and she only did this cuz sheik appeared to be a male. ruto didn't actually know her.
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
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Kaffei
Smash Hero
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His fingers move way too fast.I wish my Sheik could do the technical things that M2k does in tournament.I have so much more work to practice lol.
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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That, but I still think his fingers move secretly faster than everyone else's.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I claw a lot of stuff...
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If I won Apex by some miracle I'd spend some of the money on pants.
Because I like pants.
Because I like pants.
soap
Smash Hero
just aim your first half of upb back.
i didn't see anything too crazy in that match (technically wise...watching kels get 4 stocked was impressive), that nair to walljump needle turn was nice. I usually die when i nair off yoshis
I watched that like 12 times. If you noticed he also only waited around camping Kels. He shieldgrabbed a Fox that is able to nair shine perfectly... you have like 5 frame margin of error. If that isn't technical/most experienced thing ever, I don't know what is. Shieldgrabbing Fox/Falco is ridiculously hard.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You can sort of judge if it's doable by how early they start their aerial. Still risky against a good space animal like Kels though.
I'm not saying that it's impossible. I'm just saying it's ****ed hard to do and takes a lot of experience ****ing it up.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Of course, of course. My second sentence leaned toward agreement.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Just **** them with your ****** power.
Cherry-picking a whole stock for a small mistake is also recommended.
Cherry-picking a whole stock for a small mistake is also recommended.
Chival- I assumed so, but I had to be sure.
KK- It is highly recommended to practice it even if you continue to get *****, I agree. If you can get shieldgrabbing a spacie down, then you're basically going to be the best Sheik in the universe eventually (there's more stuff to get down than shield grabbing spacies but it's heavily in your favor if you can get that down).
Also, if you look at that match, M2K played it like, pretty much perfectly while still allowing for him to do techy ****.
KK- It is highly recommended to practice it even if you continue to get *****, I agree. If you can get shieldgrabbing a spacie down, then you're basically going to be the best Sheik in the universe eventually (there's more stuff to get down than shield grabbing spacies but it's heavily in your favor if you can get that down).
Also, if you look at that match, M2K played it like, pretty much perfectly while still allowing for him to do techy ****.
soap
Smash Hero
are u saying kels nair shined perfectly and m2k grabbed him? I think it's more like m2k is a better player than kels and kels ****ed up stuff he normally is better at cuz he was intimidated.
I need to rewatch the match first but i thought late nair to shine was impossible to grab. right?
Kaffei
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Well, he grabbed it vs Lucky too, so idk
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
idk why they don't just shine grab him at the edge and hurl him offstage if he's blatantly standing there waiting for the high aerial / missed l-cancel / other thing.
soap
Smash Hero
m2k grabbd lucky's nair after he did late nair, shine, early nair and didn't DI back far enough
Kaffei
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Oh, my bad.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
They should really consider grabbing the shielding person. It's pretty good.
LooksLikePit
Smash Ace
Stop telling people how to fight sheik/think logically
Kaffei
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what the **** are you
nicaboy
Smash Champion
he is a monster trust me i know
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I wanna squeeze it XD
soap
Smash Hero
Rykard
Smash Ace
Hey guys i have a quick question about this match here between darkrain and m2k: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vphTto5RzLc#t=0m33s
At the time i linked, you can see that m2k repeatedly fairs darkrain over the stage as a way of continuing his edgeguarding. During this series of events, there are many times where darkrain lands pretty close to the edge on the stage and here is where my idea came. Would it have been possible for m2k to ledgehop, reverse needle cancel, and then fair him back off the stage in the direction darkrain came from rather than hitting him in the direction he did and chasing him all over the stage? I'm not sure about the landing lag on falcons up-b, but to me, this seems like something that should be done to punish characters who are forced to up-b on to the stage because you are edgehogging. part of me thinks this wouldn't be fast enough as they would either be able to buffer a roll/spot dodge or get their sheild up fast enough to block it, but if it would work, i feel like this would be really effective way of edgeguarding marth, falcon, sheik, and maybe other characters that have exploitable landing lag on their up-bs
At the time i linked, you can see that m2k repeatedly fairs darkrain over the stage as a way of continuing his edgeguarding. During this series of events, there are many times where darkrain lands pretty close to the edge on the stage and here is where my idea came. Would it have been possible for m2k to ledgehop, reverse needle cancel, and then fair him back off the stage in the direction darkrain came from rather than hitting him in the direction he did and chasing him all over the stage? I'm not sure about the landing lag on falcons up-b, but to me, this seems like something that should be done to punish characters who are forced to up-b on to the stage because you are edgehogging. part of me thinks this wouldn't be fast enough as they would either be able to buffer a roll/spot dodge or get their sheild up fast enough to block it, but if it would work, i feel like this would be really effective way of edgeguarding marth, falcon, sheik, and maybe other characters that have exploitable landing lag on their up-bs
I'm not 100% sure on doing that without people able to shield.
You could also do a reverse nair from ledgehop if you want, it has pretty good knockback if you throw it out late and its much easier to execute.
You could also do a reverse nair from ledgehop if you want, it has pretty good knockback if you throw it out late and its much easier to execute.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
soap
Smash Hero
thats what i was thinking too...
can u buffer sidestep shinegrab? as in late nair, shine, grab. can u dodge that grab?
Vts
Smash Champion
has anyone tried messing around with sheik to do a ledge cancel from an up-b wall jump from yoshi's story?
i've done it 2 times now when it hit the platform just right and i can do anything.
wondering if anyone else has tried these little tricks before or knows how to do it more consistently than me.
(working on other maps to see if it could be useful right now but failing lol)
i've done it 2 times now when it hit the platform just right and i can do anything.
wondering if anyone else has tried these little tricks before or knows how to do it more consistently than me.
(working on other maps to see if it could be useful right now but failing lol)
LooksLikePit
Smash Ace
wait, are you saying that you can edge cancel the lag with a platform?
Vts
Smash Champion
yeah talking to amsah right now to see if he can do it or not.
pretty cool trick.
done it a few more times already and going to make a video of it either tomorrow or next week of me doing techskill with sheik lol
Devil Ray
Smash Lord
i'm a little late to the party, but kels is pretty good against sheik. he says he sucks against sheik bc of m2k, but he's good. someone here beat him and show me some tips. <3 kels
nicaboy
Smash Champion
nice try kk
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one working on those kinds of things... I highly doubt M2k or Amsah are working on it because they're too facking good.
I did the upb edgecancelling 5 times in a row on yoshis a few weeks ago. I need my Action Replay back so I can learn the exact timing for it and how much you need to move while in the actual upb movement animation. Once I get that down, I'll MAYBE make a video, probably not though because I'm selfish and a jerk. ;P
Also, did you guys know that you can go completely horizontally up with Sheik's upb; then turn around? Try it out, it took me like 10 minutes to recreate what I did on accident. It's really ****ing useful/cool if you can do it perfectly consistent.
GAWD I NEED MY ****ING ACTION REPLAY BACK **** ITTTT!!!!!!!!!
Vts, if you make that tech skill video, I would be very happy. I haven't seen a Sheik tech skill video (aside from watching vids of pros) since soap's tech skill video which was like 2 years ago. xD
soap
Smash Hero
i could never get that upb edgecancelling. I dont think ive ever done it once without wind
im interested to see this
yo spawn i also made that japes video. that **** was a classic lol. only like 100 people watched it tho
im interested to see this
yo spawn i also made that japes video. that **** was a classic lol. only like 100 people watched it tho