ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Edit: actually, I don't know enough about either side to give a good opinion on this. I haven't fought enough Sheiks.
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
ICs still has to know what he's doing. You can't just pick them up and expect to beat seasoned Sheiks. It's a lot harder than that, but still a good match-up for ICs if played correctly and well.
I agree with everything said here. A lot of Sheik's "bad matchups" involve camping ridiculously and it's not fun at all... unless you're M2k (or you just have to be a better player overall/play better than your opponent, etc).
nicaboy
Smash Champion
its ics favor but i dont think its that bad. 60 -40. when is just popo its sheik favor. When its both of them(which is generally gonna be alot) its hard since she doesn't separate them very well.
also the only match ups which i feel sheik is at a disadvantage is fox and ice climbers.
also the only match ups which i feel sheik is at a disadvantage is fox and ice climbers.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I just go Peach.
FC Fair
FC Nair
Dair Nair
Dair Uair
FC Bair
D-smash
Jab sometimes
Grab sometimes to setup edgeguard
It's all good baby
Turnips when they try to camp back and to make Fair approach safer
FC Fair
FC Nair
Dair Nair
Dair Uair
FC Bair
D-smash
Jab sometimes
Grab sometimes to setup edgeguard
It's all good baby
Turnips when they try to camp back and to make Fair approach safer
soap
Smash Hero
i suck at that character
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Just learn how to float cancel. She's mad easy. I picked her up myself for the ics matchup. And very quickly learned her. (note: I didnt say perfect her)
Offtopic- sazh sucks. lol.
Offtopic- sazh sucks. lol.
What ice climber players do you play with? Do you play with UberIce/any good icies? The only Ice Climber players I've run into have been KyuPuff, IronChief, and ChuDat. ChuDat was near impossible to even think about beating.... I think if I had camped the ledge for a 24 minute set I MIGHT have had a shot at beating him (Pound 4 3rd round pools).
All in all, I would've really liked to have seen Amsah vs ChuDat at Pound...
Amsah, do a money match with Chu at Apex! :D
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
And Jiggs ... ? Lol.
For ICs, Sheik basically has to camp needles and use the platforms for safe fairs and bairs until she damages them to 60% or so. Then tilting becomes viable, and dsmashing becomes worthwhile. Once she separates them, Nana is at her mercy, and Popo can be edgeguarded easily with successive slaps until he's no more.
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
counter-pick with peach after and take the set
edit: i will say that i thoroughly that icies are even rare than sheiks however.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
i played chu and uber ice but they are no where near the same level of skill. Although uber beat me in a couple of more matches i can feel the disadvantage in the match up. He is very good though he beat chops like 2 months before i played him or something like that. I played chu but again that was when i mained peach. Spawn im sure you could have beaten chu if you tried a lil harder
you ask the sheik boards my opinion on the match lol
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Nicaboy the Jiggs slayer? That would be a cool title. 
nicaboy
Smash Champion
lmao love chival ruse
too bad the title wont be true
too bad the title wont be true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd5bTBPkoAA
this is how me vs chu always goes. its close, and i outplay him SO hard cuz im just way better, then he gets some gay IC vs sheik ****
this is how me vs chu always goes. its close, and i outplay him SO hard cuz im just way better, then he gets some gay IC vs sheik ****
soap
Smash Hero
how do u explain losing money matches to his pichu?
that was like three years ago, im sure that doesn't happen anymore lol
that was like three years ago, im sure that doesn't happen anymore lol
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yo, Plank, you going to that Graphix tournament thing this weekend? If so, I demand friendlies against your Sheik!
unknown522
Some guy
my god. Sheik's death tech chase on FFers is so ridiculously easy.......
I'm trying to make sheik my serious secondary.
Anyone have tips on approaching falco/falcon? Or making them approach me? I'm sorry, this has probably been asked many times by other people.
I'm trying to make sheik my serious secondary.
Anyone have tips on approaching falco/falcon? Or making them approach me? I'm sorry, this has probably been asked many times by other people.
I wish it was easy for me =(
Against falcon throw needles.. can't do much to approach cause of his dashdance so get him to nair you. Throw out short hop fair > ftilt > cc grab
Against Falco, dash attack under lasers, short hop nair over lasers. If he shoots on the ground, go on a platform and charge needles, he'll either approach or shoot lasers on a platform. If he approaches, just fall off slap, or angled needle to fall off slap (m2k style), if he lasers go on the ground and run underneath him.
If you space short hop slap on Falco's shield he can't do anything about it except roll or wd back after you do ftilt on his shield. just do basic mixups until you get a grab or he gets knocked on the ground
I suck at tech chasing on reaction.
unknown522
Some guy
thanks a lot. I'll work on that for now. I'll also post vids once I get near some recording equipment (or record tmrw since I'm at a smash fest).
