Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[nicaboy]

KK is my favorite Sheik of the month =D

give me a month and i will apply for amsah's favorite sheik of the month award.
Congrats Kirby kaze

The reason I asked if you had played uberice is because i wanted to know what kind of skilled players you've played that play icies. I didn't know if you had played him/chu... until now haha. I know how good he is. He got like 17th at Genesis. I had to research him because I thought he was in my pool for Pound 4.

Alright, next time I play Chu (AT A MAJOR ONLY) I will camp his balls off and play a 24 minute set with him no matter what the crowd/any other person says. I can't wait for this. Someone quote me on this so if I run into him in pools/bracket and beat him because I play a 24 minute set it'd be ****ing hilariously awesome. xD



I really like this idea about jumping OOS after he's shield ****** you since you don't want your shield breaking. I didn't even think of that. Such a great tactic. I wish it was good vs Falco... but it'd get you ***** so bad lol.

You gotta do what you gotta do to win. There is nothing wrong about playing to win

 

[ChivalRuse]

But seriously ... a 24-minute set? This ain't Brawl ...

 

[soap]

the falcon boards just got done discussing this exact concept and the results were pretty meh.

in practice, you can perform the jump out of sheild and intentionally getting shined no problem. The difficulty they (the falcons) found was that even though you land with no stun, its pushes you too far to get anything productive, and a quick fox will just react and punish quickly

sheik might have different results cuz she has faster tilts/ground game and a better grab range. try though and see what happens.

i've done this with dsmash pretty effectively actually.

i wasn't intentionally trying to get shined though, that just happened.

i don't like taking damage though. i suppose it would be worth it for a grab, but they will eventually adapt and what not

 

[Kira-]

You have to win a match for it to go to 24 minutes.

 

[Plairnkk]

sry joe, its cuz im not going. i have to work lol

 

[ChivalRuse]

Kk. Appreciate you responding.

 

[nicaboy]

But seriously ... a 24-minute set? This ain't Brawl ...

i do it for 2400 dollars son.(first place for mlg orlando brawl) but if it was melee i run like i never ran before.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Wasn't the difference between 1st and 2nd like 1k or something ridiculous?

 

[SPAWN]

LMFAO

I saw this, tried to remember my match with Marc.

Then just loled

I've never vs'd someone that good vs shino stalling lol.

You have to win a match for it to go to 24 minutes.

I was accounting for the worst. To be honest, I hope I lose so I can get proven wrong about how Sheik could play to beat Icies. The reality of it is Chu's a better player than me. He also knows some gimmicky tricks... why would I hold back on my gimmicky tricks if he's not going to hold back on his?

I want to set an example for ice climber players to not go icies against me or else I will be a huge ******.
Edit: Unless I decide I feel like actually taking the time to learn the matchup. xD

 

[Teczer0]

Yea I tried finding new ways to go against stalling.

It helps that a lot of new players that are intimidated tend to stall because they feel like they have to.

Not saying I'm amazing but, yea

 

[Kira-]

What gimmicky tricks? Other than chaingrabs I don't see him doing anything out of the ordinary

 

[SPAWN]

What gimmicky tricks? Other than chaingrabs I don't see him doing anything out of the ordinary

I summon Plairnkk to answer this question since he knows Chu better than anybody lol.

 

[Tope]

ive played chu a lot too


chu's style is...... wait and also he's a notorious sandbagger!


i think by gimmicky he means he plays icies

 

[SonuvaBeach]

What gimmicky tricks? Other than chaingrabs I don't see him doing anything out of the ordinary

I concur. Most of the time plank got grabbed it was because he mis spaced his move (falling uairs) and then chu grabbed him. I think gimmicky just entails gay normal IC stuff.

It is just an extremely hard matchup because of spacing/perfection reasons. The IC's have room to make mistakes and still come out on top if they capitalize on yours. That isn't really the case with sheik.

 

[SPAWN]

I was just using Plank's word when he said gimmicky or something (hence the summoning of him so he could explain further about why he thinks he's gimmicky).

