business? She can only chainthrow like... eleven characters, by my count.

 

[SonuvaBeach]

What is this "half the cast" business? She can only chainthrow like... eleven characters, by my count.

Eh. It's close to half. If she doesn't CG them they just get ***** by her grab nonetheless and that's whats important

 

[KirbyKaze]

What is this "half the cast" business? She can only chainthrow like... eleven characters, by my count.

11 and 13 aren't exactly miles apart.

 

[R3N0]

actually 11 + 13 are like leaps and bounds and several kilometers and the etc.etcv.

i dunno im babbling on and on and on.

I WISH I HAD A LIFE :-x

 

[elvenarrow3000]

No, but every time Sheik's chaingrab comes up, "half the cast" is sure to follow, and it kinda bugs me =P

 

[ChivalRuse]

Haha. "The cast" makes it sound like Melee is a musical or something.

 

[Teczer0]

No, but every time Sheik's chaingrab comes up, "half the cast" is sure to follow, and it kinda bugs me =P

The only thing I was having...well..not even sure if I should call it 'trouble' with..was Fox's extended UpB.

Other than that, for a Sheik it's the same game..but much much easier..

Hey now!...

Its a LOT harder now that you can CG 42.30767% of the cast

.... wait......

I doubt you'll have THAT much trouble with that btw .

Better?

 

[soap]

i hate musicals

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I'd post a rainbow heart, but it doesn't work very well 'cause it's only two characters. So I'm substituting this explanation instead.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I take back what I said about pivot grabbing Fox's approach. Sheik's initial dash animation covers like no distance, which is why her dash dance sucks. Therefore her pivoted moves also suck. >_>

 

[Brookman]

pivoting is PRO.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I still haven't figured out what to do with pivoting. Other than like grabs. It just doesn't seem all that... awesome to me.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

With sheik anyway.

Because her dash animation is so short it's better to just WD back and do what you wanted to do.

 

[Nihonjin]

really? you don't think fox's stronger Upsmash

Usually an upsmash hits from a combo or edgeguard that would've (eventually) killed me in PAL as well, so it doesn't really matter to me.

Maybe sometimes I die a little bit earlier, but to compensate, I can techchase a lot easier from a Dthrow.

The only thing that annoys me is the recovery, Fox is a little harder to gimp now. =]

or marth's spike

I don't even fear NTSC Marth with a PAL Sheik, let alone with a guaranteed setup, CGs and a killing Uair.

or falco's dair makes it more difficult at all?

Falco's dair doesn't change much and like with Fox, it's easier to techchase him now..

So like I said, I don't really have to adapt, overall things just became much much easier. (Especially against Peach, Jiggs & Marth)

I still haven't figured out what to do with pivoting. Other than like grabs. It just doesn't seem all that... awesome to me.

Pivot Ftilt with the tip of your toe :embarrass

 

[ChivalRuse]

I don't even fear NTSC Marth with a PAL Sheik, let alone with a guaranteed setup, CGs and a killing Uair.

Sheik's uair is bad in PAL? That blows.

 

[KirbyKaze]

If Melee was a story I think Sheik would be the villain. Not the true dastardly overseer, mind you, but definitely one of the prevalent villains.

Pivot F-tilt is legit if you can do it consistently.

Sheik's Uair in PAL is arguably better for combos.

 

[Nihonjin]

Sheik's uair is bad in PAL? That blows.

It combo's rather than killing..=/

Pivot F-tilt is legit if you can do it consistently.

I could...then my controller died..now I can't anymore.

 

[greenlink]

Just for everyones information, the PAL tier list is a bit of a joke and hasn't been updated for a stupid amount of time, not since 2005 or something (maybe an overstatement.) Also the most annoying thing about PAL dthrow is that i see NSTC sheiks doing **** things to Marth and Cfalcon and I can only land dthrow->dashattack on marth, ftilt if they DI bad. Also on Falcon if they DI right and tech away it is impossible to follow up at low % (sometimes you can hit a dash attack though, which I'm thankful for when they hit)

 

[KirbyKaze]

I feel bad for Amsah

NTSC Sheik's D-throw is beautiful. You can do so many stupid, stupid things with it. If Falcon doesn't DI away you can just combo him. If Marth DIs away you can chain grab him. On a bunch of characters it's like an automatic 30%+

It's wonderful ^.^

 

[ChivalRuse]

Also on Falcon if they DI right and tech away it is impossible to follow up at low % (sometimes you can hit a dash attack though, which I'm thankful for when they hit)

Falcon can CC grab Sheik if she dash attack tech chases him below like 55%.

 

[soap]

how did the developers know to fix her dthrow?

i thought they were noobs

 

[Tero.]

how did the developers know to fix her dthrow?

i thought they were noobs

Nah man, that's the Brawl developers you're talking about.

 

[nicaboy]

The only thing I was having...well..not even sure if I should call it 'trouble' with..was Fox's extended UpB.

Other than that, for a Sheik it's the same game..but much much easier..

O ok well I hope you do well.

Btw I cant really say between pal or NTSC sheik who has the better u air I guess it depends on the situation. I have landed in NTSC up air to f air pretty often though. Really good stuff

 

[Tero.]

NTSC Uair is better.
Especially in combination with NTSC dthrow.

 

[Nihonjin]

I feel bad for Amsah

Why? I don't.

O ok well I hope you do well.

I'll try my best..:embarrass

Btw I cant really say between pal or NTSC sheik who has the better u air I guess it depends on the situation. I have landed in NTSC up air to f air pretty often though. Really good stuff

NTSC's up air is far better. Using the weakhit it can still combo pretty well and it can kill at high percentages.

 

[ChivalRuse]

They are noobs, silly. They doesn't mean they don't know what gay means. ^_^

 

[Kira-]

Kira's Sheik Video thread

sorry it took so long

i hope you guys watch it lol

 

[soap]

i will watch them cuz i don't roll on shabbos either

 

[Devil Ray]

NTSC Uair is better.
Especially in combination with NTSC dthrow.

see, i think upair is a perfect example of how sheik is semi-strong, but not overpowered.

a lot of her moves have solid knockback, but she's definitely not that strong. you can see this especially when you play peach. she just cc's everything you got.