But yeah, practice the tech chasing. It took me less than a week to do it with %50 consistency. What I do is assume that they will tech in place/not tech. If they do, then there is like a .5 second window to react with a boost grab/dash attack/f-tilt. If they don't tech, then I f-tilt if it's not stale, or shield if they are getting up in place/get up attack, to grab them. The only way they're getting out, is if I screw up, or if they edge-cancel or something. I kind of have trouble landing the initial grab though. Kirbykaze is incredibly gay with sheik/tech-chasing, when he wants to be.
Any more tips will be appreciated.
But yeah, practice the tech chasing. It took me less than a week to do it with %50 consistency. What I do is assume that they will tech in place/not tech. If they do, then there is like a .5 second window to react with a boost grab/dash attack/f-tilt. If they don't tech, then I f-tilt if it's not stale, or shield if they are getting up in place/get up attack, to grab them. The only way they're getting out, is if I screw up, or if they edge-cancel or something. I kind of have trouble landing the initial grab though. Kirbykaze is incredibly gay with sheik/tech-chasing, when he wants to be.
Any more tips will be appreciated.
soap
Smash Hero
david looks so happy in that drawing
unknown522
Some guy
he looks like a villain. lol
Mew2King
King of the Mews
............
i dunno how you can consider that outplaying him
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You didn't respond to me, dude! Whatever, I'll go be miserable somewhere.
Falling down from Fox's shine?
I've had it a couple of times now with different characters (that normally don't fall over), does anyone know how it works..? (or even what I'm talking about) :embarrass
I've had it a couple of times now with different characters (that normally don't fall over), does anyone know how it works..? (or even what I'm talking about) :embarrass
I've been too lazy to search so bear with me if it's already been explained somewhere.
pockyD
Smash Legend
any more details on how it happens?
the only thing i can think of off the top of my head is putting your shield up as you slide off a platform, which puts you in tumble
the only thing i can think of off the top of my head is putting your shield up as you slide off a platform, which puts you in tumble
It's just a regular shine when standing up, but instead of sliding backwards like Sheik usually does, I fell over like a spacey. It happened in the middle of FD..lol
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You were probably charging a smash attack accidentally. If you're Shined out of a smash attack charge you will fall down.
I would assume that it's difficult landing the first grab because you're always looking for it and your opponent has either consciously or subconsciously adjusted his game to not get grabbed. Of course I'd have no way of actually knowing that but it's just a guess.
Also if I understand you correctly then you tech chase strangely. If they DI the throw away do you just stand there and not get closer? What if it's a Falco rolling away.. I'm pretty sure you can't react to his roll away and get there in time cause his roll is better.. anyway I just guess when I tech chase so if you can do it better then more power to you
How do you know these things? Also I was thinking of a tactic where you jump out of shield against Fox's shine pressure so that when you get shined you have no stun when hitting the ground and can grab/uptilt/dsmash but I'm thinking it might not work cause nair shine is too fast
KK is my favorite Sheik of the month =D
unknown522
Some guy
haha, you know me already. Yeah, I'm way to obvious with my grab attempts. I also like to PS falcon's n-air and grab them. It feels so satisfying.
when I throw them, I walk/WD to where they are landing. Close enough so that I will be able to shield-grab their get up attack. If they tech roll away, it feels like there is a lot of time to react to the roll.
I'm pretty sure it happens when you get shined out of certain frames of your grab as well.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
the falcon boards just got done discussing this exact concept and the results were pretty meh.
in practice, you can perform the jump out of sheild and intentionally getting shined no problem. The difficulty they (the falcons) found was that even though you land with no stun, its pushes you too far to get anything productive, and a quick fox will just react and punish quickly
sheik might have different results cuz she has faster tilts/ground game and a better grab range. try though and see what happens.
unknown522
Some guy
Kirbykaze ***** falcon when he wants to....
The reason I asked if you had played uberice is because i wanted to know what kind of skilled players you've played that play icies. I didn't know if you had played him/chu... until now haha. I know how good he is. He got like 17th at Genesis. I had to research him because I thought he was in my pool for Pound 4.i played chu and uber ice but they are no where near the same level of skill. Although uber beat me in a couple of more matches i can feel the disadvantage in the match up. He is very good though he beat chops like 2 months before i played him or something like that. I played chu but again that was when i mained peach. Spawn im sure you could have beaten chu if you tried a lil harder
you ask the sheik boards my opinion on the match lol
Alright, next time I play Chu (AT A MAJOR ONLY) I will camp his balls off and play a 24 minute set with him no matter what the crowd/any other person says. I can't wait for this. Someone quote me on this so if I run into him in pools/bracket and beat him because I play a 24 minute set it'd be ****ing hilariously awesome. xD
I really like this idea about jumping OOS after he's shield ****** you since you don't want your shield breaking. I didn't even think of that. Such a great tactic. I wish it was good vs Falco... but it'd get you ***** so bad lol.
spawn be honorable
gawd****it
gawd****it
LMFAO
I saw this, tried to remember my match with Marc.
Then just loled