Really though it's just Icies are janky... but so is Sheik... I'm just upset how other characters aside from my mains are good vs my characters. xD

 

[unknown522]

gimmicks suck vs good players.

 

[KirbyKaze]

How do you know these things? Also I was thinking of a tactic where you jump out of shield against Fox's shine pressure so that when you get shined you have no stun when hitting the ground and can grab/uptilt/dsmash but I'm thinking it might not work cause nair shine is too fast

People say things and I remember them.

Nair Shine at any given time has like 15 frames of hey what's up no shield stun to screw around with. Your jump takes 3 to come out. So yeah, you have time to do it.

I'm pretty sure it happens when you get shined out of certain frames of your grab as well.

Show me?

Kirbykaze ***** falcon when he wants to....

I'm awful against that character.

What gimmicky tricks? Other than chaingrabs I don't see him doing anything out of the ordinary

Chu's style is very basic.

I summon Plairnkk to answer this question since he knows Chu better than anybody lol.

Azen.

i think by gimmicky he means he plays icies

Grow a beard.

I concur. Most of the time plank got grabbed it was because he mis spaced his move (falling uairs) and then chu grabbed him. I think gimmicky just entails gay normal IC stuff.

It is just an extremely hard matchup because of spacing/perfection reasons. The IC's have room to make mistakes and still come out on top if they capitalize on yours. That isn't really the case with sheik.

gimmicks suck vs good players.

Probably, but they make for amusing matches.

I was just using Plank's word when he said gimmicky or something (hence the summoning of him so he could explain further about why he thinks he's gimmicky).

Really though it's just Icies are janky... but so is Sheik... I'm just upset how other characters aside from my mains are good vs my characters. xD

Sheik is 100% bacon. Bacon is in no way jank.

give me a month and i will apply for amsah's favorite sheik of the month award.

Wait I wasn't supposed to put this here

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

lol monster post by kk.

Really though it's just Icies are janky... but so is Sheik

yea but...
sheik is a pretty cool guy. she is fast with great hitboxes and doesn't afraid anything

 

[TLMSheikant]

lol monster post by kk.


yea but...
sheik is a pretty cool guy. she is fast with great hitboxes and doesn't afraid anything

WHAT. A guy and a she at the same time. lolsheik.

 

[SPAWN]

Sheik is a hermaphrodite in case people didn't know.

Also, unknown, gimmicky tricks work on good players... just not some of them.

 

[Lawrencelot]

I think a lot of gimmicky tricks work on good players... they just don't work more than once

 

[Kira-]

KK's post was awesome. Quote walls and truth ftw

Sheik is 100% bacon. Bacon is in no way jank.

LOL wtf

 

[Zoler]

Asked this in the social thread but no answers so I'll repost it here:


Isn't it better to always techchase with regrab? I mean because it's the safest and easiest one. This is PAL I'm talking about too remember so would be awesome if Amsah could give me his opinion in this matter. I'm feeling that at least in PAL to techchase with lets say upsmash you have to guess, with regrab you can do it on reaction which makes me think to play perfectly safe and optimal you should always regrab.

 

[SPAWN]

Asked this in the social thread but no answers so I'll repost it here:


Isn't it better to always techchase with regrab? I mean because it's the safest and easiest one. This is PAL I'm talking about too remember so would be awesome if Amsah could give me his opinion in this matter. I'm feeling that at least in PAL to techchase with lets say upsmash you have to guess, with regrab you can do it on reaction which makes me think to play perfectly safe and optimal you should always regrab.

Yes, most people just don't have the reaction speed to do it. What might be easy for you to do might be hard for others. I suck at tech chasing lol.

KirbyKaze, M2K, and Amsah are all amazing at techchasing.

 

[Nihonjin]

Asked this in the social thread but no answers so I'll repost it here:


Isn't it better to always techchase with regrab? I mean because it's the safest and easiest one. This is PAL I'm talking about too remember so would be awesome if Amsah could give me his opinion in this matter. I'm feeling that at least in PAL to techchase with lets say upsmash you have to guess, with regrab you can do it on reaction which makes me think to play perfectly safe and optimal you should always regrab.

There is no 'best' option.
How you follow up on techs depends on your opponents character, percentage, position on stage and what you think your opponents DI will be and probably other things I can't remember right now.

Grabbing is good at low percentages against fast fallers though, because they can't CC it and it leads to new tech chasing opportunities.

 

[Kaffei]

How do I slap peach

 

[Spife]

well, first, you gotta jump into the air, BUT YOU'RE NOT DONE YET! You see that little yellow nub? Well you gotta push that in peaches direction BEFORE YOU LAND!!! It's hard, I can do it about 50% of the time. Oh! And make sure peach is within range otherwise you'll miss and get laughed at.
Any other vague questions?

 

[Kaffei]

LLOLOOL. Everytime I do that I get naired

also you forgot to say L cancel! how could you

 

[SPAWN]

LLOLOOL. Everytime I do that I get naired

also you forgot to say L cancel! how could you

To be fair, you only asked about fairing. You don't need to lcancel her fair if you autocancel. You asked like the worst possible question (or at least in vagueness).

Give us a specific example when you get naired out. Almost everything in this game is situational and there is no precise answer for anything.

 

[Kaffei]

To be fair, you only asked about fairing. You don't need to lcancel her fair if you autocancel. You asked like the worst possible question (or at least in vagueness).

Give us a specific example when you get naired out. Almost everything in this game is situational and there is no precise answer for anything.

Alright alright.
I'm next to peach and I jump up to fair her but she nairs me. then i cry

 

[SPAWN]

So she's putting her move out before yours and for some reason you're getting hit?

;P

Sorry, I probably shouldn't be on the boards today. I feel like being a **** so I'll just stop posting for a bit haha. Just keep in mind I'm joking with you.

 

[soap]

u gotta space

basically

 

[Kira-]

well, first, you gotta jump into the air, BUT YOU'RE NOT DONE YET! You see that little yellow nub? Well you gotta push that in peaches direction BEFORE YOU LAND!!! It's hard, I can do it about 50% of the time. Oh! And make sure peach is within range otherwise you'll miss and get laughed at.
Any other vague questions?

LOL

Most Peaches like to float. So just slap them when you think they're gonna float.

Other than that, place a fair where you think they are going to be in the next half second.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yo spawn was right, tht q was dumb

yu just have to fair her before she nairs. common sense

<3 u lenny

 

[TLMSheikant]

1. Fair before she nairs.

2. Space ur friggin fair.

That is all.

 

[nicaboy]

Sheik is a hermaphrodite in case people didn't know.

Also, unknown, gimmicky tricks work on good players... just not some of them.

no she isnt she is female. Maining sheik made me like her more as a character outside of smash.

In ocrina of time the fish princess(i think her name was ruto or something) refered to sheik as a male while sheik is in fact female.

 

[Kaffei]

Lmao. okay thanks.

Another question!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QILgpiojn8w 0:45 When M2K does his Shino Stall how come he goes out so far but when most people do it they just stay linear? How does M2K do that

 

[Plairnkk]

it works just the same. basically moving it out like that will move your flame hitboxes outwards. in that situation it was impractical as it probably is as a whole, but you could perhaps want ur hitboxes out a little more, i guess if somebody was recovering and u wanted to hit them or something. i think it just makes it a bit slower and moves ur hitboxes to outside of the stage which is generally not what you want to do, you want to hit people coming at you from the stage

 

[Kaffei]

it works just the same. basically moving it out like that will move your flame hitboxes outwards. in that situation it was impractical as it probably is as a whole, but you could perhaps want ur hitboxes out a little more, i guess if somebody was recovering and u wanted to hit them or something. i think it just makes it a bit slower and moves ur hitboxes to outside of the stage which is generally not what you want to do, you want to hit people coming at you from the stage

I know, lol. I just want to do it because I think it looks cool. So how can I do it specifically?

 

[Plairnkk]

that match as a whole, though was amazing. m2k did some really quick **** that i could never really pull out in a tourney. /takes notes